17:00:12 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc 17:00:12 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 3 17:00:12 2015 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 17:00:12 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:12 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 17:00:17 <colindixon> #topic roll call and agenda bashing 17:00:19 <colindixon> #info colindixon 17:00:33 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=36179#Agenda the agenda in it’s usual place 17:00:42 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 17:01:15 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price 17:01:22 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-08-27-17.00.html last week’s meeting minutes 17:01:58 <colindixon> #info thanks to anipbu for writing M2/M3 survival guides 17:02:21 <colindixon> #action phrobb to start a discussion on the idea of moving from WebEx to something else 17:02:26 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez 17:02:34 <mohnish_> #info mohnish anumala 17:02:38 <colindixon> #action tony to send out an e-mail explaining his alternative solution to version bumping and branch cutting 17:02:46 <colindixon> #action tony and zxiiro to look at the sonar/jacoco reports and try to figure out how (and if) we can reasonby get feature-level code coverage information 17:02:59 <colindixon> #action phrobb to keep working on JIRA and let us know when we can use it 17:03:11 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade from Helium to Lithium (for SR2) https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3160 17:03:19 <anipbu2> M2 survival guide https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release/Guides/M2 17:03:47 <phrobb> Current TSC members colindixon dfarrell07 LuisGomez ChrisPriceAB mohnish_ 17:03:57 <colindixon> #chair phrobb dfarrell07 17:03:57 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb 17:03:59 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke 17:05:06 <colindixon> #topic events 17:05:24 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events the events page in it’s usual place 17:05:39 <colindixon> #info CFP for dusseldorf (with 16 entries) closed on Friday 17:05:53 <ebrjohn> #info I submit a CFP to desseldorf for SFC 17:06:09 <colindixon> #info phrobb will try to get people notified of acceptances for dusseldorf by mid next week 17:06:42 <gzhao> #info phrobb says need to have a good exposure in Openstack for ODL 17:06:46 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2015-10-27-000000-2015-10-30-000000/openstack-summit openstack summit didn’t get many ODL or OPNFV talks, we should figure out how to ahve a strong showing 17:07:22 <colindixon> #info ODL hackfest will be colocated with the OPFNV summit, 11/9-11/10 at the Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport ( 17:07:31 <colindixon> #topic OpenDaylight Summit feedback and planning 17:07:51 <colindixon> #info phrobb asks for feedback, notes attendance on Friday was light 17:08:16 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 said he thought it was awesome, he really liked recording and posting talks—said it was better than everything else he’s been to including LinuxCon 17:08:50 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke said he liked the organization, he liked keeping the dev forum separate from the summit so that people weren’t overcommited, he wants to keep that 17:09:34 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke notes that he got a lot of positive feedback on the tutorials 17:10:14 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow 17:10:17 <colindixon> #Info colindixon says 4 days would be better than 5, edwarnicke points out that’s true, but you need to figure out how that plays with the trade-offs of fitting everything in 17:10:43 <gzhao> #info abhijitkumbhare said most developers would like to be part in user tutorials as well. 17:10:44 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare and dfarrell07 say that they would have liked to attend more of the tutorials, e.g., both developer and user 17:11:20 <jamoluhrsen> I would also have liked to attend dev forum + user 17:11:46 <colindixon> #info phrobb said he heard from some people would have liked to have heard higher-level, strategic content over deeper content 17:13:12 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 said there was not enough coffee 17:13:44 <colindixon> #Info ChrisPriceAB would have liked to see things more concetrated into less floorspace 17:13:50 <ebrjohn> #info I was not happy at all that I had to buy coffee several times 17:14:00 <colindixon> #info dlenrow says it would be good to fix the date as soon as possible 17:14:00 <dfarrell07> ebrjohn: rofl ;) 17:14:17 <colindixon> #topic OpenDaylight summit 2016 planning 17:14:43 <colindixon> #info other feedback came back that doing it in the summer (in particular July/August) is a bad idea, especially for Europeans 17:14:57 * ebrjohn who doesnt take their vacation??? ;) 17:15:10 <colindixon> #info phrobb says that the LF canvassed a bunch of loations to taget next fall (instead of summer) 17:15:35 <colindixon> #info in the bay area, there is nothing available in the Fall 17:15:48 <tykeal> *blech* Bellevue, so little to see there ;) 17:16:03 <dfarrell07> Seattle was really cool, btw 17:16:14 <tykeal> Seattle is great, Bellevue sort of sucks 17:16:33 <abhijitkumbhare> We should have in Hawaii :) 17:16:39 <tykeal> that would be "Bellingham" around here ;) 17:16:55 <colindixon> #info they looked at doing something the last week of September in Bellevue, but the board gave feedback on doing things maybe a different time and staying in the Bay area if we can 17:17:12 <colindixon> #info the idea of the bay area in June was floated and is being looked at 17:17:52 <colindixon> #info phrobb says that assuming a normal 6 month cadence Boron release would be sometime around august 2016 17:20:28 <abhijitkumbhare> June is also start of summer vacations (for kids schools) - so works easier for vacations 17:20:38 <jmedved> #info jmedved 17:20:55 <colindixon> #info thus if we did a june-ish date for the summit with a hackfest, we would move the dev forum to a different time after the boron release 17:21:56 <colindixon> #info phrobb asks how early June in the bay area would work for a summit for the technical community 17:22:13 <tykeal> ChrisPriceAB: you should be careful about saying you don't have a life ;) 17:22:29 <colindixon> #info ChrisPriceAB asks that we try avoid conflicting with others, e.g., the OPNFV summit in June in Europe 17:23:19 <colindixon> #info phrobb notes that the board worries about moving things from the bay area in terms of losing attendance 17:24:37 <colindixon> #info phrobb noes that the LF events staff says that as you move things around you tend to get local attendees (and retain some of them across years) 17:24:38 <dneary> Doesn't Bellevue stand for "beautiful view"? 17:24:43 * tykeal notes that Bellevue doesn't have the same connotation to those in Washington, it would be Bellingham that has that connotation to us ;) 17:24:45 <abhijitkumbhare> +1 to September (as opposed to June due to vacations for many folks and possibly the OPNFV summit as ChrisPriceAB suggested) 17:24:54 <gzhao> colindixon: may not be a bad thing, because people has nothing to do but concentrate on ODL 17:24:54 <ebrjohn> dneary: maybe it did 100 years ago 17:25:19 <ttkacik1> given it will be in September - No summit for beryllium? 17:25:31 <dneary> Is it Bellevue, Bellview, or some other spelling? 17:25:40 <colindixon> Bellevue 17:25:49 <edwarnicke> I think that conference fatigue can be solved with dfarrell07 's plan to provide more coffee ;) 17:25:53 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 +1s moving the Summit through various large cities, hoping to get the "pick up locals who now travel to Summit" benifit LF has seen 17:25:58 <dfarrell07> edwarnicke: ;) 17:26:16 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare says he’d prefer the september dates 17:26:42 <dneary> phrobb: Can I suggest a Yang/network application developer tutorial? Something like what was done in the boot camp in China? 17:26:52 <dneary> colindixon, Bellevue, FL? 17:26:54 <gzhao> dneary: +1 17:26:57 <ChrisPriceAB> Likes that approach, worth a try 17:27:01 <colindixon> dneary: Bellevue, WA 17:27:02 <ttkacik1> dneary: +1 17:27:17 <ttkacik1> dneary: app dev tutorials will be critical 17:27:22 <dneary> colindixon, OK, thanks 17:27:29 <colindixon> #info dneary suggests a YANG network application developer tutorial something like what was done in the China bootcammp 17:27:32 <abhijitkumbhare> edwarnicke dfarrell07 - we can make sure to get enough sleep in the night with a drinks session in the evenings :) 17:27:58 <dneary> colindixon, Bellevue is in Seattle 17:28:00 <edwarnicke> abhijitkumbhare: Due to my particular proclivities for libations, I can drink heavily and still be fine the next day :) 17:28:01 <dneary> Right? 17:28:03 <colindixon> #info phrobb says there’s an idea of a new format which might hit good trade-offs in terms of 4 days, developer forum, summit, tutorials, etc. 17:28:08 <colindixon> dneary: no, it’s not 17:28:15 <colindixon> dneary: it’s on the others side of a lake 17:28:16 <abhijitkumbhare> sure edwarnicke :) 17:28:27 <colindixon> dneary: the lake eats all the culture, bars, food, and life 17:28:34 <colindixon> it doesn’t make it across 17:28:56 <ebrjohn> what about Boulder, CO ? 