18:00:11 #startmeeting gbp_status_arch 18:00:11 Meeting started Fri Feb 13 18:00:11 2015 UTC. The chair is tbachman. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:00:11 The meeting name has been set to 'gbp_status_arch' 18:00:14 #chair alagalah 18:00:14 Current chairs: alagalah tbachman 18:00:18 #topic agenda 18:00:31 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Group_Policy:Sub-Groups:STATUS#Team_Meeting Agenda for today’s meeting 18:00:42 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-group-policy/2015/gbp_150206/opendaylight-group-policy-gbp_150206.2015-02-06-17.58.html Minutes from last week’s meeting 18:01:33 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnLHuSiyOmVFR0pW65K4enB7QcYbLL18yzxYgmK_iDo/edit Google document that alagalah created, as an action from last week’s meeting on SFC/GBP integration 18:02:06 #topic SFC/GBP Integration 18:02:48 #undo 18:02:48 Removing item from minutes: 18:02:55 #topic Code merges 18:05:17 Hey guys, can you put the callin info, I still cant connect to Webex 18:05:42 ebrjohn: +1-866-432-9903 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) 18:05:43 +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) 18:05:44 Access code: 200 742 501 18:05:53 Friday, the 13th 18:05:54 tbachman thanks 18:05:59 ebrjohn: np! 18:06:12 #info alagalah says there was a bug fix merged by Intel 18:06:42 #info alagalah says we’re hoping to merge the opencontrail renderer patch — just need to run the POC to make sure there’s no change functionally 18:07:37 #topic Neutron impl update 18:07:40 alagalah: thx! 18:08:17 ebrjohn: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnLHuSiyOmVFR0pW65K4enB7QcYbLL18yzxYgmK_iDo/edit Google document that alagalah created, as an action from last week’s meeting on SFC/GBP integration 18:09:02 #info alagalah met with martin_sunal, who will be helping with the neutron work 18:09:03 Who is in slovakia? 18:09:12 OK - martin 18:09:13 abhijitkumbhare: martin_sunal 18:09:35 #info alagalah says he’s kitted up a bulk of the work for multiple EPGs per EP, and intra-group policy, and tested it 18:09:42 #info alagalah says from a control plane, it works great 18:10:07 #info alagalah says the data plane — specifically the flow pipeline — may need to be worked out a bit, with multiple EPGs 18:10:21 #info alagalah is looking at the issues with multi-EPGs 18:10:48 #info alagalah is going to compare doing this vs. trying to do this using condition groups — provide a comparison between the two 18:11:45 #info alagalah says that martin_sunal brought up the idea of an ANY EPG 18:11:58 #undo 18:11:58 Removing item from minutes: 18:12:35 #info alagalah says martin_sunal had the idea of an “ANY” EP — to make a bit of a “grey list” model (instead of white list) 18:12:54 #info alagalah says he’s looking at the merits of all of these changes 18:13:01 #topic SFC and GBP Integration (continued) 18:13:16 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnLHuSiyOmVFR0pW65K4enB7QcYbLL18yzxYgmK_iDo/edit Google document that alagalah created, as an action from last week’s meeting on SFC/GBP integration 18:13:54 #info alagalah says GBP and SFC are working to integrate for an external application — working on a POC for Lithium 18:14:21 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Service_Function_Chaining:Group_Based_Policy_Integration Wiki page that repenno created for this integration 18:15:51 #info mickey_spiegel asks if we’re relying on separation of topology, encaps or both for conflict avoidance 18:16:06 #info alagalah says we may require a constrainted topology, and will require NSH 18:17:01 #info ebrjohn says he’d like to see at a minimum that the first solution be flexible enough to support different encaps — specifically MPLS 18:17:36 #info alagalah asks where that would sit in the arch 18:17:51 #info ebrjohn says to use MPLS instead of NSH 18:18:04 #info ebrjohn says NSH doesn’t have many switches supporting it 18:18:25 #info ebrjohn says there’s an NSH proxy, which sits between the switch and the service function 18:18:38 #info ebrjohn is looking to support MPLS since it’s more common 18:19:06 #info alagalah says he thinks it’s achievable, but is still