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| jki | hi all | 12:00 |
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| iwamatsu | hello | 12:00 |
| uli | hello | 12:00 |
| patersonc | Hi | 12:00 |
| jki | ok, let's start already | 12:01 |
| jki | #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting | 12:01 |
| collab-meetbot` | Meeting started Thu Jun 11 12:01:27 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| collab-meetbot` | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| collab-meetbot` | The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' | 12:01 |
| *** collab-meetbot` changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 12:01 | |
| jki | #topic AI review | 12:01 |
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| jki | I had nothing noted | 12:01 |
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| jki | #topic Kernel maintenance updates | 12:02 |
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| uli | i pushed 4.4 | 12:02 |
| iwamatsu | I reviewed 6.12.90 | 12:02 |
| jki | "This week reported 63 new CVEs and 7 updated CVEs." - masami | 12:04 |
| jki | anything else to add? | 12:04 |
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| jki | #topic Kernel release status | 12:05 |
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| jki | all on track, 6.1 (both) will be next | 12:05 |
| jki | still no 6.1-rt-stable, I suppose... | 12:05 |
| jki | anything else to add? | 12:06 |
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| jki | #topic Kernel testing | 12:06 |
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| jki | https://lava.ciplatform.org/scheduler/worker/lab-cip-siemens-muc is green again | 12:07 |
| patersonc | Thanks | 12:07 |
| patersonc | Not testing related, but I'm working with gitlab to get our license renewed | 12:07 |
| patersonc | No other updates | 12:08 |
| jki | if there is nothing more on testing, then move on... | 12:08 |
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| jki | #topic AOB | 12:09 |
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| jki | there were 1 or 2 repos without licenses related to the kernel... | 12:09 |
| jki | cip-kernel/lts-commit-list was one | 12:10 |
| jki | still unsure about just pushing GPL or first asking TSC | 12:10 |
| jki | patersonc: who should delete cip-kernel/cip-kernel-tests? | 12:11 |
| iwamatsu | I think the original license for this data is GPLv2. Therefore, the license for this repository will also be GPLv2. | 12:11 |
| jki | if that is true, we cannot deviate anyway | 12:12 |
| jki | iwamatsu: would you push a license file then so that gitlab is identifying it? | 12:12 |
| iwamatsu | OK | 12:13 |
| patersonc | cip-kernel/cip-kernel-tests should be okay now. I pushed a license to it. I'm happy to delete it though if it's not needed | 12:13 |
| jki | GPLv2 or GPLv2+? | 12:13 |
| jki | patersonc: it's confusing as the real repo is under cip-testing | 12:13 |
| jki | same name | 12:14 |
| patersonc | Shall I just delete cip-kernel/cip-kernel-tests? | 12:14 |
| jki | I would say, yes | 12:14 |
| patersonc | Done | 12:15 |
| jki | thanks | 12:15 |
| jki | iwamatsu: do you also know if we should use GPLv2+ for the other repo? | 12:15 |
| patersonc | So just lts-commit-list remaining now. Plus a couple of non-code task-only projects that break the GitLab tooling (working with gitlab on this) | 12:15 |
| jki | some scripts are v2+ IIRC | 12:16 |
| iwamatsu | I don't know now. | 12:16 |
| patersonc | I can do it if you want? | 12:17 |
| jki | do what? | 12:17 |
| patersonc | Add the license to lts-commit-list | 12:18 |
| patersonc | Gitlab has a template for GPL v2, not v2+. But easy to copy in 2+ if that's what you want | 12:18 |
| jki | the point is first of all identifying the required license | 12:19 |
| patersonc | ok | 12:19 |
| jki | although v2+ allows us to pin to v2-only as well | 12:19 |
| jki | we would simply push the right text as COPYING file commit, and gitlab should recognize that | 12:20 |
| iwamatsu | I will proceed with that work. | 12:23 |
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| jki | thanks! you were the initial committer anyway, just found out ;) | 12:23 |
| jki | good | 12:23 |
| jki | then maybe give pavel a change to catch up - we are already in AOB | 12:24 |
| pav3l | I am late, sorry. | 12:24 |
| jki | anything you want to add from other topics? | 12:24 |
| pav3l | I did reviews. 6.12.92 and .93. | 12:24 |
| pav3l | And it looks like this cycle is really a bit different, as we are pretty late | 12:24 |
| pav3l | and there are still big series flying around. | 12:25 |
| pav3l | Other than that, not much to report. | 12:25 |
| jki | did you ping regarding 6.1-rt? | 12:25 |
| pav3l | Not yet, sorry. | 12:25 |
| jki | will be due now for us very soon | 12:25 |
| jki | ok | 12:25 |
| jki | then maybe switch to the AI review topic | 12:26 |
| jki | uli: thanks again for the write-up | 12:26 |
| uli | np | 12:26 |
| jki | anyone else has comments / ideas regarding it? | 12:26 |
| jki | patersonc: I suppose our AWS account would be able to cover some instances with GPUs as well, right? | 12:27 |
| patersonc | Probably | 12:28 |
| patersonc | If we want to pay lots :P | 12:28 |
| jki | cost-wise, we would obviously be prepared to handle any overrun as CIP | 12:28 |
| jki | uli: do you have an idea about what would match your needs from the AWS offerings? | 12:29 |
