15:00:39 #startmeeting OPNFV BGS/Genesis weekly meeting 15:00:39 Meeting started Mon Sep 14 15:00:39 2015 UTC. The chair is frankbrockners. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:39 The meeting name has been set to 'opnfv_bgs_genesis_weekly_meeting' 15:01:08 #info Jonas Bjurel 15:01:10 #info Morgan Richomme 15:01:15 #info David Duffey 15:01:32 #info Tim Rozet 15:01:45 #info Frank Brockners 15:02:01 #info Bryan Sullivan 15:02:39 #info David Karr 15:02:52 #info draft agenda for today: https://wiki.opnfv.org/meetings/bgs#sep142015 15:02:53 #info chenshuai 15:02:54 #info Ashlee Young 15:03:01 #info Daniel Smith (Ericsson) 15:03:05 #info Fatih Degirmenci 15:03:35 anyone have the GTM number handy? (i dont have my laptop open). 15:03:51 Long distance 15:03:51 : 15:03:51 +1 (312) 757-3119 15:03:51 Access code 15:03:51 : 15:03:52 158-935-301 15:03:54 thx 15:04:09 isn't it irc only? 15:04:12 sorry for the 6 lines, bad cut-and-paste 15:04:22 I think it is irc only, no presenter/talkers on the call 15:04:25 I will be on IRC only 15:04:44 thanks.. yes - IRC only 15:04:45 thx - i wasnt sure (so many meetings) 15:04:56 #info Artur Tyloch 15:05:00 on the agenda: anything else to add? 15:05:07 #info Debra 15:05:30 Hello, Brady here, is this the Genesis meeting? and are you on GoTo? 15:05:31 agenda - status and process for project dependencies 15:05:33 FrankB: - arey ou going to address the link between project-->BGS/GENESIS --> installers via third bullet? 15:05:35 as usually we'll have two main topics - BGS and Genesis 15:05:37 if not then i think that should be added. 15:05:58 Brady - yes - genesis - no GTM 15:06:14 lmcdasm: yes - we're going to address this as "how to work with Genesis" 15:06:16 lmcdasm: thanks 15:06:19 thank you 15:06:26 ok - let's get rolling 15:06:32 frankbrockners: was that agenda item add clear? 15:06:37 #topic BGS - Arno SR1 status 15:06:57 frankbrockners: sorry, one additional item, Jonas Bjurel suggested I join to discuss the OPNFV SFC Genesis requirements 15:07:15 bryan_att: https://wiki.opnfv.org/meetings/bgs#sep142015 - work procedures bullet 15:07:19 Welcome ebrjohn 15:07:33 #info SR1 development pretty much complete, radez is just updating the build and I need to finish docs, but all other bugs are closed for Foreman 15:07:49 ebrjohn: thanks - let's add this 15:08:04 thanks trozet 15:08:08 #info Dan Radez 15:08:21 #info for Functest we are not able to test all the scenario (stable/master on foreman/fuel) because auto installation is failing on LF pOD2 15:08:38 #info auto reconfig of POD leads to network issue 15:08:47 #info Fuel SR1 pretty much frozen, remaining items: local repo mirror, docs. 15:09:02 #info Jose and Peter spent time testing it on LF POD2 15:09:09 Jonas2: what does local repo mirror mean? 15:09:37 #link https://build.opnfv.org/ci/computer/opnfv-jump-2/ 15:10:19 frankbrockners: With Fuel 6.1, the repos are not part of the .iso any longer, so we need to have a local package mirror 15:10:47 morgan_orange: it looks like foreman is failing because of 172.30.8.75 is still power on, even after clean 15:11:47 Jonas2: Does releng provide for that local mirror? 15:12:04 trozet: it is a consequence of using only 1 POD for all the installers . The reconfig of the underlay is not fully clean 15:12:18 frankbrockners: We will provide that through fuel 15:13:02 Jonas2: Not sure I fully follow - but let's take this offline 15:13:08 at the moment only 1 deploy has been successfull since 48h (last fuel master) all the other attemps failed (fuel stable, foreman stable and master) 15:13:30 morgan_orange: ok do we need to get pbandzi to look at the UCS? I will take a look as well 15:13:50 pbandzi is already looking at these issues with Jose 15:13:56 pbandzi is out 'till Thursday this week 15:14:44 frankbrockners: Fuel 6.1 works pretty much as forman did in Arno/SR0, pulls packages from upstream repo while installing. We dont want tha, thats why we build a local package mirror at buildtime, which will be colocated with Fuel. 15:15:39 that will be much better. otherwise the install is more fragile 15:16:03 also - without a frozen local repo 15:16:14 so in summary for SR1 status it seems as if (a) both Fuel and Foreman/Quickstack are code development ready; (b) there are test/deployment issues which are pending a resolution of LF lab config fixes 15:16:16 you dont know if you are testing what you actually released before / no real "Freeze" 15:16:57 lmcdasm: Agreed, the old discussion we had back during the Arno/SR0 days:-) 15:17:10 never addressed - swept under the carpet 15:17:16 we are doing this again in this release and SR1 15:17:27 would be good to have a final word from TSC on whether we delivery SW or NOT 15:17:30 as a requirement 15:17:36 deliver* 15:18:10 lmcdasm: Actually there is a Genesis Jira issue for the B-release that sais that it must deploy without connectivity. 15:18:18 ahh.. thx Jonas 15:18:18 :) 15:18:21 lmcdasm: what are we missing here? 15:18:48 * trozet can try to look into UCS and figure out the infra problem 15:19:06 thanks tim 15:19:06 trozet: perhaps nothing - if you and all other installers are meeting that requirement - i/e that all SW is self contained in installer releases and no internet connectivity is required 15:19:20 then great! (didnt know about the requirement). 15:19:29 #info trozet to look into the LF config issues that the testing team observes 15:19:37 lmcdasm: for Arno and SR1 we tag any local repos, so we know its frozen 15:19:38 I'm glad that requirement is there 15:19:41 if we have installers that are still using links to get SW packages during installation - then that needs to be corrected 15:19:47 but thats not good enough Tim 15:20:01 you have to delivery the SW - you have to assume no one has connectivity outbound 15:20:05 Does the requirement say how the artifacts should be packaged? 15:20:20 lmcdasm: yeah that will be fixed in B release 15:20:23 lmcdasm: we have this jira ticket 15:20:42 let's keep Arno SR1 separated from B-river 15:21:56 for Arno SR1 we should follow what we've done for Arno - i.e. install the jumphost from the .iso but assume that the jumphost and all other hosts have internet connectivity 15:22:19 *unless* we have consensus here to change this to "no Internet connectivity" 15:23:22 trozet, Jonas2: ok? 15:23:37 frankbrockners: OK 15:23:44 frankbrockners: yeah we are not changing that for SR1, that is correct 15:24:49 #info Arno SR1 install procedures and requirements will be the same as for Arno, i.e. jumphost installs from a bootable .iso - but further installation of hosts can assume Internet connectivity 15:25:52 given that we have quite a few moving pieces towards SR1, the idea was brought up by Morgan and Fatih to have a regular brief synch meetings like we did for Arno 15:26:26 in those meetings we'd discuss progress and open issues really briefly - so 15-30min max per day 15:26:30 frankbrockners: Too many meetings - really! 15:26:57 ok - one voice against a regular synch meeting... 15:27:02 any other takers? 15:27:05 frankbrockners: I like the idea of a daily meeting at this point, its getting close to release time 15:27:12 just keep it 30 min or less 15:27:21 frannkbrockners - not every day at least 15:27:25 my target would be 15min 15:27:37 if I come back to the CI thread, today we (functest) are not able to test simply because the installations failed on POD2 15:27:44 how about Mon/Wed/Fri 15:28:04 wxhen installation is fined, functest usually is fine (we have only 1 bug on ODL) 15:28:17 morgan_orange - the idea of the synch meetings would be to surface those issues and track them 15:28:22 yes 15:28:26 15 minutes is enough 15:28:37 frankbrockners: Ok, what time? 15:29:00 how about 15min at 9am PDT (=4pm UTC) on Mon/Wed/Fri - IRC only 15:29:09 15 minutes as first item of weekly monday BGS meeting? 15:29:20 good point 15:29:22 frankbrockners: OK 15:29:39 that means Monday as weekly - plus Wed and Fri 15:30:07 monday? after this meeting? 15:30:09 should we do 8am PDT (3pm UTC) instead 15:30:15 then it is always the same time 15:30:19 of the day 15:30:31 chenshuai - no as part of this meeting 15:30:51 All: We are now half way into the meeting and we havent started with the b-river. Its there we have the challenges! 