18:03:29 #startmeeting tsc 18:03:29 Meeting started Thu Nov 20 18:03:29 2014 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:03:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:03:29 The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 18:03:35 #topic roll call and agenda 18:03:41 #info colindixon 18:03:43 #info regXboi (irc for now) 18:03:44 #info Chris Wright 18:03:50 #info mohnish 18:03:52 #info Kent Watsen 18:03:52 #info Youcef Laribi 18:03:55 * regXboi says "ignore the line on the webex :) " 18:03:57 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Agenda the agenda in it’s usual place 18:03:57 #info abhijitkumbhare (for Chris Price) 18:04:21 #info LuisGomez 18:04:36 #info edwarnicke 18:05:12 https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2014/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2014-11-13-17.59.html 18:05:24 * regXboi is now on the webex fully :) 18:05:49 * kwatsen still having trouble with webex loading 18:06:03 #chair tbachman phrobb1 regXboi 18:06:03 Current chairs: colindixon phrobb1 regXboi tbachman 18:06:11 * tbachman wonders who has the music 18:06:32 #action rovarga to email alagalah to do a TWS on this topic 18:07:13 * regXboi failed in my attempt to not be human :) 18:07:30 #action colindixon to get the release notes linked in to download 18:07:49 #action phrobb will create a wiki page by next week’s TSC meeting where we can put projects and mentors 18:08:39 howdy 18:08:45 #info phrobb1 has identified the CAs that work for Oracle’s Java JDK on the Mac and we are working on getting a cert from one of them 18:08:47 hey alagalah 18:09:02 Sorry I was a few late... 18:09:14 colindixon: thx! 18:10:13 #topic board elections 18:10:39 #info phrobb1 says elections have concluded and email has been sent indicating LuisGomez and mlemay have been elected 18:10:43 LuisGomez, mlemay: congrats! 18:10:44 Congratulations mlemay and LuisGomez ! :) 18:10:48 congrats 18:10:51 congrats LuisGomez and mlemay :D! 18:10:53 congrats LuisGomez & mlemay ! 18:11:08 congrats! 18:11:09 #info colindixon asks if there are any more elections 18:11:19 #info phrobb1 says there are the Project Lead elections 18:11:25 #info usecase meeting will be tomorrow will follow up at next TSC on #action item 18:11:29 We have only just begun to elect... ;) 18:11:40 And we are running an election for the BoD Chair to replace Inder Gopal who left IBM. 18:11:41 mlemay: When? And is it on the meeting wiki page 18:11:42 ? 18:12:14 drizzt__: good q’! 18:12:33 Could we get a link to the election mechanics stuff here in the minutes? 18:13:00 phrobb1: you have that? 18:13:04 * tbachman goes to wiki…. 18:13:21 Hi 18:13:24 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CondorcetElection4PTLs page describing how to run an e-election for your PTL 18:13:26 dneary: Welcome :) 18:13:32 colindixon: thx! 18:13:32 Did anyone else get an error dialling in with the webex link? 18:13:38 thx guys! :) very happy about it .. 18:13:41 dneary: folks seem to be having troubles 18:13:48 sounds like it works eventually if you keep trying 18:13:49 dneary: There was much gnashing of teeth 18:13:52 I had to dial in (got here a few minutes late) 18:14:29 mestery: LuisGomez congratulations 18:14:30 #info drizzt__ says the board of directors need to vote on who will be the chair of the BoD 18:14:38 dneary - I had the same issues so had to dial in by phone 18:14:43 #info phrobb1 says Monday is the conclusion of the Board of Directors chair 18:14:50 #topic events 18:15:16 #info phrobb1 says that venues are tight for a January hack fest 18:17:13 * tbachman can’t find the thread 18:17:18 alagalah: (mis)feature of mailman 18:17:32 alagalah: go in and change your settings and you'll get your own postings 18:19:07 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-November/003872.html initial email discussing hack fests 18:20:38 #topic system integration and test 18:21:12 #info the stable/helium branch is currently stalled because of (a lack of) version bumps 18:21:40 #info zxiiro is chasing down the projects to be able to resolve the remaining version bumps 18:22:12 What projects still need to do it? 18:22:31 #info Integration team is blocked waiting on version bumps, can't do testing on stable branch 18:23:56 it seems like it’s snmp4sdn and defense4all 18:24:04 #info cdub says we need a common person or people who have committer rights across projects, otherwise too much time spent chasing project committers 18:25:23 Sounds like war time powers, cdub 18:25:37 :) 18:26:04 alagalah: it's all flowers and sunshine man 18:26:22 * edwarnicke passes cdub a daisy 18:26:29 * dfarrell07 is looking for email thread 18:26:38 