17:59:19 <dfarrell07> #startmeeting tsc 17:59:20 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 10 17:59:19 2015 UTC. The chair is dfarrell07. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 17:59:20 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:59:20 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 17:59:36 <dfarrell07> #topic Roll call and agenda bashing 17:59:43 <dfarrell07> TSC members please #info in 17:59:50 <dfarrell07> #chair phrobb anipbu 17:59:50 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: anipbu dfarrell07 phrobb 18:00:01 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell is the proxy for Colin Dixon's CAL seat and acting TSC Chair 18:00:12 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004331.html Colin's proxy to Daniel 18:00:20 <dfarrell07> #info Jamo Luhrsen is the proxy for Red Hat's TSC seat 18:00:26 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004368.html Daniel's proxy to Jamo 18:00:32 <dfarrell07> #info Ryan Goulding is the proxy for Luis Gomez/Brocade 18:00:39 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004373.html Luis' proxy to Ryan 18:00:52 <dfarrell07> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=39114 This week's agenda 18:00:57 * tykeal wonders if we're going to have an entire TSC meeting sometimes that is all proxies ;) 18:01:31 <dfarrell07> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2015/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2015-12-03-18.00.html Last week's meeting minutes 18:01:48 <dfarrell07> #info Adding #actions carried over from past weeks 18:02:02 <dfarrell07> #info First, #actions that may have happened and need discussion 18:02:11 <dfarrell07> #info Drop-dead date for stable distribution was resolved last week, we're past it 18:02:16 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price (on the roll) 18:02:21 <jamoluhrsen> #info jamoluhrsen 18:02:25 <dfarrell07> #action colindixon to start a discussion if we could have a stable release in Beryllum noting that it might not be possible 18:02:38 <dfarrell07> #action phrobb to poll the PTLs about Hackfest attendance 18:03:11 <dfarrell07> #info ChUsama is working on JDK8 for jamoluhrsen, blocked by login bug/issue atm, people are looking at it and progress is being made 18:03:45 <alagalah> #info alagalah for Ed Warnicke (sorry I'm late) 18:04:03 <dfarrell07> #info zxiiro has a bug for feature-level code coverage 18:04:13 <rgoulding> #info Ryan Goulding 18:04:24 <ChrisPriceAB> no progress 18:04:29 <zxiiro> #link https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4717 feature level code coverage bug 18:04:30 <dfarrell07> #action phrobb and/or gzhao to work with ChrisPriceAB to figure when/where/who would run a Europe boot camp 18:04:47 <gzhao> no update for me either 18:04:48 <dfarrell07> #action Andrew M. to get with Phil Robb to perform Inbound Code Review on initial code to be contributed 18:04:59 <dfarrell07> #action dfarrell07 to continue to drive TSC election refactoring to a vote 18:05:12 <dfarrell07> #info Dump of #actions I don't think have happened and just need to be carried over 18:05:19 <dfarrell07> #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade to Beryllium? 18:05:25 <dfarrell07> #action colindixon to send a mail with some ideas about running tutorials with new known knows 18:05:29 <dfarrell07> #action colindixon to add instructions to upload materials before creation reviews to the proposal instructions 18:05:42 <dfarrell07> #action rovarga, alagalah, mohnish, ttkacik, vishnoianil, ebrjohn, RPenno, abhijitkumbhare will try to draft a paragraph around the best practices including this discussion and feedback (to be gotten) from PTLS, they should also feel free to provide feedback around tools and technical solutions to help with upstream/downstream breakages 18:05:47 <dfarrell07> #topic Events 18:05:52 <dfarrell07> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events OpenDaylight events page 18:05:57 <dfarrell07> #info Neela spoke at the BTE Executive Summit this week in Dublin 18:06:03 <dfarrell07> #info The Okinawa Open Days are next week, 12/14/2015. Neela is speaking. 