15:31:17 Jonas2: Ack - but SR1 needs attention as well.. 15:31:22 so proposal again: 15:31:30 10 minutes 3PM UTC on Mon/Wed/Friday + a wiki page to teack the status (assuming that the goal is to have a CI up& running install/deploy/functest for both installers on both versions 15:31:48 thanks morgan_orange 15:32:06 ok for everyone? 15:32:38 frankbrockners: OK 15:32:49 #info Arno SR1 status meetings and tracking: 10 minutes 3PM UTC on Mon/Wed/Friday + a wiki page to teack the status (assuming that the goal is to have a CI up& running install/deploy/functest for both installers on both versions 15:33:50 #info for status tracking we can use the already existing https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/arno/stablerelease_1 page 15:34:09 per Jonas2 - let's move on to the next topic... Release 2 15:34:31 #topic Genesis 15:34:38 #topic Genesis - work procedures 15:35:21 #info for now, we have two wikis with complementary info https://wiki.opnfv.org/genesis/integration_guidelines and https://wiki.opnfv.org/genesis/genesis_work_procedures 15:35:29 We have received three integration requests 15:36:01 proposal: merge them into one - and require folks to use Jira rather than email to create requests. 15:36:32 would that be ok (I can create a merged proposal - unless someone else wants to do that) 15:36:34 ? 15:36:47 frankbrockners: in a genesis email when you were gone, the consensus we had was that folks didn't want members outside of genesis to create requests in JIRA 15:36:55 frankbrockners: in a genesis meeting* 15:36:59 This going in circles 15:37:01 frankbrockners: should it be genesis Jira requests? 15:37:02 yup 15:37:06 +1ash 15:37:18 your procedure on your wiki says to send email and discuss 15:37:42 I think all projects should have one member in Genesis - to address the issue of how to get their requirements integrated 15:37:57 also - should projects create the JIRA in thier own project, in genesis - or in the installer they want? we are assuming that all installers will pick up all reqs from projects? 15:38:09 that seems a bit far - is it not that projects set a requirement to be installed on ZYX? 15:38:19 again - the process from project to genesis to installer is super fuzzy 15:38:34 it's assumed that it won't be as simple as saying "please integrate this software" - and that it gets done without direct project support in genesis 15:38:51 hmm. im super confused then 15:39:02 since thats how the three reqs you put from copper came out last week (or the way i read them). 15:39:08 https://wiki.opnfv.org/genesis/genesis_work_procedures already states that the logic is bottoms up 15:39:31 sigh - thats not a process Frank 15:39:37 thats a page of steps on how to create a ticket 15:39:39 i.e. if you have something to be integrated, you need to do the work and bring the code 15:39:46 im looking for a proces spage that says from Project A wants B on all installers 15:39:57 frankbrockners: On what project should the Jira request be issued? 15:39:58 for copper that was the scope of the request - I was following a template suggested - but we are here in this project to make it happen 15:40:02 submits to genesis, genesis talks to all installers and they set requirement or something 15:40:22 how does it work once the story is created is what im trying to understand 15:40:38 thx for the answer bryan.. 15:40:42 I also followed the provided template 15:41:01 other projects can set a dependency on a genesis task in jira and vsv 15:41:02 lmcdasm - that is what I was proposing to flash out in details with merging the two wikis 15:41:12 as it is now, i we have project opening JIRAs in genesis that will result in something in an installer Project? Why the three hops? 15:41:20 in essence it would be: (a) I have a new requirement for all installers. 15:41:37 if so then (b) I create the integration for all the installers (i.e. create the code) 15:41:56 no one should enter a task in Jira for genesis if they are not on the genesis team 15:41:58 if done then (c) I raise a request through Jira with the Genesis team 15:42:24 (d) Genesis team will review, test, and make sure that the code really works and fits 15:42:29 you have to keep control of your own project scope 15:42:33 ? 