13:00:01 <bryan_att> #startmeeting Acumos TSC Meeting
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13:00:01 <collabot`> The meeting name has been set to 'acumos_tsc_meeting'
13:00:15 <bryan_att> #chair bryan_att, aimeeu
13:00:15 <collabot`> Current chairs: aimeeu bryan_att
13:00:24 <bryan_att> #info Bryan Sullivan
13:02:00 <ofer> Hi, I'm here
13:02:47 <bryan_att> #info TSC attending Ofer, Jack,  Pantelis
13:03:03 <bryan_att> #info we don't have quorum yet
13:03:41 <bryan_att> #info Bsidu, ZTE, Tencent, TechM are not present
13:03:55 <bryan_att> #info we will agree minutes next time
13:04:03 <bryan_att> #topic Agenda
13:05:01 <bryan_att> #info Jamil Chawki
13:05:38 <aimeeu> #info Today is a holiday in China, so  TSC members from China are absent
13:05:44 <bryan_att> #info Jamil has deck to present under new items "Proposal for Delivering Release A"
13:05:56 <NAT> # Join
13:06:07 <NAT> # info NAT TechM
13:07:08 <bryan_att> #info  Topic Technical Community Document Review
13:08:00 <bryan_att> #info community will review and decide section by section
13:08:21 <bryan_att> #info Today we will talk about defining of roles
13:10:00 <bryan_att> #info we will start a new document "Acumos Technical Community Document"
13:10:53 <bryan_att> #info call for volunteers as editor of the new version of the document
13:12:01 <bryan_att> #info Bryan will work as editor and capture the agreements on the wiki, linked to the TSC main page
13:13:34 <bryan_att> #info today we will talk about roles Committer, Contributor, PTL
13:14:45 <bryan_att> #info Contributor: Jack reads current text from #link
13:15:55 <aimeeu> #link https://wiki.acumos.org/download/attachments/4653595/AcumosTechnicalCommunityDocument.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1524492799000&api=v2
13:16:05 <bryan_att> thanks
13:17:41 <bryan_att> #info Jack: we should clarify role of users (modelers, model users are not contributors in the sense here)
13:18:11 <bryan_att> #info no objection raised to the current text - it will be added to the wiki
13:18:41 <bryan_att> #info Jack: Committers bring in additional roles
13:19:38 <bryan_att> #info Jack summarizes the current committer description
13:20:47 <bryan_att> #info TSC members should provide comments to this section as needed over email
13:22:37 <bryan_att> #info Bryan: we will add good judgement guidelines to help people understand what is meant there
13:23:34 <bryan_att> #link https://wiki.acumos.org/display/AC/Code+Reviews?src=contextnavpagetreemode
13:24:34 <bryan_att> #info no comments or objections to this section at this time - the current text will be moved to the wiki
13:25:00 <bryan_att> #info Jack: summarizes the PTL section
13:25:23 <bryan_att> #link https://wiki.acumos.org/display/AC/PTL+Guide
13:26:22 <bryan_att> #info Ofer: PTL must be a committer
13:27:26 <bryan_att> #info Bryan: PTL's are typically active
13:29:04 <bryan_att> #info Bryan will start a thread on the detailed roles etc for PTL as described on the wiki (call for comments)
13:30:27 <bryan_att> #info Jack: these roles lead up to TSC membership, after the community transitions to elected TSC membership
13:31:16 <bryan_att> #info Ofer: how do we start with committers and PTLs
13:33:06 <bryan_att> #info Jack shows the section on committees
13:36:10 <bryan_att> #info Bryan describes process for getting initial committers and PTLs for projects, based upon the input on the wiki page #link https://wiki.acumos.org/display/AC/Acumos+Architecture+Mapping+to+Repos+Jira+etc
13:36:38 <bryan_att> #info Jack: will work with Bryan to structure and place current text we have reviewed on the wiki
13:41:14 <bryan_att> #info Bryan describes intent of agenda item "Update from Community (Product) Committee discussion on models uploaded to the Acumos AI portal and mandatory inclusion of license and copyright notices, and that model artifacts as downloaded also having these same notices."
13:43:15 <bryan_att> #info Scott: for models contributed to the LF instance, the contribuion is to the Acumos project and covered by it's rules
13:45:22 <bryan_att> Scott: models have to be contributed with license in the file or in the package
13:45:23 <jamil> Can we have a non open source model ?
13:45:55 <bryan_att> ask the question - Scott is talking about models contributed to the LF instance
13:46:27 <bryan_att> #info Jack: need to consider licensing of the metadata
13:47:00 <bryan_att> #info ... need to ensure that licensing guideines are clear
13:47:35 <bryan_att> #info Jamil: can there be non-open-source models shared thru the marketplace?
13:47:54 <bryan_att> #info Jack: yes, but that is different from models uploaded to the LF
13:49:42 <bryan_att> #info ... we will have to further discuss
13:52:51 <bryan_att> #info TSC agreed that we expect all models to have license, attribution, and trusted - not that we can 100% guarantee these things but the clear intent is that the comunity establishes processes to fulfill that intent as much as possible
13:52:54 <jamil> Yes we need to replace product by solution
13:53:22 <bryan_att> #info Topic update on committee kickoff and formation
13:54:08 <bryan_att> #info Ofer we updated the roles of the originally proposed committees
13:55:06 <bryan_att> #info Jack: we need to understand where the community requiriements come from
13:55:33 <bryan_att> #info Jamil: "product" is typically related to commercial things
13:56:03 <bryan_att> #info Bryan: the "product" here is the result of the community's work
13:58:55 <aimeeu> Community/Product subcommittee: #link https://wiki.acumos.org/display/ACCOM
13:59:39 <aimeeu> Community/Product subcommittee TSC charter page: #link https://wiki.acumos.org/display/TSC/Product+Committee
13:59:39 <bryan_att> #info Bryan: please review the info on the wiki at https://wiki.acumos.org/display/TSC/Architecture+Committee, https://wiki.acumos.org/display/TSC/Product+Committee, https://wiki.acumos.org/display/TSC/Security+Committee
14:00:45 <bryan_att> #info other agenda items will be deferred to next week
14:03:06 <bryan_att> #endmeeting