17:29:22 <colindixon> #action phrobb to send an e-mail asking for any feedback about planning the ODL summit for 2016 17:29:38 <abhijitkumbhare> ebrjohn: is that for legalization of something - I forgot what it was that got legalized : ) 17:29:53 <colindixon> #topic Beryllium 17:29:56 <ebrjohn> abhijitkumbhare: ;) 17:30:26 <colindixon> #info anipbu says that they’re addressing build issues with a cycle between aaa/netconf, patches are coming 17:30:31 <dfarrell07> ebrjohn abhijitkumbhare Seattle too ;) 17:30:35 <zxiiro> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/26205/ 17:30:59 <colindixon> #info zxiiro has been looking at sonar coverage this week to give all projects sonar code coverage for unit tests 17:32:55 <colindixon> #info the above patch when merged should give sonar unti test coverage for all projects 17:33:50 <dneary> colindixon, The floating bridge has to float on the bodies of something 17:33:59 <colindixon> #info ttkacik1 says that he figured out what the difference betwen jenkins code coverage and sonar code coverage reporting was, it was that sonar only counts UT in the same artifact 17:34:00 <tykeal> dneary: LOL 17:35:09 <colindixon> #info M2 offset 2 is today, send your things in 17:35:42 <colindixon> #Info zxiiro says that once the odlparent patch goes in, he will be proposing patches to remove the (often incorrect) jacoco config from their pom files 17:36:48 <colindixon> #info zxiiro says that IT stuff has to be done in the IT pom, integration-parent might be a good choice 17:36:59 <colindixon> #topic stable/lithium 17:37:33 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-September/003754.html thread on moving Lithium-SR3 17:37:48 <colindixon> #topic system integration and test 17:37:52 <gzhao> anipbu2: thank you, well done. 17:38:08 <colindixon> #info not too much this week, the split happened and the issues seem to have been resolve 17:39:11 <colindixon> #info colindixon notes that only distribution of the integration projects is formally participating in Beryllium, he asks if there are any problems with that 17:39:58 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke asks if packaging needs to participate, dfarrell07 says that there was a long thread on that and decided intentionally not to, they package after the release 17:40:20 <colindixon> #Info dfarrell07 says that right now there is no continuous packaging delivery, but they’re moving that way 17:41:42 <colindixon> #topic infastructure 17:42:19 <colindixon> #Info yesterday they were having API issues with Rackspace, seems to have sorted itself out now 17:42:43 <colindixon> #info tykeal says that he now has a very, very basic Ubuntu image, but it’s yet to be tested in the sandbox 17:43:46 * edwarnicke turns cartwheels in his living room 17:43:53 <colindixon> #info tykeal says now is the time for people to start submitting patches to the ubutu vagrant in releng to see if they work 17:44:06 <rovarga_> any ETA on JIRA? :) 17:44:10 <colindixon> #topic mature projects/stable features 17:44:22 <colindixon> #Undo 17:44:22 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x1d33350> 17:44:32 * edwarnicke would also like to ask about odlforge 17:44:35 <rovarga_> tykeal: cool, thanks 17:44:53 <colindixon> #info tykeal says JIRA is next on his list and odlforge is somewhat further down on his list 17:44:58 <colindixon> #topic mature projects/stable features 17:45:06 <dfarrell07> we <3 tykeal 17:45:19 <colindixon> everyone <3 tykeal 17:45:44 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke says there’s lots of stuff about stable feautres in the Beryllium release plan 17:46:10 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke notes that if we wait until the release review for the TSC to bless stable features, we will not get the results that we want 17:46:58 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke suggests instead (as PTL of distribution) that we start anipbu putting together a list of stable candiate feautres which could then be includied in a stable candidate distribution so we can start testing this stuff sooner 17:47:09 <colindixon> edwarnicke: huge +1 17:47:15 <colindixon> LuisGomez: also says huge +1 17:47:35 <anipbu2> Okay, will put together spreadsheet for stable candidate features. 17:47:51 <colindixon> anipbu: my suggestion would be to create another tab of the existing spreadsheet 17:49:11 <anipbu2> okay 17:49:58 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke notes that this would not be an official stable release, but a candidate one, i.e., we wouldn’t need to enforce everything 17:52:23 <edwarnicke> +10000 for use of extended 17:52:50 <colindixon> #info ttkacik1 notes that you have to have two feaute repositories, e.g., one stable and one for everythign else (called extended) 17:58:11 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-September/003763.html proposed clarifications to the graudation review for a projec to be mature 18:00:15 <colindixon> #topic cookies 18:00:22 <edwarnicke> Apologies, I have to drop 18:00:33 <colindixon> #info dlenrow says the first ODL user group is on Tuesday in Caimbridge, MA 18:00:49 <tykeal> I've added links to pictures ;) 18:01:02 <phrobb> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2015-09-08-000000/odlug-northeast-usa-initial-f2f-meeting First NorthEast ODLUG Meeting 18:01:02 <ChrisPriceAB> will be cookies, dave promised 18:01:18 <colindixon> #endmeeting