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#lfn-meeting: tac
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Meeting started by dfarrell07 at 13:59:13 UTC.  The full logs are
available at
http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/lfn-meeting/2018/lfn-meeting.2018-06-06-13.59.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Daniel Farrell  (dfarrell07, 13:59:42)
* Tim Irnich  (timirnich, 14:00:10)
* Xiaojun Xie  (Xiaojun, 14:00:15)
* Jason Hunt, IBM  (JasonHunt, 14:00:28)
* Rossella Sblendido  (rossella_s, 14:01:47)
* edwarnicke  (edwarnicke, 14:01:52)
* Tapio Tallgren  (TapioT, 14:02:52)
* Andre Fredette  (afredette, 14:02:58)
* Wenjing Chu  (Wenjing, 14:02:59)
* Frank Brockners  (frankbrockners, 14:03:19)
* Ray Kinsella for Rajesh Gadiyar.  (mortderire, 14:03:42)
* ONS  - EMEA, Jira-federation were was suggested as topics  (rpaik,
  14:05:42)
* GB does not what to enlarge the board size  (kennypaul, 14:07:02)
* ACTION: @rpaik to sent invite to the board meeting to TSC chairs
  (kennypaul, 14:08:35)
* TSC Chairs to provide top updats to GB on a quarterly basis
  (kennypaul, 14:09:45)
* dfarrell07 and edwarnicke expressed concerns that quarterly
  communications may not be efficient/fast enough for critical issues
  (rpaik, 14:11:50)
* forwarding looking release discussions may not be effective in open
  source communities  (rpaik, 14:14:41)
* concerns raised that distributed decision making will not make
  readouts on themes in advance of little value  (kennypaul, 14:14:43)
* retrospectives of nigh value however  (kennypaul, 14:15:06)
* retrospectives of high value however  (kennypaul, 14:15:43)
* dfarrell07 and others seem to think that infrequent "what we plan on
  doing" updates are almost impossible to create in healthy open source
  communities, where decision making happens in a bottom-up, distributed
  manor  (dfarrell07, 14:16:43)
* dfarrell07 suggests the Board reconsider their recommendation, find a
  way to enable frequent, short updates from TAC projects  (dfarrell07,
  14:17:12)
* dfarrell07 would go as far as saying that these types "what the
  community will work on" are hand-wavy BS, not worth anyone's time
  (dfarrell07, 14:18:47)
* edwarnicke suggests monthly updates of community pain points to board
  (kennypaul, 14:21:41)
* frankbrockners notes that email updates could complement "periodic"
  updates in GB meetings  (rpaik, 14:24:55)
* dfarrell07 thinks it's also important to build relationship between
  board and communities, better to build that in small informal updates
  than infrequent, large emails  (dfarrell07, 14:26:46)
* ACTION: dfarrell07 to go write recommendation to prefer frequent,
  small, informal updates over infrequent, formal updates  (dfarrell07,
  14:27:31)
* edwarnicke suggests discretionary budget being placed in the hands of
  the TSCs  (kennypaul, 14:29:23)
* edwarnicke talks about pool of budget for communities to handle
  themselves vs layer of indirection at TAC  (dfarrell07, 14:29:31)
* in general, edwarnicke dfarrell07 and others feel need to build more
  bottom-up structures, fewer top-down  (dfarrell07, 14:29:58)
* discretionary budget being defined as "events, marketing, pr, and
  other items" and not as "infra, personnel, etc"  (edwarnicke,
  14:30:07)
* projects would come to TAC to notify, which would allow chances to
  find ways to collab to save money, but would not be asking for TAC
  approval  (dfarrell07, 14:32:17)
* what do we need to updated in this Gerrit to include the discussion
  today? https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10545
  (dfarrell07, 14:39:08)
* discussion on discretionary spending per project and rpaik noted that
  the amount needs to be discussed with the GB  (rpaik, 14:39:13)
* ACTION: edwarnicke to go modify 10545 to include budget ideas
  discussed today  (dfarrell07, 14:40:15)
* the above Gerrit patch could be discussed with the A&F committee
  (rpaik, 14:45:02)
* suggestion to invite Jonne (LFN Treasurer) to the next GB meeting
  (rpaik, 14:47:33)
* request to have Jonne attend the next TAC meeting to provide a budget
  readout - caveat regarding that there are aspects of the budget can
  actually be shared in a public meeting like the TAC vs. Board
  (kennypaul, 14:49:55)
* ACTION: rpaik to schedule a meeting sometime next week to work
  on/review documents  (rpaik, 14:55:02)
* encourage everyone to review/provide feedback on documents (incl.
  Lifecycle doc)  (rpaik, 14:58:16)



Meeting ended at 15:02:35 UTC.



Action items, by person
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* dfarrell07
  * dfarrell07 to go write recommendation to prefer frequent, small,
    informal updates over infrequent, formal updates
* edwarnicke
  * edwarnicke to go modify 10545 to include budget ideas discussed
    today
* rpaik
  * @rpaik to sent invite to the board meeting to TSC chairs
  * rpaik to schedule a meeting sometime next week to work on/review
    documents



People present (lines said)
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* dfarrell07 (17)
* rpaik (15)
* kennypaul (12)
* collabot_ (4)
* edwarnicke (4)
* frankbrockners (1)
* TapioT (1)
* tykeal (1)
* timirnich (1)
* mortderire (1)
* JasonHunt (1)
* afredette (1)
* zxiiro (1)
* rossella_s (1)
* Xiaojun (1)
* Wenjing (1)



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