09:00:14 #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting 09:00:14 Meeting started Thu May 16 09:00:14 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szlin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:00:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:00:14 The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' 09:00:21 #topic rollcall 09:00:28 please say hi if you're here 09:00:31 hi 09:00:32 hi 09:00:33 hi 09:00:36 hi 09:00:49 hi 09:00:55 hi 09:01:05 hi 09:01:08 #topic AI review 09:01:12 AI: Send list of binary packages to cip-dev - kazu 09:01:27 See https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-May/002225.html 09:01:41 #info https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-May/002225.html 09:01:46 kazu_: thank you! 09:01:49 -> Done 09:01:55 #topic Kernel maintenance updates 09:02:23 iwamatsu: pave1 give the floor to you 09:02:47 I did some more reviews. 09:03:31 More importantly, I created scripts that allow me to tell when the same patch was reviewed in 4.4 / 4.19, so it is easier to mark it as already reviewed. 09:03:48 Results are in lts-commit-list repository. 09:03:55 Nice 09:03:56 pavel: thanks 09:04:14 We should at some point decide where to put such scripts. 09:04:37 pave1: thank you! 09:04:41 But from the conference call... it seems that more pressing issue is that we should actually do some kernel releases :-). 09:05:01 Ha 09:05:36 pave1: iwamatsu: I had a question about the patches from Fab 09:06:17 iwamatsu-san has asked Fab to do a v2 on the novel patches, however I think they have already been applied by pave1 09:06:29 How should we continue? 09:06:37 Yep, sorry about that. I guess I was a bit too quick there. 09:07:32 pavel: no problem. I guess we use force push. 09:07:41 No worries :) 09:08:00 pave1: could you share the script? not sure if you already did. 09:08:07 Okay. I'll ask Fab to repost the whole series then to make it easier for you. 09:08:39 iwamatsu: If we decide to rollback the repository, we should do it ASAP (because it will cause problems for people pulling it in the meantime). 09:09:03 patersonc: OK, thanks. 09:09:14 pave1: Agreed 09:09:21 We should work out a way to avoid this in future though. 09:09:39 pavel: Agree. I will rollback now 09:09:48 iwamatsu: Thanks! 09:10:34 any other topic? 09:10:36 szlin: Yes, I can. I guess easiest option would be to put it directly into lts-commit-list repository. 09:10:45 pave1: yes, please 09:10:51 szlin: ok ;-). 09:10:53 pave1: thank you for your great effort 09:11:02 pavel: and about your scirpt of reviewing, I think you can use -commit-list repository. 09:11:03 Ben shared the news with MDS and other speculation issues 09:11:07 #info https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-May/002305.html 09:11:09 pavel: OK 09:11:31 do we need to update microcode? 09:11:46 the latest seems old: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/28087/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File 09:12:20 sangorrin: If you run Intel CPUs in production then yes, microcode update is needed AFAICT. 09:13:01 ok, I will wait until it is published then 09:13:30 #action Upload check script to lts-commit-list repository - Pavel 09:13:41 any other topic? 09:13:54 3 09:13:55 2 09:13:56 1 09:14:02 ye 09:14:04 yes. 09:14:22 In the emails, there was a question when to do the -cip kernel releases. 09:14:46 I'd say it does not matter much _when_ we do it, as long as we do them relatively regulary. 09:14:57 But it sounds like we should do one now. 09:15:20 Agreed. 09:15:27 iwamatsu: Can you do the release (and perhaps document steps doing so)? 09:15:43 Or should I attempt to do a release? Or is there good reason release should wait? 09:16:22 pavel: OK, I will release 4.4 and 4.19. 09:16:39 iwamatsu: Thanks! 09:16:44 iwamatsu: do you have the time table? 09:16:51 I will start working after this meeting. 09:18:00 #action 4.4 and 4.19 kernel will be released - iwamatsu 09:18:11 szlin: for release? I can release it tomorrow morning at japan time. 09:18:30 iwamatsu: got it, thanks. 09:18:42 iwamatsu: can you prepare the release document for us? 09:18:59 maybe it would be good to release 4.4 after the spectre test 09:19:14 Ben mentioned that he didn't test it much 09:19:27 sangorrin: I'd prefer to do the release now. I've seen the patches... 