| uli | i haven't looked into aws yet | 12:29 |
| jki | we will need some rough math on costs when running this, even when just for some weeks | 12:29 |
| jki | ...first | 12:29 |
| jki | advantage might be that his should be able to be started and stopped as needed | 12:30 |
| patersonc | Maybe LF has a central service of some kind | 12:30 |
| patersonc | Maybe we need to get Google or someone similar to join the project and get free tokens ;) | 12:30 |
| jki | regular LF IT will likely be too costly | 12:31 |
| jki | getting tokens means also buying into specific commercial models | 12:31 |
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| jki | we could try that as well, later on, and specifically if there something comming via Glasswing | 12:32 |
| jki | but the first idea would be replicating uli's setup for shared use | 12:32 |
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| uli | what would be an acceptable budget anyway? like per month? | 12:32 |
| jki | I would have not problem to ask for, say, 10K first, and we see how far we would get with it | 12:33 |
| jki | days, weeks, or some month - and then we can check again the value and make a real plan | 12:34 |
| uli | the only option i have looked at so far (except for pay-as-you-go stuff like vast.ai) is a server from hetzner for 800 something per month (96 GB VRAM) | 12:34 |
| jki | likely days would be too short, though ;) | 12:34 |
| uli | +2000 or 3000 (don't remember) setup or therabouts | 12:34 |
| jki | additional supplier may complicate a quick setup, I guess | 12:35 |
| uli | yeah, i expected that... | 12:35 |
| jki | that's why I thought of AWS - we have our credit card registered | 12:35 |
| jki | further thoughts? | 12:36 |
| patersonc | Thank you for the good analysis uli | 12:37 |
| uli | happy to help | 12:38 |
| jki | https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/g5/ - this sounds... expensive :) | 12:38 |
| uli | i have difficulties parsing that web site | 12:40 |
| pav3l | You can click and talk to their "certainly not halucinating" AI assistent :) | 12:40 |
| jki | there are also special inference instances, but probably with special accelerators | 12:42 |
| jki | known to work is something with NVIDIA or AMD, I suppose | 12:42 |
| jki | sooo may different instance types, easily losing overview | 12:42 |
| uli | you want nvidia. everything else theoretically works but in practice is a pain | 12:43 |
| uli | especially intel | 12:43 |
| jki | https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/g7e/ ? | 12:44 |
| jki | "NVIDIA RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell Server Edition" | 12:44 |
| patersonc | https://instances.vantage.sh/aws/ec2/g5.12xlarge?currency=USD&duration=annually | 12:44 |
| jki | 5k/h - hmm, that would be short fun with my 10K | 12:45 |
| pav3l | jki: That's likely $5/h, right? | 12:47 |
| pav3l | jki: It is US, so dot is decimal dot. | 12:47 |
| jki | yeah, dot-confusions | 12:47 |
| jki | sound much better | 12:47 |
| uli | https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/gex131/ 1k/month incl vat | 12:47 |
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| jki | uli: that can still be an option once we know we want to run that 24/7 | 12:48 |
| jki | ...or have to | 12:48 |
| jki | I would go for some on-demand first, if possible, also to play with instance sizes | 12:48 |
| uli | in that case vast.ai might be an option. it's not super-reliable, but then i always choose the cheapest, most unreliable option there... :) | 12:48 |
| jki | or with new models | 12:48 |
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| jki | looks a bit cheaper, if I chose the right comparison, but not by factors, right? | 12:50 |
| uli | it's actually even a bit more expensive than the hetzner option, but then you can get everything by the hour there | 12:50 |
| uli | and no setup fees | 12:51 |
| jki | my point is what would be easiest for us to start playing, also from account handling perspective | 12:51 |
| jki | I don't want anyone to swipe their personal credit cards here | 12:52 |
| jki | what speaks against trying out an EC2 instance first on our existing account? later, we could check what is needed to use other hosters as well | 12:53 |
| uli | for me that's ok | 12:55 |
| jki | then I would still ask for a 10K reserve from TSC->Board so that we have some buffer in case we overshoot the AWS grants | 12:57 |
| jki | anything else for today? | 12:57 |
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| jki | #endmeeting | 12:58 |
| collab-meetbot` | Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 12:58:30 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:58 |
| collab-meetbot` | Minutes: http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/2026/06/cip.2026-06-11-12.01.html | 12:58 |
| collab-meetbot` | Minutes (text): http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/2026/06/cip.2026-06-11-12.01.txt | 12:58 |
| collab-meetbot` | Log: http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/cip/2026/06/cip.2026-06-11-12.01.log.html | 12:58 |
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| jki | thanks! | 12:58 |
| uli | thanks | 12:58 |
| pav3l | Thank you! | 12:58 |
| patersonc | Cheers | 12:58 |
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| iwamatsu | thank you | 13:00 |
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