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/integration-dev/2014-November/002055.html start of email thread describing docker naming convention 18:26:46 cdub: Don't make me channel my inner Leslie Gore 18:27:40 sub for dlenrow, abstain 18:27:40 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002140.html Docker naming proposal thread 18:27:57 no objection 18:28:17 Thanks @ all :) 18:28:24 #agreed the TSC approves the Docker Naming Proposal linked in above 18:28:32 #topic lithium and stable helium updates 18:28:52 #info gzhao says that helium auto-release has same issue as integration project’s testing (blocked) 18:29:15 #info gzhao second’s cdub’s proposal for single person or persons with ability to implement version bump across projects 18:30:00 gzhao: et al... disagree 18:30:07 I propose oversight is : Majority +1 from majority of TSC with a time / action bound 18:31:04 All good... colindixon .. no biggee 18:31:24 #action colindixon to start the conversation and collect ideas on how to resolve cross-project version bumping in timely fashion 18:32:26 sorry for the sparse note-taking all 18:32:28 #action edwarnicke and gzhao to work on the Lithium auto-build 18:32:33 * tbachman is having issues multi-tasking 18:33:13 #topic infrastructure 18:33:33 #info tykeal says they upgraded and moved gerrit to Rackspace environment last weekend 18:33:39 * edwarnicke does a happy dance for the new gerrit interface :) 18:34:06 #info zxiiro upgraded sonar to the latest LTS version and has updated the sonar rules to be the non-deprecated ones 18:34:38 * tbachman wonders how to #link that 18:34:40 lol 18:34:46 will it work? 18:34:50 #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/Documentation/user-review-ui.html the guide for the new gerrit 18:36:12 #action mlemay to Investigate usage of repotool manifest for inter-repo + tags management with zxiiro 18:37:09 #info zxiiro says they’re ready to have more projects come in and start using Jenkins Job Builder (hopefully still somewhat simple projects) 18:37:56 #info edwarnicke asks if we’ve figured out what to do with the job retriggers 18:38:11 #info zxiiro says gerrit has a feature called a comment trigger, which may help 18:38:41 #action zxiiro to work on how to (re)trigger builds in the unified jenkins silo 18:39:14 #info tykeal says comment trigger works by if you create a comment that has the text “retrigger” it will retrigger the job 18:39:16 retrigger thing is super cool 18:39:39 #topic Creation Review: CAPWAP 18:41:55 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:CAPWAP Project proposal page of CAPWAP 18:43:42 * tbachman does disco dance 18:43:45 easy listening! 18:43:50 heh 18:43:55 am I in an elevator? 18:43:57 rofl, very relaxing? 18:43:58 haha 18:44:03 That was awesome 18:44:14 #topic docs 18:44:21 #undo 18:44:21 Removing item from minutes: 18:44:22 * tykeal will need the userIDs for rights elevation... 18:44:29 #topic commiter promotion for docs 18:44:45 tykeal: Thanks for pointing that out... want to make sure we get what we need to make this go smoothly 18:44:50 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002160.html the votes 18:44:58 dang 18:45:02 colindixon is just too fast ;) 18:45:27 +1 to both sujatha (from OpenFlow plugin experience in Helium) & colindixon 18:45:45 phrobb1: do we need two separate votes? 18:46:15 colindixon: not sure we’ve been consistent :( 18:46:22 and can you set that up? 18:46:54 #startvote Shall the TSC approve Sujatha Joseph and Colin Dixon as committers on the Documentation project? -1, 0, +1 18:46:54 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Sujatha Joseph and Colin Dixon as committers on the Documentation project? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:46:54 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:47:00 #vote +1 18:47:02 #vote +1 18:47:03 #vote +1 18:47:03 #vote +1 18:47:03 #vote +1 18:47:04 #vote +1 18:47:05 #vote +1 18:47:13 I would abstain, but I need to vote for sujatha 18:47:16 #vote +1 18:47:38 #vote +1 18:47:53 #endvote 18:47:53 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Sujatha Joseph and Colin Dixon as committers on the Documentation project?" Results are 18:47:53 +1 (9): regXboi, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, cdub, mohnish, kwatsen, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, rexpugh1 18:48:11 lol! 18:48:32 colindixon and Sujatha: congrats! 18:48:36 thank you 18:48:40 #topic Committer Promotions for Integration 18:48:44 colindixon and Sujatha : congrats! 