13:03:06 #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting 13:03:06 Meeting started Thu Mar 9 13:03:06 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jki. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:03:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:03:06 The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' 13:03:13 #topic AI review 13:03:22 1. enable more stable trees for testing (patersonc) 13:03:41 We're now testing all of the LTS releases 13:03:42 iirc, there were bbb issues left, right? 13:03:51 Yea 13:03:59 I've disabled testing with our BBB config for now 13:04:03 ok 13:04:11 It likely needs to be updated, but I'm not sure where the original came from 13:04:31 And I can't see an equivalent upstream/google 13:04:45 iwamatsu: You did the original commit - any ideas? 13:06:12 Sorry, I dont understand about it. 13:06:53 https://gitlab.com/cip-project/cip-kernel/cip-kernel-config/-/commit/e28e124c4b0bdbf9d9552a3ee77ba29b4247f86f 13:07:30 how to reproduce the bbb issue? use that condig with 6.1-LTS and try to boot? 13:07:58 if so, then isar-cip-core should be able to generate such a broken image as well 13:08:22 I have board at home and could give it try tomorrow if that helps 13:09:00 This is the bbb config trying to boot with v6.1 on BBB: https://lava.ciplatform.org/scheduler/job/869559 13:09:09 It also didn't work with v5.15 13:09:18 I'll add more details to the MR when I make it 13:09:22 So people can review there 13:09:28 I see, i dont remenber... 13:09:40 But I will check it. 13:09:43 iwamatsu: No worries, it was a long time agi! 13:10:07 s/agi/ago/ 13:10:30 Anyway, once the MRs are done for the LTS testing, shall I expand it to all of the active stable trees? (not just LTS) 13:11:41 i believe that makes sense. 13:12:21 Okay 13:12:53 so, consider this AI done already, or keep it open until that is done as well? 13:13:57 I think we can close it. The immediate goal was to get 6.1 testing started 13:14:05 perfect 13:14:18 2. report 6.1 test plan to LKML (pavel) 13:14:36 I did. 13:14:44 oh, great! 13:15:03 any reactions? 13:15:22 I was under impression that we'll test everything, and may have confused that. 13:15:31 Nothing so far. 13:15:48 anyway - thanks! 13:15:54 3. clarify usage of .sources files in cip-kernel-config (patersonc) 13:16:30 pave1: I think so - and we'll get there :) 13:16:41 jki: I haven't emailed the ML yet, so action still pending 13:16:50 ok 13:16:53 4. reach out to Greg regarding LTS (jan) 13:16:59 still open on my side 13:17:14 will try to ping Ben first, later today or tomorrow 13:17:22 any other AIs? 13:17:47 3 13:17:50 2 13:17:52 1 13:17:55 #topic Kernel maintenance updates 13:18:04 now reviewing 5.10.173 13:18:15 This week reported 11 new CVEs and 4 updated CVEs. 13:18:19 I did reviews on autosel and 5.10.173. 13:18:21 Gregkh is here 13:19:00 I am reviewing 5.10.173. 13:19:05 S 13:19:26 gregkh: <- jki 13:21:39 I will need to finish review of 4.4 patches. Sorry for the delay. 13:21:41 alicef_: ? I've been here for a very long time... 13:23:23 gregkh: :) 13:23:55 pave1: i would appreciate that, it's been a while 13:24:00 gregkh: don't feel disturbed - we would eventually like to understand the needs to make longer LTS sustainable (again) and would reach out for that, likely via LKML 13:24:43 jki: there are no "needs" to do so, sorry. As I wrote in the LF Board meeting slide deck last week, "The 6 year LTS experiment has failed" 13:25:29 especially given all of the new laws coming into play in the US and EU, long-term kernels just are not going to work at all. 13:25:33 sorry. 13:25:52 I predict 3 year max over time, but for now we'll try 4 years to get over the transition period. 13:26:20 ideally we can get back to 2 years, but that needs help from some SoC vendors, which are doing the work now, so we might get there. 13:26:24 anyway, good luck! 13:26:33 that interpretation of regulations is new to me at least 13:27:05 also talking to colleagues exposed to strict regulations already today 13:27:21 We'll promised to maintain the kernel for 10 years. If law prevents that, we'd like to know... 13:27:40 yep 13:27:48 define "promised", if it's a contract, that's on you, sorry. 13:28:02 if not, well, you can always change it :) 13:28:04 Looks like it is on LF... 13:28:32 on the LF? Hah, no, your working group only, the LF doesn't promise anything with regards to kernel stuff, you all know that :) 13:28:45 Indeed 13:29:30 Well, fortunately it is not on -me-... 