18:06:08 <dfarrell07> #info Open Networking Summit CFP is open. Apply! 18:06:14 <dfarrell07> #link http://opennetsummit.org/program/ Open Networking Summit CFP page 18:06:33 <dfarrell07> #action phrobb to send ONS CFP reminder, get it on the ODL website 18:06:35 <mohnish_> #info mohnish anumala 18:07:09 <ChrisPriceAB> #info OPNFV will be running an OPNFV dev event on the Monday and Tuesday of the ONS 18:07:23 <dfarrell07> #info we have quorum 18:07:38 <dfarrell07> #topic Pre-Boron 18:07:48 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004359.html Latest pre-Boron updates from Thanh 18:07:56 <dfarrell07> #info SFC <-> OVSDB cyclic dependency issue was handled, long-term solution is to spin out netvirt into a new project as planned 18:08:11 <dfarrell07> #info that everything's working except SNMP4SDN, which is breaking both pre-Boron and Beryllium 18:08:23 <dfarrell07> #topic Beryllium 18:08:29 <dfarrell07> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Beryllium_Release_Plan#Schedule Beryllium schedule 18:08:30 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow 18:08:37 <dfarrell07> #info 9 projects missing 18:08:45 <dfarrell07> #info M4 offset-2 and M5 offset-0 were last week, 12/3/2015 18:08:48 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow (irc only) 18:09:15 <dfarrell07> #info FaaS is blocking autorelease, ACKd, bug documented 18:09:25 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 and zxiiro need to get Be building so they can start providing "Experimental Release Previews" to OPNFV 18:10:13 <dfarrell07> #info anipbu has sent out a poll for sync meeting times, please fill it out 18:10:56 <dfarrell07> #info Be build time has slowed down by a few hours 18:11:17 <dfarrell07> #info zxiiro is still looking into autorelease build time issues 18:11:23 <dfarrell07> #topic Stable/Lithium 18:11:31 <dfarrell07> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ktL11ElNdf4D3RUeRNUd8SPnYO0to0DxzSZGst0KdMQ/edit#gid=1055423260 Lithium status spreadsheet 18:11:39 <dfarrell07> #info Lithium SR3 was released last week 18:11:49 <dfarrell07> #link https://nexus.opendaylight.org/content/repositories/opendaylight.release/org/opendaylight/integration/distribution-karaf/0.3.3-Lithium-SR3/ Lithium SR3 release artifacts 18:11:56 <dfarrell07> #info Li SR3 isn't on the official Downloads page yet, need to get it there 18:12:01 <dfarrell07> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/downloads ODL downloads page, no Li SR3 atm 18:12:55 <dfarrell07> #topic System integration and test 18:12:59 <dfarrell07> #info Everything seems to be working 18:13:07 <dfarrell07> #topic Infrastructure 18:13:12 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 heard some mentions of Jenkins issues (slowness). Asks if it's good to go now. 18:13:26 <dfarrell07> #info tykeal has been poking the Rackspace private cloud 18:13:36 <gzhao> dfarrell07: I like that summary. 18:13:38 <dfarrell07> #info tykeal is looking at January at the soonest for moving into it 18:13:51 <ChrisPriceAB> privately I hope 18:14:06 <dfarrell07> #topic Wiki updates 18:14:43 <dfarrell07> #info Casey Cain has been working on creating a better ODL wiki main page, updating ODL wiki themes, generally making the wiki less haphazard 18:15:04 <dfarrell07> #info Casey reports that most work is nearly done, about go into production 18:15:26 <dfarrell07> #info (from wiki) Name -> pref -> appearance to get the new theme 18:16:17 <dfarrell07> #info everyone should go demo the wiki and give feedback 18:16:45 <CaseyODL> To change your theme on the wiki, click your name in the upper right > Preferences > Appearance: Skin - Strapping 18:18:04 <dfarrell07> #topic RelEng/Builder committer promotion 18:18:12 <dfarrell07> #info Jamo Luhrsen