15:01:28 #startmeeting OPNFV TSC 15:01:28 Meeting started Tue Mar 3 15:01:28 2015 UTC. The chair is ChrisPriceAB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:28 The meeting name has been set to 'opnfv_tsc' 15:01:32 #info dlenrow 15:01:35 #info Chris Price 15:01:41 #info Bryan Sullivan 15:01:43 * ChrisPriceAB morning dneary 15:01:46 #info Uli Kleber 15:01:46 #info Frank Brockners 15:01:58 * ChrisPriceAB dneary are you cdub today? 15:02:10 #info Tapio Tallgren (Nokia) 15:02:29 #info fuqiao (proxy 15:02:39 #topic Approval of previous minute 15:03:06 #agree TSC approved the previous minutes 15:03:13 #topic Agenda Bashing 15:03:59 #info Gerald Kunzmann (DOCOMO) 15:04:21 #info I would like to add a discussion about OpenStack blueprint deadlines and how we act in a coordinated manner across OPNFV. 15:05:55 #chair dnaery 15:05:55 Warning: Nick not in channel: dnaery 15:05:55 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dnaery 15:05:56 #info I'll help 15:06:00 #chair dlenrow 15:06:00 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow dnaery 15:06:02 i'll help 15:06:12 #chair bryan_att 15:06:12 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB bryan_att dlenrow dnaery 15:06:20 #chair Gerald_K 15:06:20 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB Gerald_K bryan_att dlenrow dnaery 15:06:28 nary a naery 15:06:38 #topic Review of NFV#9 meeting 15:07:43 #info Chris at TST meeting at ETSI, proposed a contribution re similarity between reqs & defs on Phase 2 for testing 15:08:29 #info ... similarities etc call for closer collaboration with OPNFV 15:10:04 #info ... we need to get access to the ETSI proposals e.g. a link if it can be open 15:10:26 #info ... Chris will add a note to the list on what was stated in case we dont have access 15:10:56 #info CP stated to SDO collab meeting agreed to LOI between ETSI and OPNFV 15:11:02 #info ... ETSI plans to write a letter of intent re cross-group coorindation, leveraging work across groups 15:11:51 #info ... cross-consortia discussion went on later, anyone there to share what happened? 15:12:03 #info Parviz was there 15:12:32 #info TMF, ETSI NFV, 3GPP SA5 will work closely together 15:12:36 #info ... TMF, ETSI ISG, 3GPP SA5 will work to enhance the mgmt stack. Immediate OPNFV impact may be minimal 15:13:13 #info ... TMF ZOOM will work with ISG on Phase 2 POCS 15:13:16 #info JUlien 15:13:48 #info ... Work in SA5 will inform specs for MANO stack 15:14:24 #info ... open question is how to coordinate the ISG IFA WG (interfaces & arch) and SA5 15:15:02 #info ... ZOOM is being used as "marketing collateral" to influence the industry on NFV 15:15:28 #info http://docbox.etsi.org/ISG/NFV/05-CONTRIBUTIONS/2015/NFV(15)000057_Further_collaboration_between_OPNFV_and_ETSI_NFV.docx (ETSI Portal; closed for ETSI members) 15:15:47 * ChrisPriceAB thanks gerald 15:15:48 #info (available to ETSI members) 15:15:48 #info Dave L was there; ETSI was happy OPNFV supported it also. 15:16:11 #info dlenrow adds that ETSI NFV leadership was very happy that OPNFV attended, and were also apologetic about the lack of agility/bureaucracy in the ETSI process 15:16:48 #info no action items for OPNFV from that workshop 15:17:12 #topic OPNFV Release 1 Naming 15:17:49 We didn't 15:17:56 #info Ray sent the suggestions on names out to the list based on current inputs 15:18:01 #info Ray asks if we settled on "A" and real names 15:18:36 #info Chris: we haven't voted on methodology - that should be implicit in the vote 15:19:00 #info ... we need to trim the options; any we can drop, or any higher priority? 15:19:31 #info ... it can be anything at this point - we have not eliminated all but "A" e.g. 15:19:40 #info in OpenStack there is also a legal review 15:19:54 #info we should also do this filter before doing the voting 15:20:25 #info ... e.g. for (TM) 15:20:34 #info The filter is to names which could lead to trademark issues (like Amazon, perhaps) 15:20:55 see chat window of GTM 15:21:19 #info Pranav Mehta 15:21:48 #info I like fictional rivers 15:22:19 Arno or Avon are easy to write & spell names 15:22:21 #info how about Phoenix 15:22:36 #info what about "anchor" holding OPNFV together a river name 15:22:40 rubicon 15:24:05 #info or Styx 15:24:06 #info alphabetical order has benefit of being "predictable" and will avoid for the same discussion all over 15:24:51 #info Chris: OK to allow Ray to simplify the list and get legal approval, run a doodle etc? 15:25:08 Avon is a trademark I think 15:25:17 yes 15:25:54 #info Frank: only the TSC can vote? 15:26:25 #info Chris: good question - put to the TSC, community, or anyone? 