18:03:28 #startmeeting ODL-GBP-ARCH 18:03:28 Meeting started Fri Jun 20 18:03:28 2014 UTC. The chair is dconde. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:03:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:03:28 The meeting name has been set to 'odl_gbp_arch' 18:03:54 #chair regXboi 18:03:54 Current chairs: dconde regXboi 18:20:53 #info we are talking about need to reduce # of contracts per subject 18:21:01 #info but what about based on flow? 18:21:09 #info that's doable with conditions! - says dvorkinista 18:21:27 #info if it's anomalous we can apply those to sites provided by said servers. 18:21:39 #info but mickey says" what is the def iof flow" 18:22:10 #info sanjay says "user X comm to wiki site A on HTTP" that flow is what Sanjay wants to apply security, improve experience, etc. but you want to do something different. 18:22:21 #info dvorkinista says you can mark them 18:22:41 #info but sanjay says that only subset needs to be set. classifiers vs. conditions is unclear 18:22:53 #info filters are HTTP -- only difference is actions says dvorkinista 18:23:26 #info sanjays says what about on per-site 18:23:39 #info but if we have different sites, it's a different EPG -- says dvorkinista 18:24:07 #info info we can cover that in a clause. 18:24:23 #info functional equivalent thing are doable. not do it instance specific. 18:25:23 #info we have a functonal way to achive that in current model with clauses, etc. 18:29:08 #info we are worried about proliferation of subjects - says Sanjar 18:29:18 #info dvorkinista says we can intro containment within subject 18:29:32 #info same classifiers and multiple ACTION sets 18:31:33 #inf sanjay asks whether we burden dynamic app to come up with all this, or is this being figured out in runtime? 18:31:45 #info in the world of controls -- it's never in run time. 18:32:13 #info there is an understanding of expected actions. nothing ins unplanned, says dvorkinista 18:32:26 #info this is in response to conditional labels or some other exception mechanism. 18:33:00 #info sajnay asks if we have lots of flows…then we….. 18:33:13 #info dvorkin says -- we can do anomaly detection per flow 18:34:55 #info anjays wants to see how to get away from too many subjects per flow 18:35:15 #info dvorkinista says it is not per flow. 18:35:31 #info we want to pre plan conditions to react consistently. 18:36:14 #info dvorkinista parts of contracts can be mutated over time 18:36:26 #info lenrow says if this is best practice for expected events -- that's OK 18:36:42 #info but if we cannot support high frequency surprises 18:36:59 #info dvorkinista says let's figure out planned stuff vs. dynamic stuff. 18:37:38 #info do we want to extend concept of a session and piggy back on top of that. 18:38:50 #info sanjay asks how do we structure flows to KNOWN policies? 18:39:32 #info dvorkinista semanticlly we can express is as for two EPs, each belong to an EPG, in context of a given contract, we need to overwrite a set of subjects. that's an exception. 18:39:53 #info we want to avoid a backdoor into this. 18:40:31 #info it's OK to have exception case (like using Asmbly for dev drivers) 18:41:12 #info in the third option in yesterday's meeting, only thing we change are that there are not rules, but we put into filters of a subject. 18:44:56 #info mickey -- how do we over ride or how to figure dyn add conditions, etc. 18:50:41 #info dconde asked whether we want these conditions to be as orthogonal a possible. 18:50:47 #info dvorkinista says yes 18:50:55 #info the conditions are planted by app owners 18:51:11 #info some form of melt-down that needs an exception to deal with anomaly. 18:51:38 #info we cannot alter intent 18:51:55 #info we want to deal with exceptons without changing intent. 18:53:38 dconde: Can you send me the minutes too please 18:53:55 alagalah: I will post the meetbot URL 18:54:01 Ty sir 18:54:19 #endmeeting