14:32:28 <gzhao> #startmeeting Helium Daily Bug Scrub & Release sync
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14:32:29 <tbachman> Is there a bug-scrub meeting?
14:32:30 <tbachman> ah
14:32:34 <tbachman> thx gzhao !
14:32:34 <PriyankaChopra> unfortunately yes.. i ll need both
14:32:35 <tbachman> :)
14:32:48 <gzhao> chair tbachman edwarnicke
14:32:56 <tbachman> PriyankaChopra: I’d recommend just resubmitting the one that failed
14:32:57 <gzhao> #chair tbachman edwarnicke
14:32:57 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: edwarnicke gzhao tbachman
14:33:13 <goldavberg> #info goldavberg for lispflowmapping
14:33:19 <PriyankaChopra> okay..
14:33:20 <tbachman> #topic roll call
14:33:25 <gzhao> #topic Roll Call
14:33:26 <tbachman> #info tbachman for groupbasedpolicy
14:33:35 <tbachman> gzhao: you liked caps better ;)
14:33:50 <gzhao> #info gzhao for release
14:33:51 <hideyuki> #info Hideyuki Tai for VTN project
14:34:00 <PriyankaChopra> #info PriyankaChopra for plugin2oc
14:34:01 <gzhao> tbachman: do you want to drive
14:34:10 * tbachman looks around
14:34:11 <tbachman> lol
14:34:12 <tbachman> sure?
14:34:35 <oflibMichal> #info oflibMichal for openflowjava
14:34:43 <tbachman> we’ll wait until :40 for folks to find their way in
14:35:06 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke
14:35:26 <gzhao> Phil is going to be late due to dentist appt.
14:35:32 <edwarnicke> gzhao: tbachman Thanks for picking up running the meeting :)
14:35:40 <tbachman> edwarnicke: np!
14:35:53 <regXboi> #info regXboi for an extra ear
14:36:14 * regXboi notes I have one more than yesterday, so I can lend it more easily
14:36:18 <tbachman> regXboi: the dr. gave you an extra ear?
14:36:23 <gzhao> edwarnicke: sure
14:36:32 <regXboi> tbachman: not exactly, he fixed the one that wasn't working well
14:36:43 <CASP3R> #info CASP3R Integration (Till Luis rocks up)
14:37:17 <michal_rehak> #info michal_rehak (openflowplugin)
14:37:44 <vjanandr> #info Vijay for SNBI
14:38:56 <ttkacik> #info ttkacik for yangtools and mdsal
14:40:41 <tbachman> so, I have the following projects missing:
14:41:05 <tbachman> aaa, bgppcep, controller, dlux, pcmm, tcpmd5, ovsdb, sdni, sfc, and snmp4sdn
14:41:54 <gzhao> #info missing aaa, bgppcep, controller, dlux, pcmm, tcpmd5, ovsdb, sdni, sfc, and snmp4sdn
14:42:07 <tbachman> #topic bugs
14:42:18 <tbachman> should we go project-by-project?
14:42:22 <tbachman> (for those here)
14:42:38 <gzhao> tbachman: I would like Ed first talk about where we are for RC0
14:42:44 <tbachman> sure
14:42:49 <tbachman> #topic rc0 status
14:43:03 <gzhao> tbachman: then go for status and give people sometime as well to join
14:43:21 <edwarnicke> OK
14:43:28 <gzhao> edwarnicke: so Ed, do you want to talk about autorelease RC0
14:43:29 * tbachman gives edwarnicke the stage
14:43:47 <edwarnicke> So... RC0 went out on time on Tue Sept 9 (one moment while I marshal links ;) )
14:45:03 <edwarnicke> gzhao: Could you dig up the link to your announcement
14:45:19 <edwarnicke> #link http://nexus.opendaylight.org/content/groups/staging/org/opendaylight/integration/distribution-karaf/0.2.0-Helium-RC0/ <- link to RC0
14:45:44 <edwarnicke> #info autorelease build running every four hours to test it keeps working
14:46:27 <gzhao> edwarnicke: this one? https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2014-September/000352.html
14:46:31 <edwarnicke> #info nightly builds should be coming in format RC0-<timestamp> (or if its easily doable, RC0-1-<timestamp>, RC0-2-<timestamp> etc)
14:46:48 <edwarnicke> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2014-September/000352.html <- RC0 announcement
14:47:21 <edwarnicke> Please please please test RC0 for your features ASAP
14:47:46 <edwarnicke> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Karaf:Step_by_Step_Guide#How_to_Test_RC0 <- instructions on how to test
14:48:53 <gzhao> edwarnicke: question: do you want people to test RC0 on build #70?