15:42:41 and vote whether it would be taken on as a general requirement 15:42:45 ok - hmm. how will genesis do that verify on all installers 15:42:53 +1 debra 15:42:58 and what happens to the work the project did when genesis comes back weeks/ later and says no? 15:43:15 anyway - thanks for the explanation - would be great to a see a documented flow chart or something with a Process 15:43:28 so people know and can ask questions to reference against (maybe im a brokwn record now). 15:43:45 lmcdasm: some of your questions have answers on the wiki 15:43:50 lmcdasm - I can do this - but this was my understanding so far 15:44:00 trozet - im looking at the wiki and i dont see a process flow 15:44:14 the gates that show how a project created that req A - the format for getting inclusion into JIRA 15:44:22 and i really dont see how the intsallers are invovled 15:44:29 since not all installers are part of gensis.. 15:44:31 so in essence: if you have a common requirement, then you need to also bring the code to provide for the common solution 15:44:41 anywa - thanks for the discussion.. 15:44:47 lmcdasm: https://wiki.opnfv.org/genesis/integration_guidelines <--- If your requirement is not approved, then you may choose to engage in a particular installer to see if you could be part of their installers as non-official Genesis requirement. 15:45:06 thx. 15:45:18 so this means all intsallers have to be a par of genesis by default 15:45:27 or you have genesis making decisions for other projects without input 15:45:53 anyway - seems like everyone by Ash and i understand the process. 15:46:14 so please continue and i will continute to read and ask questions to Debra and othersin the mail thread 15:46:50 so back on the earlier question: Should I take a stab at integrating the two wikis - or trozet, do you want to take a stab? 15:47:36 franbrockners: Who doesnt matter to me. 15:47:37 frankbrockners: I think my process is better, but everyone may not agree. If you want to combine them please go ahead 15:48:13 So what is the deadline for the integration requests? Sep 21? 15:48:24 trozet - ok - let's do this jointly 15:49:24 Milestone C is Setp/25 15:49:43 so in theory, other projects should have their requests in by Sept/25 15:50:20 frankbrockners: If I should have a plan Sep 25, I need to know what is comming into fuel before that. 15:50:37 frankbrockners they need to have their request to you with enough time for you to process before Sep 25 15:50:59 +1 debra 15:51:07 Debra - a question - two weeks ago i brought this up to you in your project meeting 15:51:21 So, does this mean you want our projects to issue Jira tickets to you? 15:51:24 have you ap lan to deal with the gap between projects and into installer so isntallers can handle their own stuff + the stuff from projects? 15:51:29 have you a plan* 15:51:30 #info ebrjohn Brady Johnson 15:51:49 * ebrjohn info'd in just in case... now you know who I am :) 15:51:50 debra - you won't be able to process a request until folks also show you the integration code for all installers 15:52:10 IMHO we should first gather the tickets and then decide which ones to pick up 15:52:21 This crazy!!!! 15:52:35 and I don't expect that integration code will be there by Sep/25 15:52:39 I love not getting a response to a question 15:53:02 ashyoung: Sorry - could you repeat the question? 15:53:04 You guys can't even agree on email request vs Jira 15:53:14 lmcdasm, ashyoung, we may need to set offsets in the milestones of too many projects are later. We don't want to set them yet as we want to push as many as possible to actually meet the deadlines 15:53:16 Do we issue a jira ticket to your project 15:53:32 so how do we get requests to you? 15:53:38 ok - when can we start to see some solid plans for the relase? 