interested in NSH 18:19:35 #info ebrjohn says he isn’t advocating excluding NSH, but rather to do both — matter of resources and time 18:19:41 #info ebrjohn says he can do it in SFC 18:19:57 #info ebrjohn asks if GBP supports MPLS 18:20:09 #info alagalah says no, but there’s also currently no NSH encap either yet 18:20:30 #info alagalah says if we can get an MPLS encap from SFC, then we should be able to make something work 18:20:41 #info ebrjohn says he’s willing to help contribute that code in the GBP project 18:21:14 #info Prem says that for MPLS, the label would be used to create a similar path as NSH; asks what the benefit is of both NSH and MPLS 18:21:29 #info ebrjohn says he wasn’t thinking both at the same time — just one or the other 18:22:59 * tbachman blushes 18:24:15 #info paulq says there’s a case that might bear mentioning, where MPLS and NSH are used; allows extending policy to the services, but use MPLS for the transport 18:24:48 #info ebrjohn says that in the case where there are networks that don’t support NSH, the MPLS use case is helpful 18:25:51 #info ebrjohn says you can also do MPLS over GRE 18:26:49 #info paulq says it’s important to consider one goal of service chaining is the service, and extending policy to the service can be good 18:27:17 #info rukhsana asks about the acceptance of the NSH patches in OVS 18:27:36 #info paulq says the patches are in, work, and work is in place to get them upstreamed 18:29:39 #info abhijitkumbhare asks what the timeline is for phase 0 18:31:07 #info alagalah says Lithium 18:31:19 * tbachman wakes up from narcoloptic bit 18:31:38 #info abhijitkumbhare asks mickey_spiegel what no encap means — no NSH? 18:32:00 #info mickey_spiegel asks if VxLAN stitching falls under no-encap 18:32:07 * ebrjohn Am I the only one that sees like 10 "andy"s connected in the webex? 18:32:16 ebrjohn: I see him (them?) too :) 18:32:29 #info abhijitkumbhare says no encap is reclassification at every hop 18:32:59 #info paulq says VxLAN is encap 18:35:17 #info paulq says SFC needs to hand back what can be used in the chain 18:35:42 #info paulq says that’s the only way to make this generalized 18:35:47 #info mickey_spiegel asks about the stuff that readams was bringing up on the mailing list 18:35:56 * tbachman goes to get email link 18:36:36 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/groupbasedpolicy-dev/2015-February/000903.html email from Rob Adams, talking about mulitiple renderer issue 18:38:02 #info alagalah recommends addressing conflict detection/resolution in phase 1 18:39:21 #info ebrjohn says we may want to consider the overlay API as a longer-term goal 18:41:48 #info mickey_spiegel asks when SFC says Rendered Service Path, does that mean selecting what the SFFs are, or creating the data path things as well 18:42:09 #info paulq says it’s the actual toplogy created for hte service path — SFF1, switch62, FW3, etc. 18:44:37 #info repenno says a service function path is a collection of service hops that a user can input as a constraint for constructing a rendered service path 18:45:47 #info mickey_spiegel asks if it includes the encap details between them 18:46:42 #info repenno says it includes everything if the data plane locators and encaps were provided; RSP provides an ordererd list of SFFs and SFs; the data plane locators are sent through another interface/API 18:47:04 #info repenno then looks up the data plane locators and encaps when constructing the RSP 18:48:54 #info repenno says if folks want to understand SFC, he gave a demo at the SFC meeting which should help 18:49:18 link to webex? 