14:49:21 <edwarnicke> gzhao: You mean the RC0-1 nightly ?
14:49:29 <gzhao> edwarnicke: yes RC0-1
14:49:37 <tbachman> didn’t colindixon send an email on this?
14:49:50 <edwarnicke> Probably also a good idea, but it go pushed to the wrong repo, hoping to correct that for tonights nightly
14:50:05 <edwarnicke> tbachman: You make this completely unfounded presumption that I read email ;)
14:50:09 <gzhao> edwarnicke: ok
14:50:16 <tbachman> no — just wanted to find the link :)
14:50:32 <edwarnicke> tbachman: If you can find the link, please #link it in
14:50:34 <colindixon> #info colindixon for TTP
14:50:39 <edwarnicke> I *think* thats all from me on RC0
14:50:43 <colindixon> edwarnicke: what link do we want?
14:50:45 <edwarnicke> speak of the devil ;)
14:50:52 <colindixon> braiiinnnn
14:50:54 <tbachman> edwarnicke: looking :)
14:50:54 <edwarnicke> tbachman: Which link are you looking for?
14:51:06 <tbachman> colindixon’s email asking folks to test
14:51:06 <colindixon> was up until midnight testing TTP in RC0
14:51:09 <colindixon> have bugs
14:51:17 * tbachman thinks it was colindixon, but maybe it was gzhao ?
14:51:17 <colindixon> tbachman: I think it was gzhao’s e-mail
14:51:22 <tbachman> ah, sorry
14:51:35 <colindixon> https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Karaf:Step_by_Step_Guide#How_to_Test_RC0
14:51:39 <colindixon> is that what you wanted
14:52:06 <edwarnicke> colindixon: I think tbachman was looking for your email
14:52:53 <gzhao> #topic status
14:53:02 <gzhao> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2014-September/000375.html
14:53:22 <colindixon> yeah
14:53:28 <gzhao> there is a template for RC1 we will use for status
14:53:28 <colindixon> I think taht’s what tbachman is looking for
14:53:41 <tbachman> :)
14:53:45 <edwarnicke> gzhao: What is our status on folks getting into karaf and autorelease?
14:53:54 * tbachman was #fail-ing on email search
14:53:57 <tbachman> thx gzhao !
14:54:45 <tbachman> were we going to have folks send these to one of the MLs?
14:54:46 <edwarnicke> Oh, two other things on autorelease... currently failing on a minor bug already being worked to be fixed.  And I am going to take the every four hours builds off line for a bit today so I can rework the whole thing to not require human intervention
14:54:49 <CASP3R> edwarnicke we have a patch from plugin2oc  but it has failed the verification test .
14:54:59 <edwarnicke> CASP3R: Thank you for letting us know
14:55:06 <edwarnicke> Do we have plugin2oc guys here?
14:55:08 <gzhao> Karaf only Defense4All not started, sdni and oc are getting close to merge to integration
14:55:11 <colindixon> we *need* to talk about this https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2014-September/000357.html
14:55:23 <tbachman> edwarnicke: PriyankaChopra is here
14:55:27 <tbachman> for plugin2oc
14:55:53 <tbachman> so, maybe one thing at a time
14:56:01 <colindixon> tbachman: sure
14:56:01 <tbachman> we probably should discuss the email gzhao sent out
14:56:07 <gzhao> edwarnicke: PriyankaChopra is here for plugi oc
14:56:08 <tbachman> and agree on that
14:56:37 <edwarnicke> PriyankaChopra: Is there anything blocking you on your verification tests?
