13:59:11 <rpaik> #startmeeting LFN TAC bi-weekly
13:59:11 <collabot`> Meeting started Wed May  9 13:59:11 2018 UTC.  The chair is rpaik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:59:11 <collabot`> The meeting name has been set to 'lfn_tac_bi_weekly'
13:59:27 <rpaik> #chair phrobb
13:59:27 <collabot`> Current chairs: phrobb rpaik
13:59:57 <rpaik> #rollcall
14:00:09 <ttallgren> #info Tapio Tallgren
14:00:58 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke
14:01:02 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell
14:01:06 <rossella_s> #info Rossella Sblendido
14:01:15 <frankbrockners> #info Frank Brockners
14:02:36 <afredette> #info Andre Fredette, Red Hat
14:02:41 <rpaik> #info Wenjing Chu
14:02:41 <timirnich> #info Tim Irnich
14:04:20 <RajeshGadiyar> #info Rajesh Gadiyar Intel
14:04:24 <wenjing> #info Wenjing Chu
14:04:30 <gilbert> #info mazin gilbert (ATT,ONAP)
14:05:14 <EricDebeau> #info Eric Debeau, Orange proxy for Jamil Chawki
14:07:04 <rpaik> #topic TAC governance documents
14:07:38 <dfarrell07> #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544 Feedback to Board about timelines for gov docs
14:07:39 <rpaik> #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/
14:09:31 <rpaik> #info edwarnicke notes that this acknowledges the action item and list items that needs to be worked on
14:11:44 <JasonHunt> #info Jason Hunt, IBM
14:16:01 <rpaik> #info discussion on an 8-week timeframe for finalizing governance documents (this would be June 13th)
14:17:06 <edwarnicke> #undo
14:17:55 <edwarnicke> Approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/5/recommendations/technical_governance_timeline/recommendation.txt as a recommendation to the board, -1,0,+1
14:20:08 <anders> #info Anders Rosengren
14:20:18 <dfarrell07> July 11th
14:23:38 <tykeal> -1 dangling whitespace ;)
14:25:11 <rpaik> #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10248/
14:26:52 <rpaik> #info recommendation to have TAC projects community representation to the GB
14:32:04 <rpaik> #info gilbert asks is the concern that the technical communities will have different views or we need to have more weight to the technical communities?
14:33:25 <edwarnicke> #info Anders expresses that TAC and Projects may have different views.
14:33:29 <timirnich> I'd second the view that diversity of views is not a problem - it's healthy to be able to disagree
14:37:35 <dfarrell07> #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/9 Edited gov docs recommendation to make July 11th explicit
14:41:33 <rpaik> #startvote does the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/9  as a recommendation to the GB? (+1, 0, -1)
14:41:33 <collabot`> Begin voting on: does the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/9  as a recommendation to the GB? Valid vote options are , +1, 0, -1, .
14:41:33 <collabot`> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:41:49 <dfarrell07> #vote +1
14:41:58 <edwarnicke> #vote +1
14:42:04 <timirnich> #vote +1
14:42:06 <frankbrockners> #vote +1
14:42:12 <Guest93024> #vote +1
14:42:15 <afredette> #vote +1
14:42:16 <rossella_s> #vote +1
14:42:19 <Greg_> #vote +1
14:42:21 <wenjing> #vote +1
14:42:26 <ttallgren> #vote +1
14:42:28 <JasonHunt> #vote +1
14:42:35 <Davide> #vote +1
14:42:45 <rpaik> #vote +1
14:42:46 <gilbert> #vote +1
14:42:51 <rpaik> #9nfo proxy for Rajesh
14:43:05 <rpaik> #info proxy for Rajesh
14:43:14 <rpaik> #endvote
14:43:14 <collabot`> Voted on "does the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/9  as a recommendation to the GB?" Results are
14:43:14 <collabot`> +1 (14): frankbrockners, timirnich, JasonHunt, dfarrell07, edwarnicke, Guest93024, ttallgren, afredette, rossella_s, gilbert, wenjing, Davide, rpaik, Greg_
14:43:42 <edwarnicke> #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10248/7
14:44:03 <edwarnicke> Added sentence to recommendation: The board may choose to remove 8(c) (no limitations on number of votes), alter the number of votes in 8(c) to any number of its choosing, including zero if the board wishes the Commmunity Reps to have no vote in the board.