up for committer promotion for RelEng/Builder 18:18:25 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004364.html Request for TSC vote 18:18:30 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/dev/2015-December/001477.html Thread with +1s from all committers 18:18:36 <dfarrell07> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/owner:%22Jamo+Luhrsen%22+project:releng/builder Jamo's contributions to RelEng/Builder 18:19:17 <dfarrell07> #vote Shall the TSC approve Jamo Luhrsen as a committer to RelEng/Builder? -1,0,+1 18:19:23 <dfarrell07> #startvote Shall the TSC approve Jamo Luhrsen as a committer to RelEng/Builder? -1,0,+1 18:19:23 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Jamo Luhrsen as a committer to RelEng/Builder? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:19:23 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:19:35 <alagalah> #vote +1 18:19:36 <dfarrell07> #vote +1 18:19:36 <mohnish_> #vote +1 18:19:41 <rgoulding> #vote +1 18:19:46 <dfarrell07> jamoluhrsen 18:19:53 <dfarrell07> ChrisPriceAB 18:19:57 <jamoluhrsen> do I vote for myself? 18:20:04 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 18:20:04 <ChrisPriceAB> ahh sorry 18:20:07 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1 18:20:13 <gzhao> jamoluhrsen: yes 18:20:23 <uri_> VOTE +1 18:20:31 <tykeal> uri_: that's #vote 18:20:37 <uri_> #Vote +1 18:20:49 <dfarrell07> #endvote 18:20:49 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Jamo Luhrsen as a committer to RelEng/Builder?" Results are 18:20:49 <odl_meetbot> +1 (7): rgoulding, ChrisPriceAB, dfarrell07, uri_, jamoluhrsen, alagalah, mohnish_ 18:20:58 <uri_> #vote +1 18:21:04 * ChrisPriceAB congratulates Jamo 18:21:08 <gzhao> jamoluhrsen: congratulations 18:21:15 <dfarrell07> #topic OpenFlow Plugin committer promotion 18:21:17 <Prem> jamoluhrsen: Congrats!! 18:21:23 <dfarrell07> #info Kamal Rameshan up for committer promotion for OpenFlow Plugin 18:21:31 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004366.html Request for TSC vote 18:21:32 <jamoluhrsen> thanks ChrisPriceAB gzhao Prem 18:21:36 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/openflowplugin-dev/2015-December/004382.html Thread with +1s from 4/7 committers, 4/5 active committers 18:21:38 <abhijitkumbhare> https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/owner:%22Kamal+Rameshan%22+project:openflowplugin 18:21:44 <dfarrell07> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/project:openflowplugin+owner:Kamal+Rameshan Kamal's contributions to OpenFlow Plugin 18:22:08 <dfarrell07> #info Lots of good OF clustering work 18:23:24 <dfarrell07> #startvote Shall the TSC approve Kamal Rameshan as a committer to OpenFlow Plugin? -1,0,+1 18:23:24 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Kamal Rameshan as a committer to OpenFlow Plugin? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:23:24 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:23:29 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1 18:23:30 <alagalah> #vote +1 18:23:33 <rgoulding> #vote +1 18:23:34 <dfarrell07> #vote +1 18:23:36 <uri_> #vote +1 18:23:40 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 18:23:41 <mohnish_> #vote +1 18:23:48 <dfarrell07> #endvote 18:23:48 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Kamal Rameshan as a committer to OpenFlow Plugin?" Results are 18:23:48 <odl_meetbot> +1 (7): rgoulding, dfarrell07, ChrisPriceAB, uri_, jamoluhrsen, alagalah, mohnish_ 18:24:26 <dfarrell07> #topic Messaging4Transport committer promotion 18:24:37 <dfarrell07> #info Thanh Ha up for committer promotion for Messaging4Transport 18:24:44 <dfarrell07> #info Missing second committer +1 documentation (was in IRC, waiting on email we can link to) 18:24:50 <abhijitkumbhare> jamoluhrsen & Kamal Rameshan congrats for committer promotions :) 18:25:28 <dfarrell07> #info we are working under the assumption that the in-mail +1 will happen 18:25:34 