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| jki | hi all | 13:00 |
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| pave1 | Hi! | 13:00 |
| iwamatsu_ | hello | 13:01 |
| masami | hello | 13:01 |
| uli | hello | 13:01 |
| jki | then let's go | 13:01 |
| jki | #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting | 13:02 |
| collab-meetbot | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 13:02:03 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| collab-meetbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| collab-meetbot | The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' | 13:02 |
| *** collab-meetbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 13:02 | |
| jki | #topic AI review | 13:02 |
| *** collab-meetbot changes topic to "AI review (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 13:02 | |
| jki | - draft CVE handling process for CIP kernel [Jan] | 13:02 |
| jki | just shared a draft with the core group | 13:02 |
| jki | thanks for first feedback already, still need to read :) | 13:02 |
| pave1 | Yep, you have some replies :-). | 13:02 |
| pave1 | Not sure why we are talking about CVEs in the first place. | 13:03 |
| jki | plan would be to put something on the wall during out Summit next week, then discuss | 13:03 |
| pave1 | For kernel, CVEs are just another identifier for stable kernel patches. | 13:03 |
| jki | right | 13:03 |
| jki | will also try to make that clear | 13:04 |
| pave1 | So you'll get stuff like "CVE-1" for kernel, and then have "CVE-2" that reverts "CVE-1". Fun :-). | 13:04 |
| jki | still, we have our tracker list, and we already heard more than once that it is considered very valuable | 13:04 |
| jki | everything an happen, but I would not expect that to happen with every second CVE ;) | 13:05 |
| pave1 | This will be with about 1% of them. | 13:05 |
| jki | examples always welcome | 13:05 |
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| jki | also to document where information is lost - and think about how annotation needs to be to reduce that risk | 13:06 |
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| jki | btw, no one expects upstream or the CIP kernel to be perfect in this, we should "just" apply best practices | 13:07 |
| jki | ok - please provide further feedback that should go into the discussion on Thursday upfront | 13:08 |
| jki | or speak up then ;) | 13:08 |
| jki | no other AIs on my list | 13:08 |
| pave1 | I'm not sure what the goal here is. | 13:08 |
| pave1 | We don't _want_ to have 0 CVEs for cip-4.4 kernel... | 13:08 |
| jki | document out process for paper work, would be one thing | 13:08 |
| jki | we will never have 0 CVEs in anything | 13:09 |
| pave1 | ...because that would mean buggy kernel. | 13:09 |
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| jki | please do not expect additional pressure on maintainers from writing down how things work | 13:09 |
| patersonc | It's not only about the "CVE". It's about making sure that we are fixing known bugs in our kernels right? | 13:10 |
| jki | patersonc: you first of all asked about CVEs ;) | 13:10 |
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| pave1 | I guess we should talk in person. | 13:11 |
| jki | but, yes, bug handling in general is important too | 13:11 |
| patersonc | I did - but it's just because we have tooling tracking the CVEs, we don't have tooling tracking every upstream fix | 13:11 |
| patersonc | Although every upstream fix is a CVE now.. | 13:11 |
| pave1 | patersonc: I believe priority is a) not add new bugs, and b) given a), fix some bugs. | 13:11 |
| jki | in theory, surely not in practice | 13:11 |
| jki | and some bug fixes really don't deserve CVEs, but they should still be in stable | 13:12 |
| pave1 | patersonc: Fortunately not every upstream fix. When things are applied to _stable_, they will get CVE identifier. | 13:12 |
| pave1 | patersonc: If it does not apply to stable (patch failed), I'd expect it is just dropped. | 13:13 |
| jki | paveL: functional fixes that do not address security aspects will not get CVEs (or will get them revoked) | 13:13 |
| pave1 | jki: I believe the policy is "if it is a bug fix it gets an CVE" and then "if someone tries to revoke the CVE we may do that". | 13:14 |
