========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by phrobb at 16:59:10 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2014/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2014-10-09-16.59.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * dmm (dmm, 16:59:28) * Roll Call - TSC members please #info in (phrobb, 16:59:28) * regXboi is partially here (regXboi, 16:59:47) * colindixon (colindixon, 17:00:10) * alagalah (Keith) as proxy for Ed Warnicke (alagalah, 17:00:14) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda agenda as usual (colindixon, 17:00:27) * Chris Price (ChrisPriceAB, 17:00:36) * regXboi now here fully (regXboi, 17:01:26) * Ivan Wood (IvanWood, 17:01:30) * Kent Watsen (kwatsen, 17:02:05) * Lenrow (dlenrow, 17:03:20) * jmedved (jmedved, 17:03:36) * dmm’s thanks (colindixon, 17:05:02) * dmm wants to say thank you to the community, TSC, linux foundation and everyone (colindixon, 17:05:16) * Updates (phrobb, 17:07:51) * phrobb Dusseldorf conf next week (alagalah, 17:08:29) * hackfest in Octoboer on 10/29 (tbachman, 17:08:45) * following week is openstack paris, with talks on ODL in the main conference and in the OpenSource ecosystem track (tbachman, 17:09:04) * LINK: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe Cloud Open + LinuxCon conference coming up (tbachman, 17:09:46) * LINK: http://www.opendaylight.org/events/2014-10-29/opendaylight-tokyo-hackfest Tokyo ODL Hackfest (alagalah, 17:10:23) * Youcef Laribi (Youcef, 17:10:53) * Welcome to new TSC Chair Youcef Laribi, the new representative from Citrix (tbachman, 17:11:07) * Stable Helium Update (tbachman, 17:11:36) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/a/linuxfoundation.org/spreadsheets/d/1PYxjiSYEks44uJByVO1P44rnI5xTJRulpKyrSsDQF9g/edit#gid=1307630876 (colindixon, 17:12:47) * there are eight projects that are complete, with others waiting on dependencies (tbachman, 17:12:59) * Most of the remaining projects are in steps 4, 5, or 6, with 8-9 of them that haven’t started yet (tbachman, 17:13:25) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Cutting_Stability_Branches <= Link describing steps for cutting Helium Stability Branches (tbachman, 17:14:01) * zxiiro says that the remaining projects that haven’t started are likely doing so because they think they can’t start yet b/c they are blocked on dependent projects (tbachman, 17:15:04) * colindixon notes that the autorelease for stable/helium is about 1 month away, so we need to get the branches cut soon (tbachman, 17:15:40) * LuisGomez asks why there are two projects in the spreadsheet with no contact (tbachman, 17:16:35) * phrobb notes that opflex is an error because it wasn’t in helium (tbachman, 17:16:45) * 8 projects completed, 7 projects in steps 4-6, 8 not started yet (tbachman, 17:18:29) * ACTION: zxiiro to remove opflex from helium/stable spreadsheet and find "handler" for sdni project (tbachman, 17:18:48) * System Integration and Testing (tbachman, 17:19:32) * LuisGomez says there are two new workgroups in Integration: Project Engagement to get requirements for testing from the beginning and work closely with release management; and Performance Tools, to focus just on creating performance tools (tbachman, 17:20:26) * LuisGomez said that someone has asked about Windows testing, as there are possibly issues with the Windows karaf distribution (tbachman, 17:20:52) * LuisGomez asks if someone from Microsoft could find someone to help out with Windows integration testing (tbachman, 17:21:14) * The base Karaf windows distribution is tested prior to our releases, so issues found may be ODL specific (icbts, 17:21:31) * colindixon asks whether we can get a MAC and Windows machines/resources for the integration team for testing (tbachman, 17:21:53) * ACTION: IvanWood will try to find out more information about the issues with Windows (tbachman, 17:22:44) * colindixon asks if we’ve started testing on stable/helium yet (tbachman, 17:24:11) * LuisGomez says this hasn’t happened yet (tbachman, 17:24:19) * ACTION: IvanWood, LuisGomez, and