14:56:38 <tbachman> My understanding from the last meeting was that we were going to send this status to the ML
14:56:40 <tbachman> is that correct?
14:56:54 <colindixon> tbachman: yes
14:57:01 <tbachman> Great :)
14:57:03 <colindixon> just like the other milestones
14:57:06 <tbachman> Did we say *which* ML?
14:57:11 <AsafOron> D4A are planning this activity, hope to start soon
14:57:12 <PriyankaChopra> edwarnicke the build passed
14:57:14 <tbachman> discuss?
14:57:17 <tbachman> controller-dev?
14:57:22 <hideyuki> colindixon: tbachman: we are sending status to the ML everyday?
14:57:24 * tbachman can’t remember
14:57:25 <colindixon> tbachman: release, just like everythign else
14:57:28 <tbachman> ah
14:57:29 <tbachman> k
14:57:34 <colindixon> hideyuki: I don’t think so
14:57:35 <colindixon> let me check
14:57:39 <PriyankaChopra> https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/11053/
14:57:49 <gzhao> https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/11036/
14:57:51 <colindixon> ugh
14:57:59 <colindixon> it seems to imply that we are
14:58:00 <tbachman> The email says this: Please use the following templates when briefing your project' status for this release daily meeting
14:58:07 <colindixon> I was thinking that we’d send an e-mail update once per RC
14:58:09 <CASP3R> https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/11036/1
14:58:14 <edwarnicke> PriyankaChopra: You have no features test at all: https://jenkins.opendaylight.org/plugin2oc/job/plugin2oc-merge/org.opendaylight.plugin2oc$features-plugin2oc/9/testReport/
14:58:24 <hideyuki> colindixon: it makes sense to me.
14:58:47 <tbachman> edwarnicke: that’s probably my fault — I asked them to add that, but didn’t actually look in their link
14:59:13 <edwarnicke> tbachman: No worrie
14:59:34 <tbachman> so, we need to agree on whether we’re doing daily status to the release ML
14:59:41 <tbachman> does that seem too burdensome?
14:59:47 <tbachman> I think we want a good focus here
15:00:01 <tbachman> It should be a mostly cut-and-paste job
15:00:07 <tbachman> with a daily calendar reminder ;)
15:00:08 <gzhao> colindixon: tbachman hideyuki : For project status, my thoughts are: since we have this meeting, project will go and update their progress daily, one email at end of RC0 will need be send out to ML
15:00:33 <edwarnicke> gzhao: Just send us a template :)
15:00:36 <colindixon> gzhao: OK
15:00:36 <tbachman> gzhao: when you say update their progress daily — is that on the ML?
15:00:40 <tbachman> Or wiki page?
15:00:49 <edwarnicke> gzhao: But could we *not* do daily status reports...
15:00:50 <colindixon> if it’s a daily readout, it should be just a few lines in IRC
15:00:58 <colindixon> at most
15:01:04 * edwarnicke hates status reports :( Never formats his TPS reports correctly
15:01:09 <edwarnicke> colindixon: I like that :)
15:01:09 <tbachman> That’s probalby better
15:01:12 <tbachman> b/c we’re logging this
15:01:23 <gzhao> edwarnicke: no daily email, just use this meeting
15:01:24 <hideyuki> edwarnicke: +1
15:01:26 <tbachman> maybe ML for the initial RC
15:01:27 <alagalah> edwarnicke: But always stapled :)
15:01:30 <CASP3R> don't forget the cover sheets on the TPS reports :P
15:01:40 <colindixon> I think daily stuff is best handled informally, we’re looking for major bugs and thing sthat need attention *now*
15:01:52 <tbachman> #info projects will report daily bug status on IRC, which is captured by meetbot
15:02:06 <edwarnicke> #info peasants rejoice
15:02:17 <tbachman> okay — so, for RC<n> — will we do those to ML?
15:02:24 <edwarnicke> tbachman: I think yes?
15:02:25 <tbachman> just to verify that they’ve tested it?
