Thursday, 2026-09-17

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jkihi!11:59
pave1Hi!11:59
iwamatsuHello11:59
masamihello11:59
patersoncHey12:00
jki#startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting12:00
collab-meetbot`Meeting started Thu Sep 17 12:00:42 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:00
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collab-meetbot`The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting'12:00
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jki#topic AI review12:00
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jkinone (I had an AI, but it's already done)12:01
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jki#topic Kernel maintenance updates12:01
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masamiThis week reported 706 new CVEs and 71 updated CVEs.12:01
pave1I was doing reviews. 6.12.109, 110. .110 is huge.12:01
iwamatsuI reviewed 6.12.102 and 10312:02
jkisounds like it es getting harder and harder to keep up with that pace12:03
pave1Yep :-(.12:04
jkido we need more reviewers earlier?12:04
jkitopic for the CIP MiniSummit?12:04
jkiare there stats if our reviews also find more?12:04
jkirelatively or absolutely?12:04
pave1I'd say so. And we need infrastructure to coordinate reviews better, as patches arrive for different versions at different times.12:05
jkidid you do any upfront coordination so far, or was that basically this slot here?12:05
pave1No such stats :-(.12:06
pave1We had git to coordinate with uli, but it did not work too well.12:06
patersoncI saw that 7.2.6 had over 1800 patches, on an rc release on Sat morning. Not sure how that was ever expected to have a manual review before the release on Monday...12:06
jkihmm...12:07
pave1Ideally, we would track changes by their upstream id, with some support to flag how it was reviewed for different versions.12:07
jkiin git?12:08
jkior where?12:08
pave1...and warnings if patch is actually different from what is in the upstream.12:08
pave1...and notes about LLM reviews and such.12:08
pave1Dunno. Git is good for offline work, web interface would also make a sense.12:08
pave1I guess we have CIP minisummit topic.12:09
jkiyou need to operate it, so you should tell12:09
jkibut I will record that for discussions in Prague12:10
pave1Someone needs to design and implement that, too :-).12:10
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pave1It might make sense to allow outside contributions, too.12:10
jkialso AI? :)12:10
iwamatsuIt is true that there are no good tools available right now.12:11
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pave1I guess this is a place where LLM would fit, yes.12:11
jkiwould indeed be a nice chance for more contributors to the CIP kernel12:12
jkibut we need to be able to express requirements on it12:12
jkigood...12:12
pave1And outside human contributors. (Or perhaps contributions from CIP members.)12:12
jkimore on maintenance?12:12
jkisure12:13
jkilet's move on12:13
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jki#topic Kernel release status12:13
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jkiall green now - thanks pavel12:14
jkiupcoming releases: 4.4 and 6.1212:14
jki(based on due dates)12:14
pave1:-). 5.10-rt has very regular releases, which helps.12:14
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jki#topic Kernel testing12:15
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patersoncHi12:15
patersoncStill seeing some issues with some qemu jobs in the stable-rc testing12:16
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patersoncNot got to the bottom of it yet12:16
pave1Yep. I retried old -rt kernel, and it still failed, so I decided failures on new -rt kernels are spurious and released anyway.12:17
jkiqemu issues due to long delays caused by an overloaded host?12:19
jkior functional, deterministic problems?12:19
patersoncI doubt it's due to an overloaded host tbh12:20
patersoncSeems to be a lava issue more than anything, but no idea why12:20
patersonce.g. https://lava.ciplatform.org/scheduler/job/150918712:20
jki"/lava-1509187/environment: No such file or directory" - infrastructure, no?12:21
jkialways on the same qemu device, or in the same lab?12:21
patersoncI don't think it's a specific lab - but need to run more tests to work it out for sure12:23
