========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by phrobb at 19:39:33 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2014/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2014-09-29-19.39.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call: TSC members please #info in (phrobb, 19:39:50) * regXboi (regXboi, 19:40:31) * TSC members in Conference Room Chris Price, Kent Watsen, Ed Warnicke, Dave Meyer, Colin Dixon, Jan Medved (phrobb, 19:40:39) * Kent Watsen (kwatsen, 19:45:56) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TRYposNDFPaKcySlvwkOXvfR6Anx2EFujlIjoTthhRY/edit#gid=670022163 (phrobb, 19:46:12) * Chris Price (ChrisPriceAB, 19:46:43) * Lenrow (dlenrow, 19:52:58) * colindixon (colindixon, 19:53:30) * Helium Release Status (phrobb, 19:53:51) * TSC members in the room are: dave lenrow, david meyer, colin dixon, chris prices, kent watsen, jan medved, ed warnicke, chris wright (colindixon, 19:54:29) * there is a discussion of the current blocking issues (2098, 2091, 2103, 2106, 2108, and 2112) (colindixon, 19:56:14) * 2106 - statistical bug (kwatsen, 19:56:33) * 2108 is something edwarnicke saw once and has never been reporduced (colindixon, 19:57:10) * colindixon says that he felt as though we had an almost ready-to-release version 5 days ago and it feels like we’ve regressed (colindixon, 19:57:11) * 2098 - dangling/missing nodes (kwatsen, 19:57:17) * 2112 is something which appears to have been a regression in GBP which they are currently bisecting (colindixon, 19:58:36) * 2106 can hang controller, fix is almost in (kwatsen, 20:00:55) * what our options are now (colindixon, 20:04:53) * marketing people have said (publicly) that we will release code today (colindixon, 20:05:16) * we are left between a rock (release code with know bugs without workarounds) and a hard place (not releasing as promised) (colindixon, 20:06:28) * Ed details that it takes 8-10 hours to turn the crank, 4 hours just to build (kwatsen, 20:07:26) * the discussion boils down to the fact that it takes ~4.5 hours to even produce a zip file and then several hours to test (colindixon, 20:07:31) * the key points to make is that (i) we found last-minute show-stopping bugs, (ii) we are committed to shipping good, stable code, and (iii) as a consequence we will not be shipping code today (colindixon, 20:09:30) * dmm says no chance to release today, only decision is what to tell Marketing (kwatsen, 20:09:41) * add (iv) we will be meeting daily to take stock of where we are and ship at the earliest possible date (colindixon, 20:11:02) * Chris Wright (just got into IRC, sorry) (cdub, 20:15:32) * edwarnicke just got IRC too (edwarnicke, 20:15:44) * Jan Medved (jmedved, 20:16:25) * dmm (dmm, 20:16:43) * VOTE: Voted on "shall Helium be released on 9/29 with the defects 2098, 2091, 2103, 2106, and 2112 known and as yes unverified as resolved?" Results are, -1: 9 (phrobb, 20:18:29) * chair elections (brief aside) (colindixon, 20:22:04) * kwatsen asks about whether we should also do a vice chair election at the same time as the TSC chair election (colindixon, 20:22:35) * it’s pointed out that there is no occurrence of the term vice chair in the bylaws, or TSC charter (colindixon, 20:23:15) * so there is no such vice chair to discuss (colindixon, 20:23:37) * dlenrow asks if the chair comes with lots of travel and promoting and things that would be useful to share (colindixon, 20:24:19) * dmm says there was at the beginning, but now Neela, Ambassadors, etc. make this not a requirement (colindixon, 20:24:35) * kwatsen asks dmm, but you seemed to be very much in favor of vice chair a little bit back (colindixon, 20:25:38) * dmm says there are two reasons for that: (i) he always seems to wind up traveling on Thursday mornings, and (ii) the chair should also be looking to mentor other members to provide redundant and diverse leadership (colindixon, 20:26:35) * kwatsen says the only part that’s not visible to the whole TSC, but is visible to the chair is the board (colindixon, 20:26:59) * those who sit on both (including dmm) say that isn’t really a big issue (colindixon, 20:27:23) * dealing with the fallout of the helium (non) release (colindixon, 20:28:10) * four points, 1) late discovery of showstopper bugs 2) As a tech community, we want to ship quality code, 3) this code is not ready to ship, 4) A new date for delivery is not yet known. (phrobb, 20:31:16) * melissa asks other than the download page, where else do we need to send this (colindixon, 20:32:32) * TSC to put this decision on discuss, tsc and release mailing lists (phrobb, 20:32:32) * technical, infrastructure, and process debt (colindixon, 20:43:18) * everyone agrees that we really need to help solve this problem (colindixon, 20:44:11) * some of it will involve the board, but there has historically been push back because we don’t have precise asks (colindixon, 20:44:33) * we have some precise asks now which hopefully the board can board can help us meet (colindixon, 20:45:09) * there is also a discussion that we may be growing so fast that reacting to problems we precisely understand will have us always behind (colindixon, 20:46:16) * as a consequence we *need* at least some parts be proactive (colindixon, 20:46:40) * the consensus is that we need a full-time infrastructure team (and maybe it’s not us, maybe it’s the LF) to keep this stuff going and anticipate needs (colindixon, 20:47:36) * kwatsen says he thinks part of the problem is not just infrastructure, but also the simultaneous release plan (colindixon, 20:50:47) * kwatsen suggests that we might try to target core projects that are supposed to be able to be released at any time (colindixon, 20:52:38) * cdub says the discussion about putting the lithium release is broken in his mind, it should be wrapped into helium release goals (colindixon, 20:53:49) * regXboi says he thinks if you do that Lithium is going to take longer than 6 months (colindixon, 20:54:03) * colindixon suggests we just reduce the scope to make it take 6 months (colindixon, 20:54:15) * regXboi notes that he is very much disagrees and thinks that this won’t work (colindixon, 20:56:12) * regXboi would *love* to be proven wrong (regXboi, 20:56:31) * next meeting about the release (colindixon, 20:56:52) * AGREED: the TSC will meet in salon 9 at 8a pacific tomorrow (colindixon, 20:57:04) Meeting ended at 20:57:08 UTC. 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