15:02:31 <colindixon> tbachman: yes
15:02:33 <tbachman> that seems reasonable :)
15:02:43 * tbachman pats self on back
15:02:50 <tbachman> lol
15:02:53 <tbachman> once
15:02:57 <tbachman> twice
15:03:03 <tbachman> <sound of gavel>
15:03:03 <gzhao> shall we go status for each project?
15:03:08 <tbachman> gzhao: sure
15:03:10 <tbachman> topic each one?
15:03:12 <edwarnicke> gzhao: colindixon tbachman Might it make sense to keep a spreadsheet with a row for each project and column for each nightly for folks to indicate they have tested that nightly, whether the tests were good, and any bugs if not?
15:03:41 <gzhao> edwarnicke: I will do it
15:03:53 <colindixon> I think the idea is this: (1) very short updates via IRC in the daily meetings (2) longer updates like the M# status updates weekly before each RC
15:03:55 <tbachman> edwarnicke: gzhao is the expectation a test of nightlies?
15:04:13 <tbachman> I mean
15:04:19 <tbachman> are we requiring that of projects?
15:04:28 <edwarnicke> tbachman: require is to strong a word
15:04:32 <tbachman> b/c they may decide that resources are best spent focusing on critical bugs
15:04:32 <tbachman> k
15:04:36 <tbachman> request ;)
15:04:38 <edwarnicke> tbachman: That is a good point
15:04:44 <tbachman> we can put the spreadsheet there
15:04:47 <tbachman> and folks can update it
15:04:48 <edwarnicke> tbachman: And maybe it was a bad idea ;)
15:04:57 <gzhao> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TRYposNDFPaKcySlvwkOXvfR6Anx2EFujlIjoTthhRY/edit#gid=829479065
15:04:59 * edwarnicke tends to run about 50% yield on ideas ;)
15:05:09 <hideyuki> colindixon: +1
15:05:14 <tbachman> but I’m not convinced we want to make that a daily expectation
15:05:29 <tbachman> okay… 25 mins left
15:05:33 <edwarnicke> tbachman: Maybe a 'list RC/nightly checked' column in gzhao's spreadsheet?
15:05:34 <tbachman> lets move on to individual projects
15:05:40 <tbachman> sure :)
15:05:44 <edwarnicke> So its less of a 'requirement' and more of a 'could you tell us the last one you tested' ?
15:05:45 <tbachman> but that’s just a check
15:05:54 <edwarnicke> tbachman: Sure :)
15:05:55 <tbachman> to say that it’s tested and was good
15:05:59 <tbachman> but if it’s not good
15:06:07 <tbachman> need more than just a check ;)
15:06:18 <tbachman> (not tested, tested and bad, tested and good)
15:06:39 <tbachman> with less than 25 mins left, maybe we should move on?
15:06:56 <tbachman> there are like 12 projects to give status
15:07:01 <gzhao> let's go to status for each project, I want to have 5 or minutes to discuss the meeting time as well, since there are project contacts that have difficulties to attend at this time
15:07:06 <edwarnicke> tbachman: So maybe RED (not tested) YELLOW (tested and bad) GREEN (tested and good)
15:07:07 <colindixon> it seems to me that people should be allowed to test the nightlies but not required
15:07:13 * edwarnicke likes RED,YELLOW,GREEN :)
15:07:28 <tbachman> colindixon: I agree
15:07:31 <edwarnicke> colindixon: I agree, I think the thing to capture is the latest thing tested with...
15:07:49 <gzhao> # project contact, please info in your status:  RED (not tested) YELLOW (tested and bad) GREEN (tested and good)
15:07:53 <tbachman> just saying that getting folks to update that might be a challenge
15:08:23 <gzhao> who start testing using RC0, any project?