09:19:34 szlin: sure 09:19:39 #action Prepare the CIP kernel release document - Iwamatsu 09:19:43 iwamatsu: many thanks! 09:19:46 ..and there's 260 of them. That will take some time. 09:19:47 iwamatsu: I have a question 09:20:04 pave1: OK 09:20:07 We'll probably want to do another release after it settles down, but I'd not slow it down now. 09:20:10 sangorrin: 4.4.180 is not release yet. We need to release this version. 09:20:33 Can we assume 4.19 is suitable for 32bit Arm arch? 09:21:18 Currently no 32bit arm boards are used for 4.19 09:21:31 #agree Release CIP kernel 4.4 without MDS and other speculation patches 09:22:06 fujita[m]: Yes, I think so. 4.19 09:22:07 4.19 is also used by other ARM SoCs. 09:22:22 Understood. Thanks 09:22:27 any other topic? 09:23:18 #topic Kernel testing 09:23:48 If renesas does not support aarch32 in 4.19, we may need to consider other ARM SoCs as real hardware. 09:24:35 iwamatsu: The iwg20m and iwg22m are present in the v4.19 Kernel, but Renesas doesn't have a BSP using that Kernel 09:25:06 patersonc: 4,4.y only use? 09:25:13 I guess there is no reason not to support iwg20m in cip-core with v4.19, so we can probably still test the CIP Kernel 09:25:38 iwamatsu: Our RZ/G1 BSP uses CIP v4.4. The RZ/G2 BSP uses CIP v4.19 09:25:48 fujita: What SoC do you use? I believe best option would be to test a similar configuration. 09:26:03 Renesas can also propose another boards for 4.19 if you want. 09:26:27 patersonc: I see. 09:26:28 fujita: 32-bit vs. 64-bit is only part of the problem... There is a lot of drivers involved. 09:26:31 Currently, we are using RZ/G1 and G2 series SOCs 09:26:42 patersonc: we should use cip-core not renesas bsp (as a project) 09:26:43 fujita: Aha, ok. 09:26:50 sangorrin: Agreed 09:27:11 sangorrin: I also agreed 09:27:26 pave1: correct 09:28:32 any other topic? 09:28:53 for kernel testing 09:29:02 For testing... 09:29:17 As mentioned in the TSC we now have an RZ/G2M board in the LAVA lab 09:29:23 Good for v4.19 testing 09:29:32 iwamatsu: I see you've already run a test - great 09:29:37 patersonc: do we have spectre/meltdown tests? 09:29:59 sangorrin: Not at the moment 09:30:39 patersonc: thank you for your work :D 09:30:52 szlin: It was all mungaip :) 09:31:02 patersonc: i will try to add them when i get some time 09:31:05 mungaip[m]: :D 09:31:11 sangorrin: Great 09:31:20 any other topic? 09:31:34 3 09:31:34 2 09:31:35 1 09:31:38 #topic CIP Core 09:31:44 sangorrin: If you get time, can you submit a PR to https://gitlab.com/cip-project/cip-testing/cip-kernel-tests? 09:32:02 patersonc: yes 09:32:09 The CIP Security WG plans to provide the essential packages (est.)two weeks later 09:32:31 szlin: thank you for the confirmation 09:32:32 kazu_: give the floor to you 09:32:41 cip-core will need more resources to deal with the requirements from cip security 09:32:57 sangorrin: do you mean human resources? 09:33:11 there are many things to add: microcode loading, encryption, integrity, secure boot?, apparmor.. 09:33:28 yeah, we need to collaborate between both groups 09:33:59 let's loop these two groups 09:34:19 szlin: sure 09:34:28 we can have a discussion with it, I can arrange this. 09:34:50 kazu_: sangorrin is it ok for you? 09:35:13 szlin: Yes 09:35:30 #action Arrange a meeting between CIP core and CIP security WG - szlin 09:35:35 any other topic? 09:35:38 In the above mail, I proposed the next steps to decide supported package list. I need to decide the due date for additional discussion, it should be before the next TSC meeting. 09:36:25 #info https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-May/002225.html 09:36:31 kazu_: thank you for the update 09:36:53 any other topic? 09:36:54 3 09:36:55 2 09:36:55 1 09:37:06 #topic Software update 09:37:28 No updates, we will have a meeting next week. 09:37:42 If someone wants to participate in the group/meetings let me know. 09:37:57 sangorrin: is it a public or private meeting? 09:38:28 it is open to any CIP member 09:38:43 sangorrin: I see, could you send the invitation email to cip-members? 09:39:06 ok, I will ask Christian 09:39:09 sangorrin: thank you. 09:39:14 any other topic? 09:39:25 3 09:39:25 2 09:39:26 1 09:39:29 #topic AOB 09:39:34 any other business? 09:40:00 3 09:40:01 2 09:40:02 1 09:40:06 #endmeeting