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#opnfv-meeting: Project lifecycle review part 2
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Meeting started by ildikov at 17:01:22 UTC.  The full logs are available
at
http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2015/opnfv-meeting.2015-09-08-17.01.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Ray Nugent  (RayNugent_, 17:03:25)
* Ildiko Vancsa  (ildikov, 17:03:46)
* Daniel Smith  (lmcdasm, 17:05:29)
* Bryan Sullivan  (bryan_att, 17:05:54)
* Bin Hu  (bin_, 17:06:10)
* This the followup meeting of Project Lifecycle Review  (bin_,
  17:15:41)
* Ildiko: there were some discussions on the mailing list  (bin_,
  17:16:06)
* Ildiko: categories were removed from the proposal  (bin_, 17:16:30)
* #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_lifecycle_bylaws  (ildikov,
  17:17:11)
* #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_lifecycle  (ildikov, 17:17:35)
* Ray: have we decided it will be an official OPNFV project, or not?
  (bin_, 17:17:45)
* Ray: Seems like we would have a better chance of changing bylaws if we
  were an official project  (bin_, 17:20:16)
* Ildiko: we need TSC approval, and Board approval if we want to change
  bylaws  (bin_, 17:20:50)
* Ray: we have a better chance to get Board approval if we have a
  project  (bin_, 17:22:11)
* Ildiko: Not sure if we can have "governance" project  (bin_, 17:22:44)
* Ildiko: lots of admin overheads  (bin_, 17:22:59)
* Ray: contributors may participate on a regular basis if we have a
  project  (bin_, 17:23:48)
* Ildiko: not 100% sure that it needs regular project work  (bin_,
  17:24:33)
* Iben: no time to participate as a formal project  (bin_, 17:25:25)
* Bryan: perhaps a standing committee may work?  (bin_, 17:26:20)
* Ildiko: this activity not often all the time  (bin_, 17:29:52)
* Ildiko: handle it on demand  (bin_, 17:30:30)
* Ray: not suggest to continuously change the process  (bin_, 17:30:55)
* Ray: not weekly meeting, but convene as needed when issues arise
  (bin_, 17:31:50)
* Ildiko: we can start this topic further on mailing list  (bin_,
  17:32:42)
* Ildiko: we may not need this permanent group, but let's discuss it
  further on mailing list  (bin_, 17:33:28)
* Ildiko: let us focus on discussing the proposal  (bin_, 17:34:25)
* Ildiko: any comment on the proposal in wiki page?  (bin_, 17:34:59)
* Ray: concern on defining lifecycle without knowing the review process
  (bin_, 17:35:50)
* Ildiko: only a few changes (summarized in email)  (bin_, 17:37:08)
* Ildiko: lifecycle is more or less the same as summarized in wiki page
  (bin_, 17:39:01)
* original project lifecycle page: #link
  https://www.opnfv.org/developers/technical-project-governance/project-lifecycle
  (ildikov, 17:39:46)
* Ildiko: just removed those project "categories", and consolidate
  metrics  (bin_, 17:39:47)
* Ray: this is gated process, we don't have infra setup for reviews
  except creation review.  (bin_, 17:42:28)
* Ildiko: it is not about daily work of each project. OPNFV is young.
  Graduation review may happen after a few releases.  (bin_, 17:44:36)
* Ray: if I am already in a release, what is the value of having those
  reviews?  (bin_, 17:47:12)
* Ildiko: really no good answer, but it is defined by bylaws and
  expected by Board  (bin_, 17:47:50)
* Ildiko: we have plenty of time to address it, but we may not be able
  to address it at the beginning  (bin_, 17:50:15)
* Ildiko: any argument of proposal - i.e. removing the categories, and
  slight consolidation of metrics listed on wiki pages?  (bin_,
  17:54:00)
* Ildiko: understand the silence means agreement on the proposal on wiki
  page  (bin_, 17:54:57)
* My concerns stand  (RayNugent_, 17:54:57)
* Ildiko: will bring it to TSC for review  (bin_, 17:56:14)
* Ray: review before or after Board approval of bylaws?  (bin_,
  17:57:06)
* Ildiko: Board approves first, then work on other issues. TSC agreement
  first, Board approval next.  (bin_, 17:58:07)
* I'm concerned the board will identify the unresolved issues and ask us
  to fix before they approve. Small steps may not be an acceptable
  strategy  (RayNugent_, 17:59:19)
* Bryan: small step is fine, and we need to move forward  (bin_,
  17:59:27)
* Ildiko: agreement here and get TSC agreement first, then Board
  approval.  (bin_, 18:00:54)
* Ildiko: will send follow-up mail to the mailing list.  (bin_,
  18:02:07)
* meeting adjourned  (bin_, 18:02:16)



Meeting ended at 18:02:40 UTC.



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