15:26:41 #info Ray: it would be hard to open it too wide 15:27:22 #info Dave keep it simple, to the tech-discuss list. 15:27:47 #info I'd go with the community voting if feasible 15:28:01 #info Chris: it is a community right to have a vote on this 15:28:10 #info Frank: we should include name with vote 15:28:53 are all tsc members also member of the tech-discuss list ? 15:29:02 #agree That voting shall be open to all participants of the opnfv-tech-discuss list, we will ask voters to enter their name when voting. 15:29:28 #topic opnfv-tech-discuss topic filters 15:29:31 #info Parviz Yegani 15:29:52 #info Ray: topic filter email sent out last week - use Gerrit name rather than repo name 15:30:22 #undo 15:30:22 Removing item from minutes: 15:30:26 #info Ray: topic filter email sent out last week - use Jira name rather than repo name 15:30:33 * ChrisPriceAB slight correction 15:32:17 #info Bryan: why do we need to change 15:32:48 #info why not use filter on email client side? 15:33:27 #info if you want to address a specific project, use a specific tag in the email subject 15:33:40 #info A tag includes the project tag [BGS] in the e-mail header 15:34:05 #info you can choose in the mailman config which tags to receive 15:34:51 # should be "disabled" by default. anyone who wants to use it can "enable" it 15:34:59 #info should be "disabled" by default. anyone who wants to use it can "enable" it 15:37:46 #info enable auto-filtering in subject-line with project-name=repo-name or project specified tag and this optional 15:38:13 #agree TSC agrees to enable filters on opnfv-tech-discuss, Ray will provide clarification on the wiki. 15:38:46 #info Chris: need to address project naming conventions etc 15:39:05 #info ... call for a proposal for project name & tool chain proposals 15:39:50 #info Project naming conventions, repo names, Jeera project tags (volunteers?) 15:39:50 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/developers/project_page_template 15:40:11 #info Ray: project page template can include instructions 15:40:17 #action Ray & Chris to update the project page template and project key facts sections to reflect the naming needs across Jira/mail/repositories 15:40:51 #topic Maintaining project leader, committer & contributor list 15:41:31 #info Ray: Aric had an idea for source info better than the wiki 15:41:34 #info Ray explains that the current method of managing project leader, committer and contributors on the wiki is creating some confusion. 15:43:02 #info Aric: wiki list can be modified - have to go back and review changes; adding a list of contributors to the repo would enable automatic reports 15:43:04 #info aric proposes that when a project is created a file is created in the repository that describes the current list of committers & project lead. 15:44:57 #info "commiters" should be in repo, but contributors can be many and change , so access control should be for commiters? 15:44:57 #info pals 15:46:10 #info Frank: it would be good to have HTTP access to the wiki so that it can be easily synced with the wiki 15:46:27 #info ... "access to the repo"... 15:46:53 #info ... key project facts should be stable and visible on the wiki - a uniform source of info 15:47:06 #info +1 to Frank's proposal 15:47:41 #info https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/gitweb?p=releng.git;a=summary 15:48:07 #info Aric: gitweb doesn't need authentication 15:48:50 #action frankbrockers to work with aric to prototype autogenerating key project facts onto the wiki pages. 15:49:09 #info Luke: will look into how to render the content on the wiki 15:49:12 #undo 15:49:12 Removing item from minutes: 15:49:13 #undo 15:49:13 Removing item from minutes: 15:49:26 #action frankbrockers and hinds to work with aric to prototype autogenerating key project facts onto the wiki pages. 15:50:07 #info Chris: every project needs a leader / contact person 15:50:49 #action hinds to propose a security project for documentation and activity 15:51:09 #topic Development tool training, Jira, Gerrit, Git, Jenkins 15:51:10 need to drop off 15:51:50 #info Chris: not all are familiar with tools e.g. agile, jira, tying to gerrit etc 15:52:06 #info ... some members would be willing to do basic walkthrus 15:52:19 #info +1 15:52:44 #info ... how do we move forward 15:52:56 #info Bryan just get people started setting up the sessions 15:53:20 #info Chris: will do that, record on GTM etc for later use 15:53:30 #action chris to oraganise training sessions and record them for others to follow 15:53:36 #info some tutorial and recording of training sessions for getting started on tools 15:53:54 #topic Release 1 Updates 15:54:27 #info Chris: goal is R1 happens when we have achieved our intent, but is time-boxed 15:54:45 #info ... Uli captured some text on that 15:55:19 #info Uli: sent an email with text, and put it on an etherpad 15:55:19 #link