17:04:32 #startmeeting TWS 17:04:32 Meeting started Mon Sep 15 17:04:32 2014 UTC. The chair is Madhu. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 17:04:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:04:32 The meeting name has been set to 'tws' 17:04:51 #chair tbachman colindixon phrobb networkstatic 17:04:51 Current chairs: Madhu colindixon networkstatic phrobb tbachman 17:04:52 * colindixon wanders in 17:04:57 * tbachman is here 17:05:31 #topic documentation 17:05:31 #topic Documentation process for Helium 17:05:38 :) 17:05:49 #undo 17:05:49 Removing item from minutes: 17:05:51 #undo 17:05:51 Removing item from minutes: 17:05:56 #topic Documentation process for Helium 17:06:05 #info regXboi taking the lead on documentation process 17:06:18 is webex failing for anyone else or am I just *special* 17:06:25 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group:Docs_and_Structure link for docs for Helium 17:06:44 phrobb: failling? 17:06:50 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group Documentation group page 17:07:13 #info documentation has its own repo and every Helium participating project needs to update their documentation on this project 17:07:16 connection just sits and spins 17:07:24 phrobb: that sometimes happens :( 17:07:49 phrobb: this is the link I used, fwiw: https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/meetings/join?uuid=M749G9M6E4A5JG72SD48WWG57F-9VIB 17:07:51 phrobb: firefox & webex don't work great. 17:08:23 tbachman: colindixon can u pls info it in for a few guys ? brb 17:08:25 this is chrome failing… will need to reboot more of my box and keep trying… be there soon... 17:08:37 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group:How_To the how to page regXboi is going through 17:08:43 tx colindixon 17:09:03 #info once you have documentation you want to add, use the decision matrix on that wiki page to determine where that documentation goes 17:09:14 #info the docs project is for documentation that is angled to people both in the ODL community and outside the ODL community 17:09:43 #Info there is a giant flow chart that shows how to decide what kind of documentation you need to create 17:10:12 #info there is a docs channel: #opendaylight-docs where you can go ask for help 17:11:07 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group:Tools tools for documentation 17:11:20 #info you can build documentation in linux, but not in windows 17:12:24 #topic demo 17:12:48 #undo 17:12:48 Removing item from minutes: 17:13:50 (sound of dueling banjos) 17:14:04 #info you should be able to find your project as a .adoc projet somewhere in the docs project 17:14:31 #info it may be in multiple places, this should be your own chapter (or section or file) 17:16:23 #info you may need to add it in other places: regXboi shows that there is a controller.adoc in the developers-guide, operations-guide and user-guide (should probably also be in the installation guide) 17:16:33 #info raghu67 asks how we plan to deliver the docs when the distribution is downloaded? Are they delivered separately 17:17:08 #info regXboi says there will be site deploy job to a maven site to make them available online 17:18:19 #Info these .adoc files are linked into the “books” which are called bk-*.adoc, e.g., bk-user-guide.adoc (you can find them with something like “find . -name bk*.adoc”) 17:19:26 #info regXboi says that for Helium (unlike in Hydrogen), docs will be forked onto a stable helium brnach that will (forever and always) have helium docs while master will then move on to Lithium and so on 17:20:04 #info networkstatic asks if any of the projects had already done the work and could be used as a reference 17:20:26 #info colindixon says that the l2switch project has documentation that looks good, but that may be on a private repo 17:21:11 #info regXboi says that the “door is open” for projects to start submitting their documentation, so they can be used as a reference 17:22:06 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group:How_To wiki page explaining to projects how to generate and deploy documentation 17:23:05 #info regXboi recommends going through step 5 lots of times, as there are lots of interesting side-effects (i.e. review what it generates, and make sure it looks like you want it to) 17:23:08 #info regXboi notes that step 5 “build/review/edit test documentation by following these steps” is importa, for example you *must* leave a blank line at the end of every chapter of things will go wonky 17:23:21 colindixon: that’s a better one ;) 17:23:45 * tbachman looks for wikipedia entry on “wonky" 17:23:45 #topic demo 17:24:34 #info regXboi edits the controller.adoc file in the developer’s guide to add a few words 17:26:00 #info regXboi notes that if you do “mvn install” it will likely not re-generate the pdfs, make sure to have clean in there, e.g., “mvn clean install" 17:28:01 #info once you’ve made all your changes, push your changes to gerrit 17:28:24 #info the documentation committers may come back and talk to you about your commit 17:28:53 #info shows opening target/docbkx/webhelp/bk-developers-guide/bk-developers-guide-20140915.pdf (now has the controller text in it) 17:30:06 #topic high-level steps 17:30:50 #info 1.) go to the documentaiton how to page and go through the flow chart 17:31:07 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/CrossProject:Documentation_Group:How_To the documentation how to page 17:31:59 #info 2.) the flow chart will tell you what kind of docs you should create 17:32:25 #info 3.) each kind of docs, e.g., user guide, developer guide, has a folder in the docs git repo 17:33:09 #info 4.) in each of those folders there should be a .adoc file for your project, if not, reach out and/or just create it for yourself 17:33:35 #info 5.) add your stuff and test building it to make sure it looks right, then push it for review just like any other code 17:38:58 #topic more questions 17:39:06 #info networkstatic asks if we should focus on the wiki or asciidoc 17:40:12 #info regXboi and colindixon say that they think focusing on the asciidoc makes more sense, but they aren’t part of the docs project 17:40:53 #info colindixon in particular notes that the effort might be less: to get the wiki docs up you need to find the good and elminate the bad, to get the asciidocs working just involves finding the good and copying it into the asciidoc 17:45:01 #info networkstatic asks if the set of docs that gets in that losk good could be sent out to a braoder audience as a good example 17:45:21 #topic hardcore pleading for people to test their features in RCs 17:45:23 ty sir 17:47:02 #info colindixon urges projects to test and use their code as their users would, in order to make sure that everything is working 17:47:31 #info colindixon gets down on his hands an knees and pleads for for people to actually download RCs either the weeklies or the nightlies and test it 17:48:06 Is it this one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PYxjiSYEks44uJByVO1P44rnI5xTJRulpKyrSsDQF9g/edit#gid=528993842 17:48:13 #info colindixon says not just running mvn clean install, but actually bring the distribution up, bring up the features you want to test (and the ones you think people will want to run with your stuff) and then make sure what you want your users to do works 17:48:51 #info do this *at least* once a week, and preferably more often 17:50:00 #topic remaining things 17:50:17 #info what we *need* need to do is test, Test, TEST and doc, Doc, DOC now 17:50:26 lol 17:50:37 * tbachman laughs ([for|at]) networkstatic 17:50:46 #info CASP3R says please, reach out to integration if you need help with tests, etc. 17:50:49 jk 17:51:56 #endmeeting