13:58:46 #startmeeting OPNFV TSC 13:58:46 Meeting started Tue Sep 29 13:58:46 2015 UTC. The chair is ChrisPriceAB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:58:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:58:46 The meeting name has been set to 'opnfv_tsc' 13:58:52 #topic roll call 13:59:01 #info Chris Price 13:59:13 #chair rpaik 13:59:13 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik 13:59:41 #info Uli Kleber 13:59:44 #info dlenrow 13:59:45 #info Bertrand Souville (Proxy for Ashiq) 14:00:10 #info Tapio Tallgren 14:01:32 #info Frank Brockners 14:01:49 #info Bryan Sullivan 14:01:57 #topic Agenda Bashing 14:02:02 #info chenshuai 14:02:07 #info Morgan Richomme 14:02:08 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc TSC agenda 14:02:33 #info Dirk Kutscher 14:03:03 #info rprakash 14:03:53 #info The topic for PTL stand-in's for vacation and or other out-of-office reasons has been raised. 14:04:01 #info dneary (representing cdub) 14:04:14 # info Parviz Yegani 14:04:15 #agree on previous minutes due to lack of commnets/objections 14:04:33 #info Parviz Yegani 14:04:49 now have quorum 14:04:54 #topic OPNFV release artifacts discussion 14:04:59 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/brahmaputra/release_artifacts_discussion 14:05:27 #info The above link summarises the discussion thus far around what we release as OPNFV at a release date. 14:06:50 #info The feedback from the community is that the current approach requires significant effort and there is a desire to simplify our release engineering effort 14:07:16 #optins are covered in the WiKi with a range of approaches as described as options for Brahmaputra 14:07:37 #info options are covered in the WiKi with a range of approaches as described as options for Brahmaputra 14:07:38 #info Mark Beierl 14:10:14 #info frankbrockners asks for TSC votes on preferences for release vehicles in Brahmaputra 14:11:03 frankbrockners, Are you asking for a final vote, or are you looking for a straw poll to evaluate where TSC members stand? 14:13:11 isn't this something the board needs to discuss? I mean maintenance of prior releases 14:17:05 IMO, the install script is the most flexible approach. I have found issues trying to use the ISO. I don 14:17:23 t think the ISO is actually used in our PODS, right? 14:18:07 Installers *have* to provide the script, and the ISO should be optional. 14:18:19 ChrisPriceAB, cdub has joined - he has the Red Hat now 14:18:30 Create Web poll. Do offline? 14:19:03 #info this seems like an important decision, perhaps we need more discussion? 14:19:05 #info the following vote will be based on the presented order of options on the wiki page https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/brahmaputra/release_artifacts_discussion 14:19:10 ISO could be good if the PODs don't have access to the internet 14:19:15 are we ready to vote right now, or do we need any wider discussion? I'm not sure all aspects/implications of these options have been fully discussed 14:19:37 from a user perspective... 14:19:41 dlenrow: #vote 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c 14:20:14 #agree with Brian, need more discussion on this 14:20:40 * bryan_att is sorry to for not reviewing this before - didn't know or recall that it had been out there so long... 14:21:26 ChrisPriceAB, You can have options other than +1, 0, -1 in a vote - 1a to 2c should work 14:21:44 can we vote for only one one option - everything else is optional? 14:22:23 the script can leverage a local repo as well 14:22:27 even the iso will need internet, afaik 14:22:39 aricg-: 14:22:49 a local repo has been under discussion as a solution for those with internet access issues 14:22:50 aricg-: Not for Fuel at the current point in time at least. 14:22:54 #startvote What is the TSC's preference for release artifacts in Brahmaputra? (1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, 0) 14:22:54 Begin voting on: What is the TSC's preference for release artifacts in Brahmaputra? Valid vote options are , 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, 0, . 14:22:54 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:23:00 Why is this a TSC meeting vote? It's a community info poll. TSC vote is to make a specific decision. 14:23:07 no 14:23:14 you need an ISO for internetless installs of FUEL 14:23:25 #info Kevin Luehrs (LSOAPI) 14:23:28 and even with scripted installs, you need to have the media (and ISO) being produced 14:23:43 #endvote 14:23:43 Voted on "What is the TSC's preference for release artifacts in Brahmaputra?" Results are 14:24:10 #action Chris will start the vote on the TSC mailing list for TSC members to provide preferences in an e-mail vote. 14:24:13 Lets move this thing forward. As Frank said its been in play for 3 weeks. 