15:08:25 <tbachman> #info tbachman for groupbasedpolicy: red
15:09:20 * tbachman waits for all the other projects to bust out of the gate
15:09:27 <colindixon> #info colindixon for TTP: yellow (found a few bugs that need to be patched)
15:09:39 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke for controller: many features, I'll need to aggregate data for tomorrow
15:09:48 <goldavberg> #info goldvberg for lispflowmapping: yellow found (found one bug which was patched)
15:09:49 <oflibMichal> #info oflibMichal for openflowjava: green
15:09:56 <tbachman> lispflowmapping, release, vtn, plugin2oc, openflowplugin, openflowjava, integration, snbi, yangtools, mdsal
15:09:57 <tbachman> there we go :)
15:10:09 <vjanandr> #info vjanandr for SNBI: red
15:10:10 <hideyuki> #info Hideyuki for VTN :YELLOW (We need more tests with OF plugin. We need to put VTN Coordinator to the Karaf distribution.)
15:10:24 <colindixon> /me is debugging a custom karaf distribution at the same time
15:10:53 <AsafOron> #info asaforon for d4a: red
15:11:18 <tbachman> PriyankaChopra: plugin2oc?
15:11:25 <tbachman> ttkacik: MD-SAL and yangtools?
15:11:37 <tbachman> tho I guess those are really tested by all :)
15:11:44 <gzhao> tbachman: thanks
15:12:06 <gzhao> #topic meeting time
15:12:19 <gzhao> I switch the topic
15:12:29 <gzhao> because there are people cannot make this time
15:12:35 <tbachman> oflibMichal: openflowjava?
15:12:41 <PriyankaChopra> #info PriyankaChopra for plugin2oc : red
15:12:53 <oflibMichal> tbachman: green
15:12:54 <tbachman> oh, sorry
15:12:57 <tbachman> saw that above
15:13:00 <tbachman> sorry oflibMichal
15:13:03 <oflibMichal> tbachman: np
15:13:17 <tbachman> CASP3R: integration?
15:13:26 <CASP3R> yes
15:13:29 <tbachman> green?
15:13:50 <gzhao> also, I think we can do different times of this meeting, so people can join, the drawback is it will be confusing for people, any idea?
15:13:52 <CASP3R> I think we're still yellow cause of the karaf testing setup
15:14:02 <tbachman> CASP3R: can you info that it?
15:14:11 * edwarnicke is seized by the mischievous temptation to start a project named 'green'
15:14:16 <tbachman> lol
15:14:17 <CASP3R> #info Integration yellow due to karaf testing not fully setup
15:14:21 <edwarnicke> CASP3R: What's going on there?
15:14:22 <tbachman> CASP3R: thx!
15:14:35 <CASP3R> basic its around having feature-all and feature-only
15:14:53 <CASP3R> feature-all  isn't stable   (on a call right now looking into it)
15:15:31 <tbachman> back to time change
15:15:34 <edwarnicke> Ah.. the kitchen sink thing... yes... we need to explore that :)
15:15:44 <tbachman> gzhao: were there any specific time requests made?
15:15:48 <gzhao> Madhu: you made it
15:15:51 <tbachman> or “just not now” ;)
15:16:02 <Madhu> gzhao: yes... but this time really really sucks for me guys.
15:16:02 <edwarnicke> Maybe its good to find out what the local time is for all the folks here currently?
15:16:19 <tbachman> Madhu: would having another one later work?
15:16:22 <edwarnicke> To make sure we can accomodate reasonably our global geographic spread
15:16:39 <Madhu> I question the need for daily standup meetings on this
15:16:53 <Madhu> twice a week maybe..
15:17:05 <tbachman> Madhu: fair enough. I forget what we did for Hydrogen
15:17:20 <gzhao> there are people have difficulties to attend this meeting at this time, I wonder if we can have two days in a week to start at different time, e.g  Tues, Thurs at 7:30, M.W.F at other time
15:17:27 <gzhao> Madhu:
15:17:31 <tbachman> I do think that developers need time — particularly up front — to address and fix bugs
15:17:34 <colindixon> Madhu: I think the idea isn’t necessarily that *everyone* has to show up *every* time, but we want a critical mass to show up so we can make sure people understand what problems are going on and can get some help
15:17:52 <Madhu> colindixon: sure..