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-December/004343.html Request for TSC vote 18:25:41 <dfarrell07> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/owner:%22Thanh+Ha+%253Cthanh.ha%2540linuxfoundation.org%253E%22+project:messaging4transport Thanh's contributions to Messaging4Transport 18:25:59 <tykeal> lol do you need that for zxiiro? ;) 18:26:02 <dfarrell07> #startvote Shall the TSC approve Thanh Ha as a committer to Messaging4Transport, assuming the final committer +1 happens? -1,0,+1 18:26:02 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Thanh Ha as a committer to Messaging4Transport, assuming the final committer +1 happens? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:26:02 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:26:08 <mohnish_> #vote +1 18:26:14 <rgoulding> #vote +1 18:26:15 <dfarrell07> #vote +1 18:26:18 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 18:26:18 <alagalah> #vote +1 18:26:20 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1 18:26:22 <uri_> #vote +1 18:26:31 <dfarrell07> #endvote 18:26:31 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Thanh Ha as a committer to Messaging4Transport, assuming the final committer +1 happens?" Results are 18:26:31 <odl_meetbot> +1 (7): rgoulding, ChrisPriceAB, dfarrell07, uri_, jamoluhrsen, alagalah, mohnish_ 18:26:42 <mohnish_> Thanh: Thanks for helping them out 18:26:51 <dfarrell07> #topic TSC election refactoring 18:26:58 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-October/004026.html TSC election refactoring discussion 18:27:03 <dfarrell07> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Election_Proposal Proposed framework 18:27:10 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 has attempted for nail-down details in an Election Proposal wiki 18:27:12 <gzhao> zxiiro: you can be committer for every project -:) 18:27:16 <dfarrell07> #info Election Proposal wiki includes framework of ideas that seem to have consensus and subs for ideas that don't, with pointers to proposals 18:27:40 <zxiiro> gzhao: haha 18:27:46 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 thinks the main questions remaining are: 1) Election frequency 2) Company caps 3) Represented Groups {# seats, candidates, voters} for this election 18:27:52 <dfarrell07> #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method edwarnicke pointed out that Condorcet may be a good alternative to STV, dfarrell07 needs to look into it 18:36:57 <abhijitkumbhare> is everyone able to hear? suddenly lost audio 18:37:26 <mohnish_> yes 18:37:36 <abhijitkumbhare> will dial back in 18:37:40 <dfarrell07> #info rovarga_ ChrisPriceAB abhijitkumbhare voice support for PTL-heavy Represented Groups vs "CAL Heavy" proposals 18:38:05 <dfarrell07> #info PTLs have the most direct interaction with TSC 18:38:07 <ChrisPriceAB> Ack 18:38:15 <abhijitkumbhare> Ack 18:38:38 * ChrisPriceAB Syn's abhijitkumbhare 18:38:39 <phrobb_> #info dfarrell07 notes that the proposals that are *not* CAL heavy are getting more support in the discussion 18:38:55 <abhijitkumbhare> Syn-ack ChrisPriceAB :) 18:39:24 <phrobb_> #info dfarrell07 asks for thought on election frequency 18:39:38 <dfarrell07> #info ChrisPriceAB thinks frequencies linked with milestones may cause more time crunch 18:40:23 <alagalah> I don't think Release based governance is a bad idea 18:40:29 <alagalah> Aren't we going to CI/CD ? 