Thursday, 2026-09-24

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ulihello12:00
jkihi all12:00
pave1Hi!12:01
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jki#startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting12:01
collab-meetbot`Meeting started Thu Sep 24 12:01:42 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:01
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jki#topic AI review12:01
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jki#topic Kernel maintenance updates12:02
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ulii worked on 4.412:02
pave1I'm reviewing 6.12.111 and 4.4-st12:02
jki"This week reported 603 new CVEs and 80 updated CVEs."12:02
iwamatsuI reivewed 6.12.104, and I am reviewing 6.12.105.12:03
jkipatch number remains high, as it seems12:03
pave1Yep. We are not at the beggining of cycle, so that was to be expected.12:04
jkianything to add?12:05
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jki#topic Kernel release status12:05
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jki6.12 is late12:05
iwamatsuFor 6.12.y, sorry for the delay. I am currently working on it.12:06
jkigood12:06
iwamatsuI am debugging test issues for qemu-arm.12:06
jki4.4 the same, I guess12:06
uliyes12:06
jkitest issues: infrastructure or kernel?12:07
iwamatsuinfrastructure.12:07
iwamatsuVirt machine does not support virtio based disk.12:08
jkiall runners, or only some?12:08
jkiah, that's the same issue we discussed last week?12:09
iwamatsuIt reproduces in all environments.12:09
iwamatsuyes.12:09
jkilocally working when invoking the images manually?12:10
jkiif not, I would look closer at the kernel configs12:10
iwamatsuIt doesn't work locally either.12:10
iwamatsuI think we need to modify the contents of the job.12:10
iwamatsuThere is a problem with the options passed to QEMU.12:11
jkivirtio disks must work - we actually use them in isar-cip-core as well12:11
jkibut those are lava controlled IIUC12:11
iwamatsuIf there is a problem, "if=virtio" is being specified; this does not work correctly with qemu-arm.12:12
patersoncThe only thing that has changed recently on the LAVA side was the qemu version upgrade12:12
jkithat's indeed different to isar-cip-core'S script12:13
jkiif=none there, separate disk device12:13
iwamatsuYes, it works with that setting.12:14
jkiwhat is if=virtio instantiating? virtio-scsi? we use legacy virtio-blk in isar-cip-core12:14
jkimaybe just missing configs for that variant12:15
jkibut we can debug offline, drop me a note if you need support12:15
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jkiregarding releases: next 4.4 is now, but also 4.4-rt soon12:16
jkiany other release issues?12:16
iwamatsuIt is likely virtio-blk.12:16
iwamatsujki: ok, thanks.12:16
jkiok, then let's move on...12:17
pave1I guess I'll wait for 4.4-cip to do -rt.12:17
jkiyep12:17
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jki#topic Kernel testing12:18
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arisutno updates here12:18
patersoncSorry12:18
patersoncI've been working on fixing some boots that were failing in kernelci12:19
arisutsomeone had time to test kci-dev with mcp ? https://kernelci.org/blog/2026/09/12/talk-to-kernelci-kci-dev-now-speaks-mcp/12:19
patersoncThey have been upgrading all of the rootfs'12:19
arisutworking on fixing kernelci dashboard for kci-dev12:19
patersoncI had a quick go with kci-dev mcp to help debug :)12:19
arisutoh nice! how was ?12:20
patersoncWorked well, thank you12:20
patersoncI used the kernelci.org hosted server12:20
arisut:)12:20
jkiI saw Uli mentioning lava in the context of llm tooling as well12:20
patersoncLLMs can use lavacli quite successfully. There was talk of a LAVA MCP server being worked on as well12:21
ulimy concern was how that factors into what kind of hardware we need to run things12:21
jkimore on testing?12:23
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jki#topic AOB12:24
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jkiseveral points on my list12:24
jkisecurity.md - everyone already had a look?12:25
iwamatsuI am reading it now.12:25
jkione open point is the disclosure timeline section12:25
iwamatsuI will reply by mail.12:26
jkiperfect12:26
ulilooks good to me12:26
jkibtw, timeline is not as hectic as I first thought: reporting obligations for stewards only start in 202712:27
pave1Good.12:27
jkibut we should still have this file in place a bit earlier ;)12:27
jkibefore anyone from the upstream kernel complains about misrouted vulnerability reports12:28
pave1I guess major question is "separate file" or "integrate it into kernel document".12:28
jkiyep, that as well, though more editorial12:28
jkiSECURITY.md would then just be a link12:29
jkiok, more on that?12:29
jkithen llm: uli already shared a long update - any questions, additions?12:30
pave1I believe we should stay with self-hosted solution, even if it may be more expensive short-term.12:31
pave1I believe it will be better long-term.12:31
jkido we need the own server also for more than running the model itself?12:31
jkimeans, are there technically needs to have a gateway?12:31
jkimid-term, I would really love to have at least experiments with alternative models or hostings, to base the way forward on data12:32