https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/release1 15:56:20 #info ... Added Chris' intro, comments, and a summary, functionality, documentation, operations environment, availability 15:56:48 #info ... should serve as a R1 description - we can continue to edit on etherpad 15:56:49 UliK: How does this relate to the email from Chris: http://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tsc/2015-February/000487.html 15:57:07 #info ... first sentence sets the overview 15:57:22 #info Frank: how relates to Chris' email 15:57:51 #info Uli: took the email and comments, with the result being the current text on etherpad 15:58:30 #info Chris: R1 is not addressed on wiki yet. Do we need a specific page for it, and other things related? 15:59:04 #info Uli: we need that, for openness on what we want to achieve beyond TSC and OPNFV 15:59:08 #info +1 15:59:26 #info +1 15:59:54 #info Frank: public info can set things in stone - marketing team may want to edit the storyline 16:00:18 #info ... barebones tech detail could be used by marketing to create the public storyline 16:00:19 #info +1 16:00:55 #info +1 - it would be good to get marketing directly involved in public messsaging 16:01:44 #info Frank: we can add components as tag lines as they get firmed up, and avoid the marketing type description 16:02:05 #info Uli: we are not too early - 7 weeks left and we should know now what we want there 16:02:33 #info Frank: just recommend tht we let marketing craft the "tagline" (descriptive text) 16:03:03 #info Chris: this is worth starting to collect on the wiki 16:03:43 #info Prathima: will create the marketing message given the basic input from the TSC 16:04:41 #info Uli: should we get basic agreement on the existing descriptive content now 16:05:08 #info Chris: defer that due to MWC focus - focus on our intent for the wiki 16:05:33 #agree to begin to describe release one on the OPNFV wiki page, capturing the intended activities and objectives 16:06:00 #action ulik to begin to put this material on the wiki page 16:06:25 #topic Project plans & tracking 16:06:28 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/get_started/get_started_installer_approach 16:07:30 #info Frank indicates there are a number of deployment tools being worked on. Each has a status page showing current activity. 16:07:42 #info Frank: on BGS, we have three (Fuel, Foreman, OpenSteak) efforts on basic installer - page linked has info on each 16:07:54 #info Frank invites OPNFV members to look into the status pages and help where they are able to. 16:08:32 #info ... opportunities to help in various places 16:08:46 #info the team is starting to put the material into Jira for more public visibility 16:08:49 #info ... 50% are certain April date is achieveable 16:09:00 #info ... thus we need more hands on deck 16:09:25 #info Frank asks for more engineers to engage where possible in order to hit the April deadline. 16:09:53 #info ulik outlines the current activity in CI, they are currently focused on integrating with other projects for automated test 16:09:54 #info Uli: for Octopus, hackfest showed Jenkins setup etc 16:10:59 #info Bryan: would be great to get info on presentations and takeaways from the hackfest, on the wiki 16:11:10 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/events/meetupfeb19-2015 16:11:58 #info Palani: for FuncTest, jira project was created. Any TSC guidelines on creating user stories? 16:12:32 #info pals outlines the functest activity. Jira is created and the team is looking to structure the epics/stories/activities for clarity. 16:12:33 #info Frank: create a bunch of epics for various installer approaches for a high level grouping purpose 16:13:09 #info ... individual cases underneath avoids flat high-level confusion 16:13:25 #info Palani: have outlined 5 stories in basic FuncTest 16:13:53 #info ... prototyping / development - two are working incl Morgan, started using devstack & tempest 16:14:20 #info ... tech issues are being worked; I'm not duplicating that effort 16:14:57 #info ... using devstack are started using tempest tests on OpenStack in a VM 16:15:14 #info palani looking for volunteers to work on stories. 16:15:27 #info ... would be great to assign stories to get community action 16:15:49 #info Chris: just need to be people willing to do the work, not committers 16:16:02 #info Palani: will create stories and send to the list 16:17:35 #info Frank: Tim and Dan were successul/mostly on bringing up Foreman in Intel lab - should sync up with them on testing e.g. Robot once we have a stable environment. Running tempest in top eg. via CI should be possible 16:17:49 #topic Documentation 16:19:10 #info Chris has documenation template 16:19:41 #info Chris: reach out if you want to help on thdocumentaiton 16:20:01 #info https://wiki.opnfv.org/documentation_projects/opnfv_documentation 16:22:09 #info ulik Uli K is leaving im2bz2p__ (MIke Young) will stand in his place. 