16:02:42 <GeorgLink> #startmeeting monthly CHAOSS meeting July 2018
16:02:42 <collabot> Meeting started Tue Jul 10 16:02:42 2018 UTC.  The chair is GeorgLink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:02:42 <collabot> The meeting name has been set to 'monthly_chaoss_meeting_july_2018'
16:03:11 <GeorgLink> #topic Conferences
16:04:38 <GeorgLink> #info CHAOSScon: nothing new. Schedule is set. Working on securing sponsorship.
16:05:56 <GeorgLink> #info currently 37 people registered for CHAOSScon
16:09:47 <GeorgLink> #info we have several sessions at the Open Source Summit North America full list: https://chaoss.community/community/
16:14:38 <GeorgLink> #info Other upcoming conferences: Open Source Summit Europe; Mozilla Festival; OpenStack Summit; Grace Hopper.
16:17:16 <GeorgLink> #info Why do we organize to go to conferences? Because many of us go anyway and it is little overhead to also promote CHAOSS and spread the word. Also, conferences are good for building community and getting new people engaged.
16:21:17 <GeorgLink> #topic Metrics
16:22:24 <GeorgLink> #info Discussion about our approach for defining and evaluating metrics. Should we have a more structured and empirical approach? Maybe a set of questions to be asked in the wild about specific metrics, how they are used and applied?
16:24:23 <GeorgLink> #info How can we 'scientifically' claim that our metrics do what we think they do? Defining metrics is basically coming up with hypotheses; Evaluating the metrics requires a second phase in the process. -- Maybe we are not there yet. How do we determine that metrics measure what they are supposed to measure? How do we know that they are valuable to people?
16:30:41 <GeorgLink> #info The discussion boils down to an argument for our process of how we determine which metrics we include in our categories.
16:42:21 <GeorgLink> #info The D&I workgroup has defined its own process that includes documenting the process, include references, and have expert validation.
16:43:06 <GeorgLink> #info Metrics to have value to non-developers, we need good stories around the metric; such meaningful metrics might have to be complex and composed of several metrics.
16:46:54 <GeorgLink> #metrics are not telling the full story but they can provide an indication for where to investigate qualitatively.
16:47:02 <GeorgLink> #info metrics are not telling the full story but they can provide an indication for where to investigate qualitatively.
16:47:32 <GeorgLink> #info How can we overcome the gap between metrics and their interpretation?
16:51:24 <GeorgLink> #topic Software Committee updates
16:51:45 <GeorgLink> #info New GrimoireLab versions coming with several new features: check them out.
16:53:07 <GeorgLink> #info Daniel German will share a new paper about Cregit.
16:53:29 <GeorgLink> #info Augur has an easier process for new users and several other new features.
16:55:45 <GeorgLink> #info For new software releases, we can use the CHAOSS website blog: https://github.com/chaoss/website
16:56:01 <GeorgLink> #topic OpenStack survey
16:56:44 <GeorgLink> #info We can be involved in the data analysis, requires a NDA with the OpenStack Foundation.
16:57:59 <GeorgLink> #info the survey will hopefully go live next week and the results should be analyzed by November for the OpenStack Summit :-)
17:00:01 <GeorgLink> #topic miscellaneous
17:00:16 <GeorgLink> #info shutdown wiki ... ?
17:03:40 <GeorgLink> #info We want to rename the mailing list to chaoss@lists.... (the move to group.io is cancelled)
17:03:49 <GeorgLink> #endmeeting