13:03:06 <jki> #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting 13:03:06 <collab-meetbot`> Meeting started Thu Mar 9 13:03:06 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:03:06 <collab-meetbot`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:03:06 <collab-meetbot`> The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' 13:03:13 <jki> #topic AI review 13:03:22 <jki> 1. enable more stable trees for testing (patersonc) 13:03:41 <patersonc[m]> We're now testing all of the LTS releases 13:03:42 <jki> iirc, there were bbb issues left, right? 13:03:51 <patersonc[m]> Yea 13:03:59 <patersonc[m]> I've disabled testing with our BBB config for now 13:04:03 <jki> ok 13:04:11 <patersonc[m]> It likely needs to be updated, but I'm not sure where the original came from 13:04:31 <patersonc[m]> And I can't see an equivalent upstream/google 13:04:45 <patersonc[m]> iwamatsu: You did the original commit - any ideas? 13:06:12 <iwamatsu> Sorry, I dont understand about it. 13:06:53 <patersonc[m]> https://gitlab.com/cip-project/cip-kernel/cip-kernel-config/-/commit/e28e124c4b0bdbf9d9552a3ee77ba29b4247f86f 13:07:30 <jki> how to reproduce the bbb issue? use that condig with 6.1-LTS and try to boot? 13:07:58 <jki> if so, then isar-cip-core should be able to generate such a broken image as well 13:08:22 <jki> I have board at home and could give it try tomorrow if that helps 13:09:00 <patersonc[m]> This is the bbb config trying to boot with v6.1 on BBB: https://lava.ciplatform.org/scheduler/job/869559 13:09:09 <patersonc[m]> It also didn't work with v5.15 13:09:18 <patersonc[m]> I'll add more details to the MR when I make it 13:09:22 <patersonc[m]> So people can review there 13:09:28 <iwamatsu> I see, i dont remenber... 13:09:40 <iwamatsu> But I will check it. 13:09:43 <patersonc[m]> iwamatsu: No worries, it was a long time agi! 13:10:07 <patersonc[m]> s/agi/ago/ 13:10:30 <patersonc[m]> Anyway, once the MRs are done for the LTS testing, shall I expand it to all of the active stable trees? (not just LTS) 13:11:41 <pave1> i believe that makes sense. 13:12:21 <patersonc[m]> Okay 13:12:53 <jki> so, consider this AI done already, or keep it open until that is done as well? 13:13:57 <patersonc[m]> I think we can close it. The immediate goal was to get 6.1 testing started 13:14:05 <jki> perfect 13:14:18 <jki> 2. report 6.1 test plan to LKML (pavel) 13:14:36 <pave1> I did. 13:14:44 <jki> oh, great! 13:15:03 <jki> any reactions? 13:15:22 <pave1> I was under impression that we'll test everything, and may have confused that. 13:15:31 <pave1> Nothing so far. 13:15:48 <jki> anyway - thanks! 13:15:54 <jki> 3. clarify usage of .sources files in cip-kernel-config (patersonc) 13:16:30 <patersonc[m]> pave1: I think so - and we'll get there :) 13:16:41 <patersonc[m]> jki: I haven't emailed the ML yet, so action still pending 13:16:50 <jki> ok 13:16:53 <jki> 4. reach out to Greg regarding LTS (jan) 13:16:59 <jki> still open on my side 13:17:14 <jki> will try to ping Ben first, later today or tomorrow 13:17:22 <jki> any other AIs? 13:17:47 <jki> 3 13:17:50 <jki> 2 13:17:52 <jki> 1 13:17:55 <jki> #topic Kernel maintenance updates 13:18:04 <uli> now reviewing 5.10.173 13:18:15 <masami> This week reported 11 new CVEs and 4 updated CVEs. 13:18:19 <pave1> I did reviews on autosel and 5.10.173. 13:18:21 <alicefm> Gregkh is here 13:19:00 <iwamatsu> I am reviewing 5.10.173. 13:19:05 <pave1> S 13:19:26 <alicef_> gregkh: <- jki 13:21:39 <pave1> I will need to finish review of 4.4 patches. Sorry for the delay. 