phrobb to get together to build a plan for Windows testing in integration (test expertise, and actual hardware and OS platform). (phrobb, 17:24:42) * Committer Promotions on OVSDB (tbachman, 17:25:56) * shague and flaviof have been nominated by the OVSDB team as committers (tbachman, 17:26:43) * colindixon asks if there’s a precedent for requiring a committer during the TSC call for committers (tbachman, 17:27:31) * phrobb says he doesn’t think there’s such a precendent, but we have emails indicating +1’s from the OVSDB committers (tbachman, 17:27:58) * LINK: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/ovsdb-dev/2014-October/000749.html email thread on new committers for OVSDB (regXboi, 17:27:59) * LINK: http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?user_id=shague&metric=commits same hague on spectrometer (colindixon, 17:28:35) * LINK: http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?user_id=ffernandes fLavio on spectrometer (regXboi, 17:28:48) * regXboi says that flaviof and shague are #3 and #6 on the contributors for OVSDB (tbachman, 17:30:37) * VOTE: Voted on "Shall the TSC approve shague and flaviof as committers on the OVSDB project?" Results are, +1: 8 (phrobb, 17:32:14) * flaviof and shague are promoted to committers on the OVSDB project (tbachman, 17:32:44) * AGREED: shague and flaviof are now committers on the OVSDB project (phrobb, 17:32:46) * Hydrogen End of Life (tbachman, 17:33:22) * colindixon asks if we can just vote to end of life hydrogen today (tbachman, 17:33:57) * dlenrow says that he has received little feedback about the need for sable hydrogen (tbachman, 17:34:27) * IMHO you can't vote on EOL or EOS without defining the terms (alagalah, 17:34:27) * regXboi says we should set some ground rules for End of Life and End of Support (tbachman, 17:34:56) * regXboi would favor voting End of Support today, and focus on End of Life later (tbachman, 17:35:18) * jmedved asks if we can define support, as that carries certain committments (tbachman, 17:36:13) * colindixon says the proposal on the table is no more patches (tbachman, 17:36:22) * regXboi says that in theory someone could file a defect against Hydrogen, and we as a community ought to consider cutting a new release to address the defect(s) (tbachman, 17:36:51) * jmedved says that even if someone in the community pushes a patch, are we going to commit resources to that release (reviewing, testing, etc.) (tbachman, 17:37:30) * rovarga says that whether or not to take patches should be up to the project (tbachman, 17:37:55) * This means there are two issues: project life cycle, and support for the simultaneous release (tbachman, 17:38:26) * proposal for vote: should the TSC declare EoS for Hydrogen (which means that there will be no more stable/hydrogen simultaneous releases), projects may continue to update stable branches, and stable/hydrogen will still be available for download (regXboi, 17:42:21) * proposal for vote: should the TSC declare EoS for Hydrogen (which means that there will be no more stable/hydrogen simultaneous releases, projects may continue [but are not required] to update stable/hydrogen branches, and stable/hydrogen will still be available for download) (regXboi, 17:43:20) * alagalah notes that there are no current bugs outstanding against hydrogen (regXboi, 17:44:49) * VOTE: Voted on "proposal for vote: should the TSC declare EoS for Hydrogen (which means that there will be no more stable/hydrogen simultaneous releases, projects may continue [but are not required] to update stable/hydrogen branches, and stable/hydrogen will still be available for download)?" Results are, +1: 9 (phrobb, 17:45:01) * AGREED: EoS for Hydrogen (which means that there will be no more stable/hydrogen simultaneous releases, projects may continue [but are not required] to update stable/hydrogen branches, and stable/hydrogen will still be available for download) (tbachman, 17:45:45) * Longer TSC Meetings (tbachman, 17:46:00) * phrobb says that at the end and beginning of cycles, there are