22:45:46 <gzhao> #startmeeting Group Based Policy
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22:50:04 <gzhao> #info David notes new intends into the system should be free of conflicts
22:50:39 <gzhao> #info David Lenrow notes we need conflicts resolution in the system.
22:52:10 <gzhao> #info how to make normal people to consume and use policies.
22:53:52 <gzhao> #info Mike notes individual components can put some constraint on peers.
23:00:27 <gzhao> #info Mike notes thing not rendered will be in exception, and need to be measurable and be practically useable
23:02:36 <gzhao> #info Mike notes compliance changes all the time.
23:03:05 <gzhao> #info Keith notes we need to be consistent with promise theory
23:08:46 <gzhao> Mike: this approach is not different
23:11:07 <gzhao> Thomas : how do we map to intend pai
23:11:53 <gzhao> mike: not all the time deploy openflow rules
23:15:39 <gzhao> we don't want to abuse word "intend" with policy
23:16:46 <gzhao> all can be in different layers, can be user intents, operational is how things can be rendared, this is how inter components put constraints.
23:17:44 <gzhao> openstack is one example, they can apply to many things
23:18:02 <gzhao> application means different things to different people.
23:18:54 <gzhao> network policy is the our focus here.
23:21:26 <gzhao> openstack heat has some knowledge of group.
23:21:41 <gzhao> VM policy is not our network group based policy
23:23:03 <gzhao> contract provide services provide isolated service.
23:24:21 <gzhao> #david: this is a proposal to solve SDN policy.
23:24:40 <gzhao> #info avid: this is a proposal to solve SDN policy.
23:26:46 <gzhao> #info architect has value for complex system - Mike
23:28:32 <gzhao> you keep the intent of human, and you have intent of machine.
23:28:51 <gzhao> #info Davie: we try to resolve everyone can step on each other's toe problem
23:29:10 <gzhao> #info Rob notes this is not a easy problem to resolve.
23:30:24 <gzhao> mike: let's solve you have multiple implementations in the system.
23:35:02 <gzhao> in current architecture allow you to choose different renders.
23:36:11 <gzhao> we have ovs and openflow renders right now
23:37:31 <gzhao> renders can put constrains to another renders
23:38:37 <gzhao> we don't have common southbound contstruction.
23:41:52 <gzhao> #info Rob notes GBP built allow different renders to be built
23:42:13 <gzhao> Q: will other render be sub project under GBP
23:46:56 <gzhao> #info david: we need to close the loop of SFC
23:49:41 <gzhao> #info rob: there is a GBP demo video
23:58:14 <gzhao> #info Mike said we are working with congress for consistence
00:18:14 <gzhao> #info renders normally run indepnedently
00:27:32 <gzhao> #endmeeting