iwamatsusame issue has on siemens-muc https://lava.ciplatform.org/scheduler/job/150992512:23
jkimount: /lava-1509187: special device /dev/disk/by-uuid/b6a7ee8d-e0f5-46ba-9e18-286229ea2076 does not exist.12:23
jkimissing /dev/disk/...? missing kernel features? missing disk?12:24
jkisomeone needs to try that out manually, I guess12:24
jkibut if older kernels failed the same way, config can likely be excluded12:25
patersoncyea12:25
patersoncCould be related to the qemu version upgrade we did recently12:25
jkiif it only popped up recently - could be12:28
jkibut the muc lab was not updated yet IIRC12:28
iwamatsuIt looks like a file system issue. ext2 might be the problem.12:29
iwamatsuhttps://lava.ciplatform.org/scheduler/job/1509925#L101012:29
jkibut it says it does not find the block device12:30
jkinot "unknown / unsupported fs"12:30
jkithe muc lab is definitely still old QEMU, just confirmed12:31
jkibut we might be missing that extra disk in the qemu command line - for whatever reason12:31
jkithat would also explain the missing blockdev12:31
jkiwelllll - debug volunteers?12:32
iwamatsuI see.12:32
jkiotherwise, ask the AI ;)12:34
jkimore on testing?12:34
arisutAbout AI and testing this is the guide for using kci-dev with KernelCI mcp server https://kernelci.org/blog/2026/09/12/talk-to-kernelci-kci-dev-now-speaks-mcp/12:34
patersoncShould git in nicely with some LLM driven regression testing :)12:35
jkiindeed12:35
jkinice article, just distributed12:36
jkiwe need someone with time to see if we can safe time this way, I guess ;)12:37
jkimore testing topics?12:38
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jki#topic AOB12:38
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jkiSECURITY.md - did you see my patch?12:39
jkihttps://lore.kernel.org/cip-dev/a1cfc8d4-5fb7-4f75-9600-92ebd7dbbeda@siemens.com/12:39
jkiunless someone has a better idea, we likely need to place that into every active CIP kernel12:40
pave1There already is Documentation/admin-guide/security-bugs.rst .12:40
jkiLF asked us12:40
jkithat is not CIP related12:40
jkithis is not the upstream kernel, it is the CIP kernel, and it is differently managed12:41
pave1Yep, well, but we don't want to give our users two conflicting documents.12:41
jkiwe could, of course, also augment that file, likely in addition12:41
jkithe kernel's file is very hard to find, at least for humans12:42
pave1I'd say that for 6.12-cip, most security bugs will be in -stable, not in -cip code.12:42
iwamatsuHow about using a clear file name for the CIP document?12:42
jkipavel: please read my text12:42
pave1You can do ln -s Documentation/admin-guide/security-bugs.rst SECURITY.md12:43
jkiactually, I'm currently pointing to that security.rst already, but via kernel.org12:44
jkiso, we could replace it, and that link would still work12:44
jkior we augment it with a sentence that repeats bits of what I wrote in "Security Context"12:45
jkidoes that section make sense to you, BTW?12:45
jkianything missing or unclear?12:45
jkialso the rest of that file - please re-read and comment on the patch12:46
pave1Ok, lets do that over email?12:46
jkifine for me12:48
jkishould just not take forever, reporting obligations are in place now12:48
jki(for CIP with LF as steward)12:48
jkigood12:49
pave1well... my first impression is not good.12:49
pave1LF is not willing to list name or gpg key for the steward.12:49
pave1That seems to be doing ... bare minimum, not a real security.12:49
jkikernel list does not either12:49
jkiwe don't have a shared GPG key for our list as well12:50
jkiand on gitlab (or github), the platform is always a reader12:50
pave1I was under impression that security@kernel.org had key published, but I could be wrong.12:50
jkiI didn't find anything in their docs, but please check again12:51
jkikeys are tricky when you have multiple readers12:51
pave1security is tricky.12:51
jkiof course12:52
jkiso - as uli is not here, no support on llm review topics possible12:52
jkibut anything new to share about that?12:52
jkiif not, any other topcis for today?12:54
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jki#endmeeting12:54
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jkithanks all!12:54
pave1Thank you!12:54
iwamatsuThank  you.12:54
masamithank you12:54
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