18:49:34 #link https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/url/8Rbm2LrCyU5pzLsmhOoDj0yJZPpI0jb53VzcEpoFeVG00000 Webex for SFC presentation 18:49:46 ah 18:49:48 wrong one 18:49:50 #undo 18:49:50 Removing item from minutes: 18:49:59 #link https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/playRecording?recordID=14433636&meetingInstanceID=I3RF8SUSATNXF89CT7CW0PWB30-9VIB Link to SFC presentation from repenno on SFC 18:50:00 You can find more info about Reinaldo's demo here: 18:50:05 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Service_Function_Chaining:Main#Meetings 18:50:22 #link https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/url/VvVrUGAbeDLYPAxlPgmw5TlduQHGLb1gjk5_E1rxDum00000 Alternate link to webex for non-US accounts 18:50:36 #info alagalah says openstack GBP already integrates with ODL GBP today 18:51:09 #info alagalah says openstack SFC, to his knowledge, has a FW and LB encapsulated in it — when they ask for an SFC, they’re just leveraging the router’s capabilities, and is relatively static 18:51:44 #info alagalah asks if the SFC folks are looking to create a neutron API implementation, or is that out of scope 18:52:02 #info repenno says he looked into that, and is on his todo list 18:52:31 #info alagalah says the GBP neutron provider would also look to support SFC from openstack 18:52:53 #info repenno asks if GBP is doing the neutron stuff — is it possible to put this stuff outside GBP or put it in GBP 18:53:24 the current Service Chaining implementation is part of the GBP repo 18:53:26 #info alagalah says GBP will create a provider for neutron, so it can integrate with existing neutron 18:53:38 #info s3wong says the current Service Chaining implementation is part of the GBP repo 18:53:40 s3wong: thx ;) 18:53:50 I guess I should clarify that 18:53:53 #undo 18:53:53 Removing item from minutes: 18:54:03 #info s3wong says the current Service Chaining implementation is part of the openstack GBP repo 18:54:10 s3wong: correct? ^^^ 18:54:14 tbachman: yes, the OpenStack implementation 18:54:24 i.e., it isn't part of Neutron repo 18:54:37 #info ebrjohn asks if we can get GBP and SFC integrated and it works well, do we need to do this in ODL? 18:55:00 #info alagalah says he doesn’t want to preclude SFC from doing any integration that their project is interested in doing 18:55:09 #info repenno says we need to wait and see what that looks like 18:55:29 ebrjohn: think of OpenStack as an orchestration layer 18:55:45 s3wong: ah — but it uses the GBP implementation to do SFC then, right? 18:55:50 ebrjohn: and ODL would be the "driver" --- the layer that would realize that config/intent 18:55:51 s3wong: is there SFC outside of GBP? 18:56:12 tbachman: we have a service chain API/plugin infra on GBP repo 18:56:32 s3wong: got it; but is there something in neutron as well? 18:56:39 or is it only supported in GBP openstack? 18:56:43 tbachman: we have a reference implementation mapping to Neutron 18:56:46 ah 18:56:49 right 18:56:50 I see 18:57:08 tbachman: but since Neutron has no "service insertion" framework, the reference doesn't really have a good data path plumbing 18:57:17 #info songole says openstack has a firewalll and load balancer today; 18:57:34 tbachman, ebrjohn: in fact, if ODL can do the plumbing, it would be immensely useful 18:57:59 s3wong: that may be the key point there 18:58:24 #info s3wong says Neutron has no "service insertion" framework, the reference doesn't really have a good data path plumbing 18:58:51 #info s3wong says there is a service chain API/plugin infra on the OpenStack GBP repo 18:58:53 alagalah: ^^^ 18:59:05 tbachman: the point is, since we can translate: map a flow match a classifier to direct that traffic flow to a service, the data path part would be great to have an Open-source reference that truly works 18:59:12 s/can/can't 18:59:45 sorry, guys, I am in a meeting, so not able to join webex 18:59:46 #info s3wong says the point is, since we can’t translate: map a flow match a classifier to direct that traffic flow to a service, the data path part would be great to have an Open-source reference that truly works 18:59:50 s3wong: got it 19:00:37 #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1AO47EYrDMuTAypcpYbL3XOKFggZXu9x00XpGVwJLr9o/edit#slide=id.g612a6349b_0205 slides for neutron integration 19:03:01 #info alagalah asks what the best way is to track inter-project work? Trello? 19:03:14 #info ebrjohn says he’s fine (as SFC PTL) for hosting this on the GBP Trello 19:03:32 #link https://trello.com/b/yc0xHFlv/opendaylight-groupbasedpolicy-lithium GBP Trello Board, with GBP/SFC integration cards 19:04:09 ebrjohn: ^^ 19:07:17 #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/15255/ initial patch to start SFC/GBP conversation 19:08:41 #endmeeting