13:21:41 <gregkh> alicef_: ? I've been here for a very long time... 13:23:23 <alicef_> gregkh: :) 13:23:55 <uli> pave1: i would appreciate that, it's been a while 13:24:00 <jki> gregkh: don't feel disturbed - we would eventually like to understand the needs to make longer LTS sustainable (again) and would reach out for that, likely via LKML 13:24:43 <gregkh> jki: there are no "needs" to do so, sorry. As I wrote in the LF Board meeting slide deck last week, "The 6 year LTS experiment has failed" 13:25:29 <gregkh> especially given all of the new laws coming into play in the US and EU, long-term kernels just are not going to work at all. 13:25:33 <gregkh> sorry. 13:25:52 <gregkh> I predict 3 year max over time, but for now we'll try 4 years to get over the transition period. 13:26:20 <gregkh> ideally we can get back to 2 years, but that needs help from some SoC vendors, which are doing the work now, so we might get there. 13:26:24 <gregkh> anyway, good luck! 13:26:33 <jki> that interpretation of regulations is new to me at least 13:27:05 <jki> also talking to colleagues exposed to strict regulations already today 13:27:21 <pave1> We'll promised to maintain the kernel for 10 years. If law prevents that, we'd like to know... 13:27:40 <jki> yep 13:27:48 <gregkh> define "promised", if it's a contract, that's on you, sorry. 13:28:02 <gregkh> if not, well, you can always change it :) 13:28:04 <pave1> Looks like it is on LF... 13:28:32 <gregkh> on the LF? Hah, no, your working group only, the LF doesn't promise anything with regards to kernel stuff, you all know that :) 13:28:45 <patersonc[m]> Indeed 13:29:30 <pave1> Well, fortunately it is not on -me-... 13:30:10 <gregkh> then figure out who it is on and work with them please. good luck! 13:30:16 <jki> the only one under contract in his context are suppliers (like my employer) with their customers 13:30:40 <gregkh> and as for regulations, there's nothing that says "you can not change this kernel version and it must stay the same" in any regulation that I know of. 13:31:25 <patersonc[m]> CIP always planned to do 10 years support before LTS was extended to 6 years. So there's nothing new for CIP here - just that we don't get 4 extra years of free maintenance from Greg anymore :) 13:31:28 <gregkh> jki: great, then that's between your employer and their customers, that's not anything with the LF. 13:31:39 <gregkh> patersonc[m]: exactly. 13:31:52 <pave1> But better explanation would still be welcome, and probably get that explanation to people in charge of CIP project. 13:32:17 <gregkh> pave1: point them at the LF board meeting slides from last week, it has the details if they are curious. 13:32:27 <gregkh> pave1: and it says what to do if they have questions. 13:32:44 <jki> gregkh: yes, we only try to support them as community as this is what we recieve funding for 13:32:57 <gregkh> I'll probably flesh it all out in a blog post eventually to make it more widely visible. 13:33:12 <jki> the more I'd like to understand statements like "not going to work at all" 13:33:28 <jki> that would be great! 13:33:28 <pave1> If someone had url for slides or blog post explanation, that would be welcome. 13:33:47 <gregkh> jki: see the new US and EU rules for the reasoning about "not going to work". they have the details and requirements. 13:34:16 <patersonc[m]> pave1: We should be able to get a copy of the slides from Neal 13:34:50 <alicef> patersonc[m]: can you share the slides also with me? 13:34:57 <pave1> petersonc. ok, that makes sense. 