16:22:14 #topic OpenStack blueprint handling 16:22:58 #info request in last week meeting to submit BPs, but there was no process defined yet how to handle this 16:23:49 #info proposed BPs should be as visible and aligned among multiple projects 16:24:14 #info Brian outlines the need to have a well formed set of ideas on how we will work toward openstack. 16:25:38 #info Chris: proposal to have 30mins discussion prior to next TSC call 16:26:06 #info Bryan: can someone provide info on the deadline 16:26:15 #info he asks for OPNFV to coordinate internally before discussing too much externally to reduce confusion 16:26:30 #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/02/sign-up-for-openstack-upstream-training-in-vancouver/ 16:28:08 #info Dave will send mail with details on it 16:29:21 #info final call for BPs for L-release will be Vancouver meeting in May 16:30:18 #info reviewer resources is currently a bottleneck in OpenStack 16:31:19 #info we need reach out to people involved in OpenStack 16:32:26 #info Bryan: I take the result of this as that Requirements projects are not cadenced with OPNFV releases 16:32:27 #info Bryan: requirement projects are not linked to OPNFV release timeline 16:32:36 #undo 16:32:36 Removing item from minutes: 16:34:19 #info Gerald: we may need high-level description of the BPs in the Wiki, but shall use OpenStack terminology in the OpenStack Launchpad 16:34:24 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/community 16:34:26 #info Bryan: we will also meet on IRC to tune the doctor blueprints e.g. for alignment with copper 16:35:09 ChrisPriceAB, I will add the OpenStack release information, suggest we have similar for OpenDaylight, Open vSwitch, DPDK, Linaro, OpenContrail and other projects 16:35:25 A kinf of knowledge base about how decisions get made in upstream projects 16:36:10 #info DaveN will add the OpenStack release information, suggest we have similar for OpenDaylight, Open vSwitch, DPDK, Linaro, OpenContrail and other projects 16:36:29 #topic Project Approvals 16:36:32 #info ... and a knowledge base about how decisions get made in upstream projects 16:36:47 Data Collection for failure prediction - OPNFV failure prediction: 16:36:57 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/requirements_projects/data_collection_of_failure_prediction 16:37:11 #info ???/Huawei: goal is to avoid failures in advance 16:38:48 #info ...(sharing screen) 16:39:17 #info presenter is Linghui Zeng/Huawei 16:39:51 #info ... ETSI has defined general requirements for failure prediction 16:40:14 thanks 16:41:38 #info ... most important is data collection and depends upon real-time data sources; second major component is a failure predictor 16:42:27 #info ... goal of this project is to investigate functional gaps and identify data needing to be collected 16:43:10 #info ... current gaps known are e.g. re state of guest OS 16:43:21 #info architecture: predictor will provide input to Doctor module 16:43:48 #info data collection is done by Ceilometer, Zabbix, ... 16:44:27 #info ... predictor will send notifications to other handlers e.g. doctor module 16:44:52 #info first goal is to focus on the data collector 16:45:51 #info Chris: scope is to find out data that shall be collected, but is not yet available 16:47:24 #info Bryan: is the scope limited to what is available thru OpenStack? 16:48:46 #info the first release will not consider the interface to "FaultManagement" 16:50:43 #info Linghui: data collection is different to Doctor data collection 16:53:57 #info investigates on how to hook various open source monitors in Monasca 16:56:19 #startvote TSC to approve the creation of the collector (data collection for failure prediction) project? (+1, 0, -1) 16:56:19 Begin voting on: TSC to approve the creation of the collector (data collection for failure prediction) project? Valid vote options are , +1, 0, -1, . 16:56:19 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 16:56:27 #vote +1 16:56:29 #vote +1 16:56:31 #vote +1 16:56:32 #vote +1 16:56:35 #vote +1 16:56:35 #vote +1 16:56:36 #vote +1 16:56:36 #vote +1 16:56:42 #vote +1 16:56:57 I'm not an official proxy today 16:57:09 #endvote 16:57:09 Voted on "TSC to approve the creation of the collector (data collection for failure prediction) project?" Results are 16:57:09 +1 (9): frankbrockners, fuqiao, dlenrow, bryan_att, Pranav_, ChrisPriceAB, im2bz2p__, tapio__, Gerald_K 16:58:30 #action everyone cheer for bryan for taking notes 16:58:36 who is the lead on data_collection_of_failure_prediction ? 16:59:33 #endmeeting/me use Linghui Zeng as the proposer until it is clarified