15:53:51 I am simply trying to figure out what do I need to do 15:53:56 its been 4 weeks i have brought some stuff up and no answers.. we are talking about a release in 10 days from today 15:53:59 ah - I believe trozet clarified this earlier: Email request first, which is then transformed into a Jira ticket 15:54:06 frankbrockners- intent to join and being successful at joining are 2 different things. They should give you intent now so you have them planned in your scope. 15:54:13 ok 15:54:13 but there is no mention of how to dela with the gap brought up - not input from Frank or Debra on the emails or ask questions popped up 15:54:15 thanks! 15:54:27 and each meeting we are talking about tickets and JIRA - when the way this is coming together for the people doing the coding is not clear 15:54:36 debra: +1 15:54:47 frankbrockners: we are mote than happy to create the Jira ticket ourselves - is that what you want? 15:55:37 bryan_att: trozet said that there was a different process agreed - trozet, could you just restate the consensus? 15:56:00 * bryan_att ok sorry perhaps distracted 15:56:29 Looks like we wont get to the SFC Genesis requirements today 15:56:42 frankbrockners: Well I think Jonas +1 the integration guidelines I proposed, if no one else disagrees then... 15:57:00 frankbrockners: which is email format liek others have done, then we discuss your requirement in a meeting to form a JIRA requirest 15:57:02 trozet: thanks - which means email first 15:57:02 request* 15:57:25 sorry to those who joined from their respective requirements and we are not getting to that discussion 15:57:28 And what is the deadline? 15:57:55 sorry - i cant +1 cause i dont see how it will work - who picks up the first ticket, how does the genesis decision making happen for requiremensts (just a argument in IRC / is there a method) - how will this flow from Gen to projects (will another ticket in the JIRA for that installer project be created).. 15:58:00 In last weeks meeting we proposed Sep 21 15:58:17 trozet: thanks for that, just let us know what else we need to do to get our requirements in 15:58:30 after the milestone C use a change management process in your project as needed. i.e. exception process for those coming late. This means you have control over whether they can join late or not. 15:58:50 Jonas2: Let's do Sep/21 then - to have folks articulate their "desire" 15:58:55 ebrjohn: will do 15:59:23 #info Deadline for integration requests is Sep 21 15:59:28 frankbrockners +1 15:59:56 ebrjohn - specifically on SFC - the key thing would be to articulate that you expect to create the integration / code for the different installers (or better: supply a pointer if the code is already available) 16:00:02 frankbrockners: Will you let TSC know the deadline? 16:00:24 Jonas2: I can ask Chris for 2 min on the TSC call tomorrow 16:00:30 and get the word out 16:00:54 Let's also send email 16:00:55 frankbrockners: I suggest we have a gtm to discuss requirements with each installers with real voice :) 16:00:57 frankbrockners communicate this in as many channels as possible 16:01:01 4 business days for all projects to get that stuff in - a little short huh? 16:01:13 frankbrockners: ok, then Genesis will at some point later accept or reject it, right? What happens if its rejected? 16:01:22 Do we throw the code away? 16:01:23 Sep/21 is one week from now 16:01:27 At the beginning of the call, it was stated that you had several requests now. Can you confirm what projects you have received them from? 16:01:43 ebrjohn - installers can still pick the code up 16:01:45 ebrjohn +10 your question - asked a couple times 16:01:47 ebrjohn, if rejected it could be postponed until next sr release 16:01:52 ashyoung: Copper, SFC, ONOSFW, let me check if there are others 16:02:18 frank - can you elaborate on what you mean - "installers can pick up the code" 16:02:20 I have seen SFC, OVS, Copper (Im unsure if I also saw ONOS). 16:02:22 Cool! Thanks1 16:02:24 if Gensisi said no - how would that work? 16:02:27 or next possible release 16:02:36 trozet: Did you discuss how to track the email requests in the last meeting? 