15:17:56 <gzhao> Madhu: daily fill the spreadsheet, meeting twice a week is sufficient in my mind
15:17:59 <Madhu> and I offered to stay away from this meeting :)
15:18:01 <edwarnicke> Looks like its currently 5:16pm in Europe, 6:16pm in Israel , 8:46pm in India, 11:16pm in Taipei and 12:16am in Tokyo
15:18:09 <Madhu> because this time doesn't work for me. sorry guys
15:18:19 <Madhu> gzhao: i think so too
15:18:20 <edwarnicke> gzhao: We have a bunch of other stuff I think we need to organize around
15:18:23 <edwarnicke> Cleaning up logs
15:18:24 <edwarnicke> etc
15:18:27 <tbachman> Madhu: meeting frequency aside - does later work better?
15:18:31 <edwarnicke> What we found in Hydrogen was there were a lot of details
15:18:34 <Madhu> tbachman yep.
15:18:38 <edwarnicke> And we needed  daily cadence to get them handled
15:18:41 <Madhu> anytime after 9am PT is good for me
15:18:52 <tbachman> edwarnicke:  did we do a daily cadence for Hydrogen?
15:19:04 <Madhu> tbachman: that really does not matter :)
15:19:13 <tbachman> I think we should allow projects to make their own decision for attendance
15:19:17 <Madhu> but the general notion of daily cadence is a bit too much
15:19:18 <Madhu> but again
15:19:22 <tbachman> in the end, they know best how their time is spent
15:19:25 <Madhu> as colindixon said it is optional
15:19:36 <colindixon> tbachman: we did a twice daily meeting
15:19:38 <Madhu> folks can attend only if they are blocked or needing help
15:19:39 <regXboi> as I recall, there were multiple meetings per day to cover the different time zones
15:19:41 <tbachman> wowsa
15:19:51 <edwarnicke> 9am PST is 7pm Europe, 8pm Israel, 10:30pm India, 1am Taipei, 2am Tokyo... so basically terrible for all non-NA timezones
15:20:09 <tbachman> I can see us offering two meetings
15:20:22 <tbachman> and letting the projects decide when to attend
15:20:23 <tbachman> in the end
15:20:33 <gzhao> tbachman: you don't mean on the same day?
15:20:34 <tbachman> if a project has critical bugs to fix, that are holding up others
15:20:37 <colindixon> tbachman: that’s what I did
15:20:40 <regXboi> yes on the same day
15:21:04 <tbachman> what to folks think of that?
15:21:08 <regXboi> H had twice daily meetings - one on a europe centric time, the second on an asia centric time
15:21:11 <tbachman> I think we’ve done something similar for other things
15:21:16 <tbachman> Yeah
15:21:20 <tbachman> one was early, the other late
15:21:26 <gzhao> from what I see, majority wants to keep meeting daily.
15:21:46 <tbachman> regXboi: do you remember the times?
15:21:50 <colindixon> I think we had one that was 9a PST and one that was 5p PST
15:21:59 <tbachman> colindixon: that sounds familiar
15:22:02 <regXboi> I can go look
15:22:28 <tbachman> I ask only b/c I recall that there was some serious canvasing to find the absolute best options there
15:22:33 <regXboi> so
15:22:33 <tbachman> so, no need to reinvent the wheel :)
15:22:35 <regXboi> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Hydrogen_Release_Work
15:22:50 <regXboi> 9 am PST and 5:45 pm PST
15:22:51 <tbachman> 5:45
15:22:52 <tbachman> interesting
15:22:54 <tbachman> okay
15:23:07 <tbachman> don’t know how you got the :45, but we can run with it
15:23:16 <tbachman> what do folks think>
15:23:19 <edwarnicke> 9am PST is still pretty brutal for Europe and the Middle East
15:23:20 <regXboi> ask colindixon - I don't remember :)
15:23:23 <gzhao> we have 8 minutes, any proposal?
15:23:40 <regXboi> #info regXboi proposes reusing the H process of dual daily cadence
15:23:41 <gzhao> edwarnicke: Madhu will 8:30 work?