14:24:18 what are we really waiting for? 14:24:47 #info the vote will end EoB (PST) this Friday. 14:26:29 #topic Arno SR1 status 14:26:54 #info The SR1 activity is ongoing with regular check-in's. 14:27:00 Please clarify any questions before the vote closes. 14:27:02 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/arno/stablerelease_1 14:27:46 #info There are remaining issues with the overall pipeline. The installers work however there are issues with the sequencing of events through the CI pipeline. 14:28:18 #info we will not be able to release SR1 today given the current status of the overall system. 14:28:22 I would be useful to get the opinion of the BGS members / main contributors on the options... note them on the wiki. The rest of us are less aware of how hard each option is to do/maintain. We can chime in from a user perspective but actually maintaining these things is another matter. 14:29:51 +1 to following the recommendation of BGS 14:29:53 we are trying to improve reproducibility/repeatability of deploys and tests to improve overall reliability 14:30:17 #info the recommendation from the SR1 team is to allow a few more days to stabilize the pipeline. 14:30:35 #agree The TSC agrees to the delay in order to secure stability for SR1. 14:30:53 #topic Brahmaputra Milestone C decision 14:31:24 #info Debra reports that as of this morning 38 projects have reported, one project has pulled out of Brahmaputra, and one project pending a report. 14:32:09 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/brahmaputra/release_plan Milestone C report and Brahmaputra plan 14:32:40 #info no projects are reporting Red. Some concerns around resourcing or dependencies that are seen to be non-blocking 14:33:30 #info Debra recommends that given the status of the Milestone C input the TSC votes to pass Milestone C. 14:34:26 #agree The TSC agrees by consensus to pass Milestone C. 14:35:57 #topic Election processes and improvement opportunities 14:36:22 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/election_proposal wiki proposing ideas to improve our election process 14:36:49 #info dneary outlines some of the feedback received after our previous round of community voting. 14:43:29 the key question is what is the bar for "active" - if we were using the committer role as typical then we would not be having this problem of having to expand the voter pool 14:43:57 we need to apply more discipline to the committer lists 14:49:34 can someone publish stats on how many "inactive" committers voted? (needs a strawman criteria for "active")? This would help address the concern that the active community was not accurately represented. 14:51:43 I like the proposal. 14:52:01 * frankbrockners likes the proposal as well 14:52:33 I like the inclusion of the full anonymized results for voting. there is no reason I can think of why we should hide these details 14:53:08 Voter pool should also be listed somewhere - on a wiki or something - with their statement of why they are on the ticket 14:53:28 #action dneary to lead a community discussion on what an Active Technical Contributor means prior to the TSC voting on a bylaw changes in this area. 14:55:05 could we do a quick time check? 14:55:11 5 more min left 14:55:14 * dneary is done 14:55:51 Brian states he will remain silent for the rest of the call :D 14:56:03 8) 14:56:40 * bryan_att sorry for belaboring the point - but correcting our use of the process is easier than changing the process (bylaws) 14:56:45 By some definition of active, more than half of current candidates are not active 14:57:52 #action dneary to construct a concrete proposal for runnign future elections for the TSC to vote on next week. 14:58:39 #topic Upcoming "meet-ups" - openflow world congress 14:58:46 what happend to the committer removal topic? 14:58:58 * ChrisPriceAB next week sorry... 14:59:16 I will take it to the lists this week in any case. 15:00:24 #info heather proposes we schedule a dinner at the dusseldorf mini-summit in lieu of having a venue for a meet-up. 15:01:04 ChrisPriceAB, Proposals broken out now - looking OK? https://wiki.opnfv.org/election_proposal 15:01:53 #info Dave has updated the election proposal to break out individual proposals 15:01:58 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/election_proposal 15:02:16 Thanks Dave!!! Let's get feedback on that and conclude next week 15:02:42 #action rpaik to send a request for a vote to the TSC mailing list around the change of the wiki tool. 15:02:45 #endmeeting