jkiplus, of course, concerns regarding independence12:32
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ulii'm going to rent a vast.ai instance with some serious hardware for the next review cycle, just to see how that goes12:33
patersoncFun12:34
jkiuli: do you need something to cover this via your contract?12:34
ulii'll check how much that is going to cost first, for a one-off it might not be worth the effort12:35
jkijust let us know - it can take time, as you have seen ;)12:35
jkibut I guess all that could will also be a discussion point for the mini summit12:35
jkiyou talk, uli, will perfectly set the stage, I guess :)12:36
ulii hope so :)12:36
jkiregarding mini summit, topics so far12:36
jki- next cip kernel12:37
jki- effort increases12:37
jki- more hands in 202712:37
jkianything else you want me to bring up?12:37
jkiuli, pavel, a rough forcast for 2027 would also be helpful when budget discussions start12:38
jkidoes anything change in your rates or availability etc.12:38
pave1I don't expect any changes.12:38
jkiI would then "just" add another engineering resource to the equation, details for general discussion12:39
jkimore topcis for the summit?12:39
jkiI'm asking today already due to my last AOB: I need someone to run the meeting next week12:40
pave1we may want to discuss better ways to coordinate reviews12:41
iwamatsu+112:41
pave1currently, if uli did backport for 4.4, for example, it would be reasonable to assume that12:41
pave1the patch looks good for him, so perhaps I don't need to review it for 6.1... or review12:42
pave1it as much for 6.1, but that would require some coordination point.12:42
jkiis that more a topic for a face-to-face sync, or also for the wider (mini summit / tsc) audience?12:42
pave1face-to-face, I guess.12:42
jkiwe can have a break-out lunch again, if you like12:43
jkididn't check the agenda yet when that would be best12:43
jkiTuesday, before the summit?12:44
jkibtw, is everyone here attending in person?12:45
ulii would probably not be able to be there before it starts. bus arrives in florenc at 13:05...12:45
jkiok12:46
jkithen maybe do that Wednesday or Thursday?12:46
iwamatsuboth ok to me12:46
jkiI will drop a proposal - or remind me if I forget :)12:48
jkiso, who could run this meeting next week?12:48
pave1I can do that.12:48
jkithanks, pavel!12:49
jki<end-of-my-AOBs>12:49
pave1</my-AOBs> :-)12:49
jkianyone else anything?12:50
patersoncWhat happened with the -rc topic on the end?12:51
patersoncI forgot12:51
jkinot much, I suppose - don't recall either12:52
pave1I don't think it is good match for the way we use git.12:52
pave1We don't really put experimental patches in the trees.12:52
pave1...and already have way too many branches.12:52
patersoncFair enough12:54
jkiokay...12:55
patersoncI guess one option would be to have a linux-cip-rc repo, split off like stable does it12:55
patersoncBut it's up to you guys12:55
jkiit both depends on whether it a) helps the maintainers and/or b) attracts more feedback/contribution12:55
pave1a) is "I don't think so".12:56
pave1b) is "I don't believe we have many people using our git branches".12:56
jki...and b) would need to be more concrete than "let's see"12:56
jkiI could ask that question at our mini summit - not expecting immediate feedback, though12:57
jkibut that was the other point for the mini summit I forgot: how to involve CIP kernel users more?12:58
jkiconfigs, testing etc.12:58
jkinoted12:58
patersoncThe main point for me was to have our testing run _before_ we make releases12:58
pave1We are doing testing before we do releases.12:58
pave1We are actually testing after each commit.12:59
pave1(Or more precisely before each series is commited).12:59
jkiI need to run for the next meeting soon12:59
patersonconly in gitlab CI though, not in KernelCI12:59
jkiand my irc client will not roam me, so I can't run already13:00
pave1Yeah. Because the kernelCI was not usable last time we checked.13:00
pave1That has nothing to do with branches;13:00
pave1if we want better testing, it would be script that gets sha1 hash and then says either "ok" or "bad".13:01
patersoncNot usable in what way?13:01
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iwamatsuIf we want to run tests on a specific branch, we need to hook into branch updates.13:01
pave1We would really want to be able to test before pushing the series.13:02
patersoncThat's what all the changes Arisu-san made to kci-dev allow us to do13:02
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jkiok, back13:02
jkibut I really need to leave13:03
patersoncAnd kci-dev can then also be used to monitor the testing progress, if cmdline is preferred over the web dashboard13:03
patersoncjki: ha13:03
pave1If it works, I guess we should start using it, but I don't believe we need new branches for that.13:03
pave1I need to go, too.13:03
jkidiscussion for Prague as well?13:03
jkithen let's do that there :)13:03
jkiso ...13:03
pave1I guess so :-)13:03
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jki#endmeeting13:04
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patersoncThanks13:04
ulithanks13:04
pave1thank you!13:04
iwamatsuThank you13:04
jkithanks, see you in two weeks!13:05
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