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| pave1 | jki: stable team is pretty clear about not deciding about security when assigning CVEs. | 13:14 |
| jki | pavel: already due to the fact that some fixing commit may pull preperatory commits you do not have a 1:1 between stable commit and CVE | 13:16 |
| pave1 | jki: I'm not claiming 1:1 between stable commits and CVEs. | 13:17 |
| jki | but I think we should really continue this on Thursday :) | 13:17 |
| pave1 | jki: I'm saying that "admin can crash his own machine" will get an CVE. | 13:17 |
| pave1 | jki: yes. | 13:17 |
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| jki | #topic Kernel maintenance updates | 13:18 |
| *** collab-meetbot changes topic to "Kernel maintenance updates (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 13:18 | |
| uli | i'm working on 4.4 | 13:18 |
| pave1 | I'm reviewing 6.12.42 and .43. | 13:19 |
| masami | This week reported 118 new CVEs and 6 updated CVEs. | 13:19 |
| iwamatsu_ | I am reviewing 6.12.42. and I released 510.y-cip and 6.1.y-cip. | 13:19 |
| pave1 | ...and renesas patches. SPI and camera, camera is 55 patches. | 13:19 |
| jki | anything to add? | 13:21 |
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| jki | #topic Kernel release status | 13:21 |
| *** collab-meetbot changes topic to "Kernel release status (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 13:21 | |
| jki | everything green | 13:21 |
| jki | any issues ahead? | 13:22 |
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| jki | #topic Kernel testing | 13:22 |
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| patersonc | Arisu's KernelCI PR has now been merged, adding initial test support for CIP kernels | 13:23 |
| patersonc | Hopefully it will push out to production soon | 13:23 |
| patersonc | There are some known issues with booting the arm32 devices, but this seems to be a kernel config issu | 13:23 |
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| patersonc | I'll update more on the specifics next week | 13:24 |
| jki | more test topics? | 13:26 |
| patersonc | Not from me | 13:26 |
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| jki | #topic AOB | 13:27 |
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| jki | first of all: we have the mini summit next week, this time, thus no irc meeting | 13:28 |
| jki | skip, or should we shift? | 13:28 |
| uli | skip it, imo | 13:29 |
| patersonc | +1 | 13:29 |
| pave1 | I believe skip. We'l have enough meetings next week :-) | 13:29 |
| iwamatsu_68 | +1 | 13:29 |
| jki | exactly :) | 13:29 |
| jki | but... should he have a lunch meetup as kernel WG again? | 13:30 |
| jki | who will be there at all? | 13:30 |
| uli | o/ | 13:30 |
| patersonc | o/ | 13:30 |
| pave1 | o/ | 13:30 |
| iwamatsu_68 | I am not there... | 13:31 |
| jki | if you like to meet, I would suggest the Wednesday lunch slot | 13:31 |
| jki | meet at CIP booth | 13:31 |
| jki | ? | 13:33 |
| patersonc | Sounds tasty | 13:33 |
| jki | ok, be there if you like and can | 13:34 |
| jki | any other topics for today? | 13:34 |
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| jki | #endmeeting | 13:35 |
| collab-meetbot | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 13:35:57 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:35 |
| collab-meetbot | Minutes: http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/2025/08/cip.2025-08-21-13.02.html | 13:35 |
| collab-meetbot | Minutes (text): http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/2025/08/cip.2025-08-21-13.02.txt | 13:35 |
| collab-meetbot | Log: http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/2025/08/cip.2025-08-21-13.02.log.html | 13:35 |
| *** collab-meetbot changes topic to "Civil Infrastructure Platform Project. CIP mailing list at https://lists.cip-project.org/g/cip-dev | CIP kernel meeting every Thursday at 13:00 UTC | Find the meeting logs at https://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/ and chat logs at https://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/logs/%23cip/" | 13:35 | |
| uli | thanks | 13:36 |
| pave1 | Thank you, and have a good trip! | 13:36 |
| masami | thank you | 13:36 |
| iwamatsu_68 | Thank you | 13:36 |
| jki | thanks! | 13:36 |
| jki | safe trips! | 13:36 |
| patersonc | cheers | 13:36 |
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