16:02:41 debra: Until next release, and in the meantime, the project cant install :( 16:02:41 I assume that projects can always publish post-install customizations if genesis does not accept it, or it's too late 16:02:44 ONOS isn't a project. It's ONOSFW 16:02:46 lmcdasm, they may just say no for this release, not "no" forever 16:02:52 frankbrockners: no we should add them to a wiki though 16:02:58 I've asked for that Jira ticket to be fixed 16:03:00 as artifacts of the B release 16:03:38 great - do we have the criteria and method that all installers will analyze requirements - dispute resolution (2 installers say yes, one says no - what dod we do?). 16:03:47 bryan_att +1 16:03:49 lmcdasm: its majority rules 16:03:56 HAHA 16:04:18 lmcdasm - https://wiki.opnfv.org/genesis/governance 16:04:50 lmcdasm: and that is clearly stated on the wiki^ 16:04:51 ok - but that is to the genesis repo - we are talking about project requirements that pass through genesis to an installer project 16:05:00 ok - very good.. 16:05:08 ok - prior to closing - in past Genesis meetings, there were already a couple of AIs on specific requirements 16:05:18 http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2015/opnfv-meeting.2015-08-31-15.00.html 16:05:24 thanks for the clarity on code commits to genesis.. if i get it.. a requirement will be approved.. then genesis will take the installer code and do the deliveyr.. great!! 16:05:27 I suggest we have a TSC vote on certification of any genesis objection to incorporating requirements - this should be an exception and the reasons eg. logistics/feasibility are important for the community to understand and agree to 16:05:50 have we taken GENESIS-7 to a patch in Gerrit? 16:05:56 frankbrockners: in your genesis repo structure proposal you have one file covering all Jira requests, to better accomodate for voting - wouldnt it be better to have one file per Jira? 16:06:02 for community cohesiveness at least 16:06:19 Jonas2 16:06:31 frankbrockners: we need to take some of the basic requirements to a vote in gerrit. I have not taken any into Gerrit yet 16:06:35 Jonas2: Agreed - single file per Jira might be even better 16:06:53 trozet: Let's get this started 16:07:13 that way we can also see whether the process works or whether we need to tweak it 16:07:30 yup 16:07:36 all - any feedback on my last suggestion for TSC oversight on objections? 16:07:56 frankbrockners: Want me to create a wiki to track the email requests? we can also update with the meeting we plan to discuss them with the respective projects 16:08:23 bryan_att: TSC always votes +1 16:08:25 ;) 16:08:26 bryan_att: TSC will not do any coding :-) 16:08:28 bryan_att: Not sure about any TSC involvement here. Genesis is just requirements consolidation across installers that participate 16:09:06 and the TSC cannot mandate any work to be done by any group 16:09:23 all Genesis does is coordinate and provide visibility 16:09:26 I think it's important for projects to understand the limitations that genesis may encounter - elevating issues to the TSC will help address or bring to the table issues with the installer support communities, e.g. indications of need for better cross-installer alignment 16:10:00 this is an important "gate" for the community 16:10:09 bryan_att - if we encounter any issues that we as the Genesis team believes the TSC could solve, we can of course bring them up with the TSC 16:10:24 but back on the actual task 16:10:26 we have to understand as a community, why some projects may not be able to pass it 16:11:04 bryan_att: sounds very reasonable to me what you're suggesting 16:11:28 bryan_att: shouldnt it be voted on in Genesis before having to escalate to the TSC? 16:11:37 there are a couple of things we need to get done asap: i.e. create a set of "sample" committs for existing Jira tickets - and use our process 16:11:40 , ok, move on - we will followup as needed 16:11:46 ebrjohn: yes 16:12:26 any volunteers - I could create a few - trozet, Jonas2 - do you want to do the same? 16:12:39 frankbrockners: yes 16:13:06 frankbrockners: just do the basic ones 16:13:18 frankbrockners: I can do some. 16:13:31 #action frankbrockners, trozet - create a set of commits associated to Jira tickets (start with simple ones) - to test out the process 16:13:35 I need to create a Jira for that ;-) 16:13:47 lol 16:13:47 Jonas2 LOL 16:13:50 #action Jonas2 - to help create a set of commits as well 16:14:14 I can work from the top of the stack. 