13:35:10 <alicef> once you get it from Neal 13:35:22 <patersonc[m]> alicef: Sure when we get them 13:35:29 <alicef> thanks 13:35:56 <pave1> So I understand it is LF lawyers saying 10 years can't be done? 13:36:39 <jki> gregkh: I've read first statements from community perspectives, but those were about way more fundamental issues 13:36:55 <gregkh> pave1: nope, not the LF lawyers. me :) 13:37:23 <gregkh> pave1: the lawyers have not weighed in on it yet, as no one has asked them to. 13:39:32 <gregkh> sorry, irc does not lend itself to in depth discussions like this. 13:39:44 <gregkh> anyway, good luck all! 13:39:50 <pave1> Ok. I gues this for CIP TSC level or above, not for me. Hopefully slides will clear my curiosity. 13:39:55 <pave1> Thanks! 13:39:57 <patersonc[m]> :) 13:40:01 <patersonc[m]> Thanks gregkh 13:40:20 <jki> thanks! 13:40:39 <jki> ok, let's continue with "business as usual" for now ;) 13:40:54 <jki> anything else regarding maintenance topics? 13:41:27 <jki> 3 13:41:29 <jki> 2 13:41:31 <jki> 1 13:41:33 <jki> #topic Kernel release status 13:41:38 <jki> - 4.4 13:41:42 <uli> still waiting for reviews 13:41:52 <jki> pavel: ? 13:42:10 <jki> or anyone? 13:42:22 <pave1> Should have them no later than tommorow. sorry for delay. 13:42:38 <uli> ok then. 13:43:03 <jki> good 13:43:16 <jki> - 4.19 13:43:45 <iwamatsu> LTS 4.19 is 4.19.275, and 4.19 of RT kernel is v4.19.271-rt120. no RT tracking. 13:45:37 <jki> so, we are on schedule still? 13:47:06 <jki> a new RT should come these weeks from us 13:48:21 <jki> -5.10 13:48:30 <iwamatsu> right, but we can not release -cip-rt this week 13:49:13 <iwamatsu> LTS 5.10 is 5.10.172. 5.10 of RT kernel is v5.10.168-rt83. on schedule yet. 13:49:23 <jki> good 13:49:31 <jki> then let's move on 13:49:33 <jki> #topic Kernel testing 13:50:16 <patersonc[m]> Main thing from me was expanding the stable testing 13:51:22 <patersonc[m]> Perhaps the only thing... 13:52:00 <jki> ok - anyone anything else on testing? 13:52:11 <arisut> https://github.com/kernelci/kernelci-core/pull/1705 13:52:36 <jki> nice! 13:52:50 <arisut> the pr for using cip-kernel-configs on cip kernels with kernelCI as been merged 13:53:27 <arisut> now we have 5.10.y-cip 4.4.y-cip and 4.19.y-cip testing cip-kernel-config with some kselftest test also 13:54:40 <jki> good 13:54:48 <jki> move on? 13:54:59 <arisut> ok 13:55:05 <jki> 3 13:55:08 <jki> 2 13:55:09 <sietze> one thing thing from my side 13:55:20 <jki> go ahead! 13:55:37 <sietze> I requested a chat with Chris considering test reporting 13:55:56 <sietze> patersonc will you be able to make that? 13:56:08 <sietze> Is there anybody else interested in that topic here? 13:56:20 <patersonc[m]> sietze: Yes, sorry for not getting back 13:57:16 <jki> will you do that exchange directly, or in a recorded irc? 13:57:34 <jki> would possibly point some colleague afterward to it 13:58:40 <sietze> I arranged a teams meeting, (bosch hosted I guess). But can invite anybody who's interested 13:59:09 <sietze> Anyway, most important thing is that Chris will be there 13:59:30 <sietze> If not, than IMHO the meeting will not make much sense 13:59:55 <jki> then just summarize next time ;) 13:59:56 <jki> tia! 14:00:01 <jki> anything else? 14:00:10 <patersonc[m]> sietze: Perhaps forward the invite to the cip-members mainling list 14:00:53 <sietze> Ok, good. THanks for accepting. Will forward to cip-members then 14:01:01 <sietze> Need to step out now 14:01:03 <sietze> Thanks! 14:01:21 <jki> #topic AOB 14:01:24 <patersonc[m]> sietze: Thanks 14:01:36 <jki> anything on other business today? 14:02:45 <jki> 5 14:02:48 <jki> 4 14:02:54 <jki> 3 14:02:56 <jki> 2 14:02:57 <jki> 1 14:02:59 <jki> #endmeeting