18:49:01 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002165.html Email for committer nomination for Integration 18:49:11 #agreed sujatha and colindixon added as committers for documentation (last topic) 18:49:41 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/integration-dev/2014-November/002064.html 18:49:52 #link dfarrell07 commit history http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?company=redhat&release=all&project_type=all&metric=loc&user_id=dfarrell07 18:50:09 #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/owner:%22Daniel+Farrell%22+project:integration,n,z another version of dfarrell07 commit history 18:50:45 dfarrell07: thx 18:50:58 tbachman: had 'em queued up ;) 18:51:03 :) 18:51:26 http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?module=integration&metric=commits 18:52:04 CASP3R: thx! 18:52:08 #link http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?module=integration&metric=loc Jamo is #5 dfarrell07 is #9 18:52:17 #startvote Shall the TSC approve Daniel Farrell and Jamo Luhrsen as committers on the Integration project? -1, 0, +1 18:52:17 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Daniel Farrell and Jamo Luhrsen as committers on the Integration project? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:52:17 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:52:22 #vote +1 18:52:25 #vote +1 18:52:30 #vote +1 18:52:33 #vote +1 18:52:34 #vote +1 18:52:36 #vote +1 18:52:36 #vote +1 18:52:38 #vote +1 18:52:40 #vote +1 18:52:41 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/opflex-dev/2014-November/000030.html OpFlex Committer LOC + Committer vote thread 18:52:45 #vote +1 18:52:47 #uneo 18:52:55 yeah 18:52:57 got it 18:52:57 ;) 18:52:59 lol 18:53:06 #endvote 18:53:06 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Daniel Farrell and Jamo Luhrsen as committers on the Integration project?" Results are 18:53:06 +1 (10): regXboi, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, cdub, mohnish, kwatsen, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, Youcef, rexpugh1 18:53:06 good time I actually did a typo :) 18:53:24 dfarrell07: congratulations 18:53:27 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/opflex-dev/2014-November/000030.html OpFlex Committer LOC + Committer vote thread 18:53:32 * tbachman waits for #agreed 18:53:39 Thanks all :) 18:53:51 #agreed adding dfarrell07 and Jamo Luhrsen to integration as committers 18:53:55 tbachman you didn't wait last time :-) 18:53:58 lol 18:54:00 sorry! 18:54:03 these guys move fast! 18:54:09 it all works, just trying to look 18:54:28 #topic OpFlex Committer Promotion 18:54:36 #link http://spectrometer.opendaylight.org/?metric=loc&module=opflex they are #5 #6 18:54:39 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/opflex-dev/2014-November/000030.html OpFlex committer email 18:55:53 #startvote Shall the TSC approve Mike Dvorkin and Amit Bose as committers on the OpFlex project? -1, 0, +1 18:55:53 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Mike Dvorkin and Amit Bose as committers on the OpFlex project? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:55:53 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:55:57 #vote +1 18:55:59 #vote +1 18:56:02 #vote +1 18:56:03 #vote +1 18:56:04 #vote +1 18:56:05 #vote +1 18:56:08 #vote +1 18:56:12 #vote +1 18:56:28 Thanks all. 18:56:30 #vote +1 18:56:36 #endvote 18:56:36 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Mike Dvorkin and Amit Bose as committers on the OpFlex project?" Results are 18:56:36 +1 (9): regXboi, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, cdub, mohnish, kwatsen, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, Youcef 18:56:38 Thanks CAPWAP team for letting us get this done 18:56:45 dvorkinsta & amit: congrats! 18:56:56 do we need another musical interlude? 18:56:57 #agreed Mike Dvorkin and Amit Bose are approved committers on the OpFlex project 18:56:59 #topic Creation Review CAPWAP (revisited) 18:57:09 tbachman: made it! 18:57:12 :) 18:57:16 colindixon: notes taht there is only one listed committer and resource committer 18:57:18 I waited for it this time ;) 18:57:35 #info colindixon notes that there is only one listed committer and resource committer 18:57:47 resource committted (sorry) 18:57:54 #undo 18:57:54 Removing item from minutes: 18:58:06 #info colindixon notes that there is only one listed committer and resource committed 18:58:17 sorry missed the vote but would have +1 to opflex committers ;) 18:58:32 #info abhijitkumbhare says that if they figure out the DTLS issue, please share it with OpenFlow{plugin,java} 19:00:20 #info Mahesh says there are other resources committed (Tiju John and Abi Varghese) 19:00:32 #info colindixon asks Mahesh to add them to the project proposal 19:00:47 #action Mahesh to add the resources to the project proposal 19:01:13 #info edwarnicke says this seems like a southbound plugin for the protocol, and if there’s a link to the protocol available which can be added to the proposal 19:01:21 #action Mahesh to add links from the project proposal to the RFCs and standards, also the slides 19:01:27 colindixon: thx 19:01:31 #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5415 19:01:40 thanks kwatsen 19:01:43 Just wanted to confirm if the Capwap southbound the project is planning is MD-SAL based 19:01:45 do we have a link to the slides 19:01:50 #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5416 19:02:02 let me undo and add context 19:02:22 #undo 19:02:22 Removing item from minutes: 19:02:27 just add a post-hoc #info 19:02:28 or undo it :-) 19:02:30 either way 19:02:47 #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5416 Control and Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) ProtocolRFC 19:03:09 ugh 19:03:10 did that wrong 19:03:12 anyway 19:03:20 #info link for RFC5415 is Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) 19:03:39 #info rexpugh1 asks if this southbound plugin is going to integrate with the inventory data store 19:04:01 * tbachman wonders if we’re having internet issues 19:04:07 * dfarrell07 wonders if there's a webex error, all folks dropping... 19:04:11 tbachman: internet is broken 19:04:19 cdub: rofl 19:04:19 consulting fees! 19:04:21 splitbrain 19:04:24 LOL! 19:04:38 audio is distorted 19:04:44 did anyone on irc actually get dropped? 19:04:51 all audio sounds bad 19:05:03 #info abhijitkumbhare asks if they will use the MD-SAL, and the answer is yes 19:05:04 * tbachman can hear 19:05:15 dfarrell07: audio is good for me… still bad for you? 19:05:17 was shaky for a bit 19:05:19 i got dropped twice during this meeting, but not in the last couple minutes 19:05:30 phrobb1: was clearly bad for ~60 seconds, seems okay now 19:05:32 #Info the answer (to rexpugh1) is that it could be integrated, but hasn’t ben decided yet 19:05:40 colindixon: thx 19:05:48 * tbachman needs helping hands today :P 19:05:48 mmm thanks for letting me know kwatsen 19:05:52 I’ve been fine but for 2-3 minutes before 19:07:54 +1 to more detailed project proposal 19:08:09 he’s still presenting 19:08:33 * tbachman notes there is no TSC next week 19:09:09 yes HP really likes this proposal if it brings the functionality that I assume it does. 19:09:18 rexpugh1: +1 to that 19:09:25 we need an action? 19:09:53 #action CAPWAP project team to codify what they presented into the wiki and reply to the original project proposal, and TSC to vote on mailing list 19:10:36 crossing i's and dotting t's? 19:10:39 crossed eyes, and what? 19:11:00 #topic ODL Forge 19:11:04 * tbachman has crossed eyes now 19:11:45 #link https://pad.opendaylight.org/p/odlforge odlforge pad link (with disucssion points) 19:11:50 cdub: thx! 19:12:10 #info use your ODL credentials to log in 19:14:05 #info tykeal says one idea is to create a new namespace for ODL forge 19:14:45 #info tykeal says the forge would stand up pretty much everything that exists for an ODL project (gerrit, jenkins, etc.) 19:15:17 #info tykeal says a separate nexus is a bit tricky, but under consideration 19:15:29 #info There’s a question of whether we’ll have a bugzilla for this or not 19:15:42 #info mailing lists should probably stay under opendaylight namespace 19:16:49 #info colindixon asks if we bought odlforge yet 19:16:54 Not anymore muahhh hah ahahah 19:16:58 LOL 19:17:01 I can resell it to you for a fee 19:17:16 #action tykeal to investigate obtaining odlforge 19:17:19 budget request approved. 19:17:25 alagalah - I beat you to buying it :) 19:17:25 ;-) 19:17:33 abhijitkumbhare: LOL 19:19:01 This seems amazingly sane 19:19:03 drizzt__: JIT budgeting ;) 19:19:06 nice! 19:19:36 we should send an email on this, no? 19:19:39 (with that summary) 19:20:22 tbachman: we should 19:20:31 * colindixon goes to do this 19:21:48 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002178.html this e-mail lists what the current proposal is 19:21:56 #info phrobb1 asks how this weill affect costs 19:23:21 #info tykeal says that costs will go up because we’ll need systems, but it will likely go down overall as we reduce our one silo per project 19:23:24 colindixon: thx! 19:23:27 * tbachman is back 19:23:59 #info tykeal also says that costs will fluctuate as we do more things in an elastic fashing, and we shoudl be aware of this 19:24:22 #info colindixon asks, given that we want ODL Forge is there any other way things can be done which would be a lot cheaper 19:24:29 #info tykeal seems to say no 19:25:55 #startvote Shall the TSC approve items 1 through 7 on the odlforge ehterpad? -1, 0, +1 19:25:55 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve items 1 through 7 on the odlforge ehterpad? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 19:25:55 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:25:59 #vote +1 19:25:59 #vote +1 19:26:03 #vote +1 19:26:16 #vote +1 19:26:28 #vote +1 19:27:02 #vote +1 19:27:08 #vote +1 19:27:09 #vote +1 19:27:18 #vote +1 19:27:55 (sorry was staring at wrong irc channel, waiting for vote to start) 19:28:11 #endvote 19:28:11 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve items 1 through 7 on the odlforge ehterpad?" Results are 19:28:11 +1 (9): regXboi, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, cdub, mohnish, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, Youcef, rexpugh1 19:28:13 #info tykeal has discovered that we can preserve git history on moving, however the coments on changes gerrit would be lost 19:28:41 #agreed items 1 through 7 on odlforge etherpad is approved by the TSC 19:29:57 #info drizzt__ asks what about trademarks and other things, do we enforce it on the front end? 19:31:20 #info colindixon says he’d rather not involve lawyers on the front-end if it can be avoided, so we encourage people to pick names carefully to avoid future pain, but not enforce it 19:31:40 #info phrobb1 asks a similar question about doing incoming code IPR, should we do it or not 19:32:16 #info edwarnicke and cdub say that we should do a similar thing and advise against doing bad things, but not enforce it unless it becomes an issue 19:33:28 #link http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html example of gerrit based automated project proposal/creation 19:33:29 #info colindixon asks what we’re goign to do about “a) TBD - mechanism of request (email?, webform?, bugzilla bug?)” 19:33:53 #info tykeal says his bias is to go with a helpdesk ticket or mailing list request to get this info 19:34:00 thanks 19:34:05 #info We still need something in there that indicates that this is a valid project 19:34:36 #info colindixon says that if the TSC has to be involved in this process then it will slow things down 19:34:49 #info tykeal recommends cc’ing the TSC mailing list just to make them aware 19:35:11 #info colindixon asks if we could use project proposals for this? Or a separate mailing list? 19:35:56 #info cdub recommends using the dev list with a topic 19:36:38 #info cdub proposes to use odlforge-dev list with a topic of [proposal] for requests, this seems like a good idea 19:46:50 colindixon: what’s the vote? 19:46:52 I can start it 19:47:36 mlemay, Ping? 19:47:45 someone have text? 19:47:55 #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002179.html the new 8–11 19:48:03 dneary: pong 19:48:30 syntax is #startvote ${vote}? 19:48:33 the ? is required 19:48:34 colindixon: the question mark is what messes up most people 19:48:35 yeah 19:48:39 #startvote Shall the TSC approve items 8 through 11 on the odlforge as archived in the above mailing list archive? -1, 0, +1 19:48:39 Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve items 8 through 11 on the odlforge as archived in the above mailing list archive? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 19:48:39 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:48:53 #vote +1 19:49:11 #endvote 19:49:11 Voted on "Shall the TSC approve items 8 through 11 on the odlforge as archived in the above mailing list archive?" Results are 19:49:11 +1 (1): abhijitkumbhare 19:49:16 #info ignore the above vote 19:49:18 #startvote "Shall the TSC approve items 8 through 11 on the odlforge proposal as documented in https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002179.html? -1, 0, +1 19:49:18 Begin voting on: "Shall the TSC approve items 8 through 11 on the odlforge proposal as documented in https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002179.html? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 19:49:18 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:49:26 #vote +1 19:49:26 #vote +1 19:49:30 #vote +1 19:49:30 #vote +1 19:49:32 #vote +1 19:49:34 #vote +1 19:49:35 #vote +1 19:49:45 #endvote 19:49:45 Voted on ""Shall the TSC approve items 8 through 11 on the odlforge proposal as documented in https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002179.html?" Results are 19:49:45 +1 (7): regXboi, edwarnicke, cdub, mohnish, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, Youcef 19:50:05 #agreed the TSC approves items 8 through 11 on the odlforge proposal as documented in https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2014-November/002179.html 19:50:25 regXboi: no thanks 19:50:43 * tbachman won’t endmeeting until colindixon says so ;) 19:50:49 #endmeeting