usually a lot more topics (tbachman, 17:46:19) * phrobb asks if we want to increase the meetings to 90 minutes or 2 hours over the next couple of months (tbachman, 17:46:37) * regXboi proposes 3-4 weeks we increase, and then about 6 weeks before the Lithium release (tbachman, 17:47:42) * kwatsen says that it seemed like we needed extra time towards the end of Helium (tbachman, 17:48:26) * colindixon asks whether folks prefer 90 minutes or 2hrs? (tbachman, 17:48:45) * regXboi prefers 2hrs for now (tbachman, 17:49:11) * alagalah points out that if we schedule for 2 hrs we can go short, but if we schedule for 90 minutes then we have a harder time going longer (regXboi, 17:50:27) * VOTE: Voted on "Shall the TSC increase their weekly meetings to 2 hours while discussion topics warrant it?" Results are, +1: 8 (phrobb, 17:51:24) * AGREED: TSC meetings are now 2 hours (phrobb, 17:51:47) * ACTION: phrobb to change the TSC meeting invites to 2 hours (phrobb, 17:52:13) * debt reduction (regXboi, 17:52:22) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/File:Debt-reduction-ideas.TSC-meeting.2014.10.09.pptx slides with conrcrete suggestions/ides (colindixon, 17:52:31) * colindixon says a couple of people have proposed that we delay starting the Lithium release to perform concrete, time-boxed work on addressing the various debt on OpenDaylight (tbachman, 17:53:42) * regXboi points out that cdub has some strong opinions on stopping work for Tech Debt so asks if topic can be deferred until he can have input (alagalah, 17:54:37) * colindixon notes that he doesn't want to delay the Lithiium Release schedule if we don't have concrete, time-boxed technical debt reduction items to deliver (phrobb, 17:56:09) * regXboi notes that with increased TSC time, we might be able to do this without delaying Lithium start (tbachman, 17:56:41) * there is a draft litium simultaneous release plan out (regXboi, 17:57:03) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Lithium_Release_Plan draft Lithium Release Plan (tbachman, 17:57:42) * kwatsen says we should re-label this to indicate that this isn’t the plan of record (tbachman, 18:00:01) * dlenrow notes we need to address the dates as well (tbachman, 18:00:13) * alagalah says that the release plan doesn’t address project dependencies (tbachman, 18:01:13) * colindixon says that Hydrogen did have a concept of different release stages to address this (tbachman, 18:01:58) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Lithium_Release_Plan update page with red warning (colindixon, 18:03:40) * discussion ensues on the needs for several improvements oto the Lithium Release Plan (phrobb, 18:05:33) * colindixon requests that folks add requests/ideas to the bottom of the Lithium Release Plan (tbachman, 18:06:07) * Introduction of Dave Neary (tbachman, 18:06:37) * dneary will be spending ~25% of his time working with phrobb, neelajaques, et. al. on how to grow a healthy a community (tbachman, 18:07:12) * Dave is reachable at dneary@redhat.com, dneary on IRC (dneary, 18:07:30) Meeting ended at 18:07:45 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * IvanWood * IvanWood will try to find out more information about the issues with Windows * IvanWood, LuisGomez, and phrobb to get together to build a plan for Windows testing in integration (test expertise, and actual hardware and OS platform). * phrobb * IvanWood, LuisGomez, and phrobb to get together to build a plan for Windows testing in integration (test expertise, and actual hardware and OS platform). * phrobb to change the TSC meeting invites to 2 hours * zxiiro * zxiiro to remove opflex from helium/stable spreadsheet and find "handler" for sdni project People present (lines said) --------------------------- * tbachman (93) * alagalah (36) * regXboi (34) * ChrisPriceAB (32) * odl_meetbot (27) * colindixon (21) * phrobb (18) * dmm (13) * dlenrow (12) * dneary (8) * rovarga (7) * kwatsen (7) * jmedved (4) * Youcef (4) * icbts (3) * tykeal (3) * IvanWood (2) * zxiiro (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4