18:40:34 <dfarrell07> #info abhijitkumbhare points out that 6 month (ODL cycles) may be too frequent, others agree 18:40:39 <phrobb_> #info discussion ensues on the benefits/concerns with doing elections tied to release schedule 18:40:47 <ChrisPriceAB> Could do it after every second release, that would work pretty well I think 18:40:53 <alagalah> Weekly TSC meetings take on a whole new meaning :) 18:40:54 <ChrisPriceAB> +1 alagalah 18:41:05 <dfarrell07> #info gzhao points out that self-nomination is critical 18:41:10 <mohnish_> I think it makes sense to have 2 release cycle for TSC 18:41:19 <dfarrell07> #info gzhao wants to be sure we promote mature and core projects 18:41:40 <dfarrell07> #info various people voice support for bi-release TSC elections 18:42:35 <ChrisPriceAB> Pre-M1 could work 18:42:42 <rovarga_> #info release 'themes' do not really work for SRs, as the focus tends to differ across projects 18:42:56 <gzhao> +1 pre M1 or M1 18:43:01 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 asks hould we pin to a milestone or a date? 18:43:31 <abhijitkumbhare> Sounds good to me as well - may be M0 can have that as a purpose? 18:43:45 <dfarrell07> #action dfarrell07 will drive Pre-M1, bi-election discussion 18:44:18 <dfarrell07> #info should we do elections before next release planning? the incoming TSC may not want to support the ideas of previous TSC 18:44:22 <alagalah> I agree with rovarga_ 18:44:29 <alagalah> Any new TSC would have to be able to define the release 18:44:31 <abhijitkumbhare> +1 rovarga_ 18:44:58 <ChrisPriceAB> I wouldn't want to start the process before the RC phase of the outgoing release though. After CF and Before release planning. 18:45:17 <alagalah> ChrisPriceAB, right 18:45:24 <rovarga_> ChrisPriceAB: +1 18:45:45 <dfarrell07> #topic Advancing projects to Mature 18:45:57 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-November/004144.html Moving projects to Mature discussion 18:46:01 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2015-September/003783.html Lengthy thread on our current approach 18:46:06 <dfarrell07> #info Integration/Test was the first to submit a completed Graduation Review template, posted on 12/5/2015 18:46:11 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/project-proposals/2015-December/000382.html Integration/Test Graduation Review template public posting, 12/5/2015. 18:46:18 <dfarrell07> #info Int/Test's two-week waiting period will end on 12/19/2015. The next TSC after that is 12/24/2015 (Christmas Eve), so likely will not be able to hear Graduation Review at TSC until after the holidays. 18:47:37 <alagalah> dfarrell07, Easy 18:47:49 <alagalah> dfarrell07, Finding links to emails is a PITA 18:48:06 <alagalah> Can't search archives easily but thats always been an issue 18:48:08 <phrobb_> The TSC should decide if we are meeting on either 12/24 or 12/31 during this meeting, so we can set everyone's expectations 18:48:27 <rgoulding> Just need a bit of time. 18:48:28 <ChrisPriceAB> that's an easy one phrobb_ 18:48:39 <alagalah> dfarrell07, Is there a deadline ? 18:48:43 <phrobb_> prolly ChrisPriceAB but just want it documented :-) 18:49:30 <alagalah> :) 18:50:34 * alagalah as a proxy for Ed, I'm all for tasking him with another meeting :) 18:50:51 <phrobb_> #info abhijitkumbhare asks "do holidays count toward the 2 week public review period?"... the answer is "yes, the holiday period does count toward the public review period. 18:50:52 <jamoluhrsen> alagalah, LOL 18:51:33 <dfarrell07> #topic ODL TSC Meetings During Holidays 18:51:38 <phrobb_> #info dfarrell07 asks "do we have consensus to not have tsc mtgs on 12/24 and 12/31? 18:51:39 <dfarrell07> #agreed The TSC will not meet on 12/24 or 12/31 18:51:59 <dfarrell07> #topic cookies 18:52:07 <alagalah> dfarrell07, Nice job 18:52:08 <gzhao> dfarrell07: good job 18:52:14 <mohnish_> good job 18:52:20 <ChrisPriceAB> #info great job Dan! 18:52:21 <tykeal> #info https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjSg4mg-9HJAhUO8WMKHVc4A04QtwIIKzAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKeaehxEdpgo&usg=AFQjCNEjE8Ze6Z2akm2Gst_WmQUGYA_IYQ&sig2=pwfDPqTXbVbw2OSxILxrfg&bvm=bv.109395566,d.cGc 18:52:22 <gzhao> sync with alagalah 18:52:23 <tykeal> ;) 18:52:28 <ChrisPriceAB> #info #cookies for Dan 18:52:29 <rovarga_> dfarrell07: good (and speedy) job! :) 18:52:44 * dfarrell07 has a new level of appreciation for Colin's TSC Chair work 18:52:56 <dfarrell07> #topic cookies 18:52:59 <dfarrell07> #endmeeting