15:23:50 <edwarnicke> Keep 7:30am PST for Europa and do a 5pm PST for Asia and PST?
15:24:22 <gzhao> #info edwarnicke propose Keep 7:30am PST for Europa and do a 5pm PST for Asia and PST
15:24:30 <regXboi> edwarnicke: I don't care about the times - I just think two is better than one
15:24:39 <edwarnicke> regXboi: ACK :)
15:24:49 <colindixon> tbachman: the :45 was make to make it short (it was supposed to be 15 minutes)
15:25:02 <tbachman> colindixon: that would be a good tenant to keep :)
15:25:17 <colindixon> tbachman: it didn’t work
15:25:18 <Madhu> gzhao: if am the only one
15:25:22 <Madhu> i would suggest don't change anything
15:25:23 <gzhao> shall we keep 7:30 as is to avoid confusion, and add a couple of 5:00pm PST   Mon and Wed
15:25:32 <Madhu> I can certainly manage without attending the meeting
15:25:43 <Madhu> and if someone needs my help, they can catch me anytime on IRC
15:25:44 <tbachman> Madhu: lol
15:25:56 <Madhu> tbachman: am serious :)
15:26:04 <tbachman> :)
15:26:21 <Madhu> gzhao: edwarnicke colindixon tbachman if we can simplify it without my time availability
15:26:36 <tbachman> gzhao: were there others interested in different times/
15:26:37 <tbachman> ?
15:26:42 <colindixon> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20140912&p1=283&p2=24&p3=43&p4=735&p5=438&p6=241&p7=248
15:26:44 <tbachman> anyone else here interested in other time options?
15:27:39 <edwarnicke> colindixon: That link is awesome, could you add Tel Aviv ?
15:27:57 <tbachman> okay folks, 3 mins left
15:28:05 <tbachman> and we should get the meeting times resolved
15:28:15 <colindixon> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20140912&p1=283&p2=24&p3=43&p4=735&p5=676&p6=438&p7=241&p8=248
15:28:24 <tbachman> unless I hear that others are interested in an additional time, I’m inclined ot keep just the one, at the current time
15:28:31 <AsafOron> if you add TEl-Aviv it would be great
15:28:46 <tbachman> AsafOron: I think he just did?
15:28:53 <gzhao> #info unless I hear that others are interested in an additional time, I’m inclined ot keep just the one, at the current time
15:29:02 <colindixon> it seems like 7:30a and 7:30p is what woud make it work
15:29:05 <tbachman> gzhao: thx!
15:29:32 <tbachman> Madhu: is 7:30pm any better for you?
15:29:39 <gzhao> shall we request project that cannot attend send out the status template update
15:29:48 <Madhu> rofl... guys i don't want to be a spoilt sport
15:29:52 <Madhu> I have a family :)
15:29:56 <tbachman> Let’s start with 7:30am
15:30:02 <AsafOron> yes he did, saw it just now. tx
15:30:03 <Madhu> so... please decide on a time without my consideration
15:30:10 <tbachman> and if folks need the other time, we can add the pm
15:30:20 <colindixon> tbachman: we can start with that
15:30:34 <Madhu> colindixon: tbachman expect some nag from me post 9am :)
15:30:36 <colindixon> #link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20140912&p1=283&p2=24&p3=43&p4=735&p5=676&p6=438&p7=241&p8=248 this shows the time zones we have people in (that I know of)
15:30:56 <tbachman> #info we can start with keeping just the 7:30am PST meeting, and add a 7:30pm PST meeting if folks need it
15:30:59 <tbachman> going once
15:31:02 <tbachman> going twice
15:31:06 <colindixon> Madhu: fair enough, to make it *reasonable* for everyone, we really need 3 meetings
15:31:14 <colindixon> tbachman: call it
15:31:17 <tbachman> <bang of gavel>
15:31:23 <tbachman> okay
15:31:26 <tbachman> anything else?
15:31:32 <tbachman> otherwise we’ll call it for today
15:31:46 <tbachman> once
15:31:48 <tbachman> twice
15:31:52 <tbachman> #endmeeting