13:30:10 then figure out who it is on and work with them please. good luck! 13:30:16 the only one under contract in his context are suppliers (like my employer) with their customers 13:30:40 and as for regulations, there's nothing that says "you can not change this kernel version and it must stay the same" in any regulation that I know of. 13:31:25 CIP always planned to do 10 years support before LTS was extended to 6 years. So there's nothing new for CIP here - just that we don't get 4 extra years of free maintenance from Greg anymore :) 13:31:28 jki: great, then that's between your employer and their customers, that's not anything with the LF. 13:31:39 patersonc[m]: exactly. 13:31:52 But better explanation would still be welcome, and probably get that explanation to people in charge of CIP project. 13:32:17 pave1: point them at the LF board meeting slides from last week, it has the details if they are curious. 13:32:27 pave1: and it says what to do if they have questions. 13:32:44 gregkh: yes, we only try to support them as community as this is what we recieve funding for 13:32:57 I'll probably flesh it all out in a blog post eventually to make it more widely visible. 13:33:12 the more I'd like to understand statements like "not going to work at all" 13:33:28 that would be great! 13:33:28 If someone had url for slides or blog post explanation, that would be welcome. 13:33:47 jki: see the new US and EU rules for the reasoning about "not going to work". they have the details and requirements. 13:34:16 pave1: We should be able to get a copy of the slides from Neal 13:34:50 patersonc[m]: can you share the slides also with me? 13:34:57 petersonc. ok, that makes sense. 13:35:10 once you get it from Neal 13:35:22 alicef: Sure when we get them 13:35:29 thanks 13:35:56 So I understand it is LF lawyers saying 10 years can't be done? 13:36:39 gregkh: I've read first statements from community perspectives, but those were about way more fundamental issues 13:36:55 pave1: nope, not the LF lawyers. me :) 13:37:23 pave1: the lawyers have not weighed in on it yet, as no one has asked them to. 13:39:32 sorry, irc does not lend itself to in depth discussions like this. 13:39:44 anyway, good luck all! 13:39:50 Ok. I gues this for CIP TSC level or above, not for me. Hopefully slides will clear my curiosity. 13:39:55 Thanks! 13:39:57 :) 13:40:01 Thanks gregkh 13:40:20 thanks! 13:40:39 ok, let's continue with "business as usual" for now ;) 13:40:54 anything else regarding maintenance topics? 13:41:27 3 13:41:29 2 13:41:31 1 13:41:33 #topic Kernel release status 13:41:38 - 4.4 13:41:42 still waiting for reviews 13:41:52 pavel: ? 13:42:10 or anyone? 13:42:22 Should have them no later than tommorow. sorry for delay. 13:42:38 ok then. 13:43:03 good 13:43:16 - 4.19 13:43:45 LTS 4.19 is 4.19.275, and 4.19 of RT kernel is v4.19.271-rt120. no RT tracking. 13:45:37 so, we are on schedule still? 13:47:06 a new RT should come these weeks from us 13:48:21 -5.10 13:48:30 right, but we can not release -cip-rt this week 13:49:13 LTS 5.10 is 5.10.172. 5.10 of RT kernel is v5.10.168-rt83. on schedule yet. 13:49:23 good 13:49:31 then let's move on 13:49:33 #topic Kernel testing 13:50:16 Main thing from me was expanding the stable testing 13:51:22 Perhaps the only thing... 13:52:00 ok - anyone anything else on testing? 13:52:11 https://github.com/kernelci/kernelci-core/pull/1705 13:52:36 nice! 13:52:50 the pr for using cip-kernel-configs on cip kernels with kernelCI as been merged 13:53:27 now we have 5.10.y-cip 4.4.y-cip and 4.19.y-cip testing cip-kernel-config with some kselftest test also 13:54:40 good 13:54:48 move on? 13:54:59 ok 13:55:05 3 13:55:08 2 13:55:09 one thing thing from my side 13:55:20 go ahead! 13:55:37 I requested a chat with Chris considering test reporting 13:55:56 patersonc will you be able to make that? 13:56:08 Is there anybody else interested in that topic here? 13:56:20 sietze: Yes, sorry for not getting back 13:57:16 will you do that exchange directly, or in a recorded irc? 13:57:34 would possibly point some colleague afterward to it 13:58:40 I arranged a teams meeting, (bosch hosted I guess). But can invite anybody who's interested 13:59:09 Anyway, most important thing is that Chris will be there 13:59:30 If not, than IMHO the meeting will not make much sense 13:59:55 then just summarize next time ;) 13:59:56 tia! 14:00:01 anything else? 14:00:10 sietze: Perhaps forward the invite to the cip-members mainling list 14:00:53 Ok, good. THanks for accepting. Will forward to cip-members then 14:01:01 Need to step out now 14:01:03 Thanks! 14:01:21 #topic AOB 14:01:24 sietze: Thanks 14:01:36 anything on other business today? 14:02:45 5 14:02:48 4 14:02:54 3 14:02:56 2 14:02:57 1 14:02:59 #endmeeting