14:44:33 <kennypaul> #agreed the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10544/9  as a recommendation to the GB
14:44:47 <ttallgren> #vote +1
14:44:49 <rpaik> #startvote does the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10248/7 as a recommendation for TAC representation at the GB? (+1, 0, -1)
14:44:49 <collabot`> Begin voting on: does the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10248/7 as a recommendation for TAC representation at the GB? Valid vote options are , +1, 0, -1, .
14:44:49 <collabot`> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:44:56 <edwarnicke> #vote +1
14:44:58 <gilbert> #vote +1
14:44:59 <JasonHunt> #vote +1
14:45:06 <frankbrockners> #vote +1
14:45:06 <Guest93024> #vote +1
14:45:07 <rossella_s> #vote +1
14:45:08 <ttallgren> #vote +1
14:45:08 <Davide> #vote +1
14:45:09 <dfarrell07> #vote +1
14:45:10 <timirnich> #vote +1
14:45:12 <afredette> #vote +1
14:45:12 <EricDebeau> #vote +1
14:45:20 <wenjing> #vote +1
14:45:20 <rpaik> #vote +1
14:45:29 <rpaik> #info proxy for Rajesh
14:45:49 <kennypaul> #agreed the TAC approves https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10248/7 as a recommendation for TAC representation at the GB
14:45:52 <rpaik> #endvote
14:45:52 <collabot`> Voted on "does the TAC approve https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10248/7 as a recommendation for TAC representation at the GB?" Results are
14:45:52 <collabot`> +1 (14): frankbrockners, timirnich, JasonHunt, edwarnicke, dfarrell07, Guest93024, ttallgren, afredette, rossella_s, gilbert, wenjing, Davide, rpaik, EricDebeau
14:46:49 <dfarrell07> #agreed dfarrell07 will push one more patchset to 10248 to fix commit message to not include WIP, and cap "board", and remove a double whitespace
14:47:04 <rpaik> #action rpaik/phrobb to communicate above recommendations to the GB
14:50:53 <dfarrell07> #info frankbrockners points out that the TSCs don't typically think about things in terms of exact money amounts, more goals/ideas/actions, so proposed process would be fairly different
14:51:55 <dfarrell07> #info frankbrockners suggests that it might make more sense to have a request for more generic "things", vs trying to always put things in terms of money
14:53:02 <rpaik> #topic new budget request
14:53:10 <dfarrell07> #info timirnich points out that it's a matter of who translates ideas into money, and question is who should do that translation, likely not the TSCs
14:54:00 <rpaik> #info budget/resource request should be worked with community/project PM's
14:54:01 <dfarrell07> #info edwarnicke points out that some things, like pay or vendor quotes, shouldn't be publically translated into money figures, sould happen later in private
14:54:36 <rpaik> #info suggestion the term from "budget" to "resource"
14:56:46 <rpaik> #info discussion on whether TAC is an effective forum to address budget requests
14:56:57 <dfarrell07> #info edwarnicke talks about proposal in 10545 that takes TAC out of the decision pipeline a bit to lower overhead, TAC is for cross-community sync, Board A&P is for decision yes/no
14:57:27 <edwarnicke> #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10545/
15:00:27 <dfarrell07> #info lots of discussion about role of TAC and Board in budget decision process
15:01:11 <dfarrell07> #info one problem seems to be that TAC may not have insight into full budget, dfarrell07 would like to see solving that via having more open budget overall
15:01:17 <rpaik> #info budget discussion to continue over email
15:01:27 <rpaik> #endmeeting