16:14:50 ok - cool 16:15:00 lets just communicate with each other 16:15:04 which ones we create, to avoid duplicate 16:15:21 in addition to that we need to start to track requests that come in via email 16:15:29 trozet: Work from the bottom 16:15:32 trozet - let's do this offline 16:15:42 yeah 16:15:58 trozet - could you start a wiki for the requests which came in so far? 16:16:13 frankbrockners: yup will do 16:16:17 thanks 16:16:27 ... we're way over time already 16:16:39 but is there anything else we should cover really quickly 16:16:46 is the SFC team still here? 16:17:12 ebrjohn: ping? 16:17:17 hello, sorry 16:17:22 im back 16:17:26 reading 16:17:40 ebrjohn - how can we help? 16:17:42 Ok, SFC team is still hear, and ready 16:18:01 Well, I submit an email per you wiki, and it was suggested I come to this meeting 16:18:16 The requirements were a patched version of OVS, and Tacker 16:18:43 I understand now that we cant include TAcker in OPNFV deliverables, and will have to handle it via a post-install or something similar 16:19:08 frankbrockners: I think SFC request is to include an OVS install option with NSH support 16:19:10 One other requirement I was considering is that we need ODL Beryllium, but Im not sure if that's necessary to specify 16:19:21 So, what else do I need to do for now? 16:19:31 trozet: correct, thanks 16:19:42 ebrjohn: why does SFC need Beryllium? 16:20:32 trozet: because we need the latest ODL SFC has to offer 16:20:46 This was discussed early on in one of our weekly calls 16:20:53 ebrjohn: the current genesis proposal is https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/GENESIS-6 16:21:10 We will definitely find bugs, and need new features from ODL SFC, and the best way to handle that will be to use SFC Be 16:21:42 ebrjohn - ODL Be will barely be out by Feb/2 16:21:45 ebrjohn: I think the Beryllium release date is too close 16:22:20 formal release date is 2/4 for Beryllium, RC0 is 1/7 16:22:29 OPNFV is 2/2 16:23:15 Guys - need to leave now. 16:23:17 there's a month between the 2 releases, right? and ODL releases first 16:23:47 trozet: what's tjat jira link for? Its an empty jira page, should I enter something there? 16:24:15 ebrjohn: Requirement: OpenDaylight Lithium release support 16:24:25 Ahh, its all in the title 16:24:34 ebrjohn: I don't think Beryllium is an option 16:24:43 Would that then exclude OPNFV SFC from Genesis? 16:25:00 ebrjohn: so since Tacker is not allowed as part of an installer, i dont think that is a valid requirement either 16:25:11 ebrjohn: no it doesn't, just that requirement 16:25:30 Well, we're going to need ODL SFC Be. 16:25:38 ebrjohn: we could still do the requirement for OVS with NSH, if no one on the genesis team is against that proposal? 16:25:44 * ebrjohn Be => Beryllium 16:26:14 ebrjohn: well in that case then yeah I don't think we will ship B-release with Be 16:26:22 Ok, I dont understand how that would work... Would we use Genesis for part of the installation, and something else for the rest of it??? 16:26:31 Seems kind-of strange to me 16:27:03 ebrjohn: genesis creates requirements that installers would have to support 16:27:11 ebrjohn: so by default installers would have to install Lithium 16:27:32 ebrjohn: perhaps you can engage with a specific installer to install Be as an option, but I don't think the Genesis team will make that a requirement 16:27:43 frankbrockners, Jonas2: do you agree? 16:27:52 I thinkn Jonas had to leave 16:28:09 BTW, I have to leave now, too 16:28:12 trozet: Yes - for now support of Be in Brahmaputra is unlikely 16:28:21 yeah we are far past the end of meeting time 16:28:31 ebrjohn: lets bring this up in another meeting 16:29:01 ok - which brings us to the end of the agenda for today.. 16:29:08 thank you everyone! 16:29:09 ok, thanks, and we'll talk to you later then 16:29:17 #endmeeting