18:00:08 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc 18:00:08 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 18:00:08 2016 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:00:08 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:00:08 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 18:00:13 <colindixon> #topic agenda bashing and roll call 18:00:22 <colindixon> #chair anipbu phrobb phrobb_ 18:00:22 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: anipbu colindixon phrobb phrobb_ 18:00:26 <colindixon> #info colindixon 18:00:59 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=40151#Agenda today's agenda 18:01:03 <colindixon> TSC members please #info in 18:01:16 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2016-01-07-18.00.html last week's meeting minutes for action items 18:02:46 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell 18:02:54 <snackewm> #info Eric Multanen 18:02:58 <mohnish_> #info mohnish anumala 18:03:29 <jmedved> #info jmedved 18:03:47 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez 18:03:47 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke 18:04:08 <colindixon> #action colindixon to keep boron planning on our minds 18:04:24 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-January/004552.html Cross-project breakage thread 18:04:43 <shague> #info shague 18:05:01 <flaviof> #info flaviof 18:05:08 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-January/004554.html best practices for preventing/handling cross-project breakages 18:05:49 <colindixon> #action colindixon to add the best practices for preventing/handling cross-project breakages to the next TWS meeting as at least a brief topic 18:05:57 <dfarrell07> flaviof, shague it's just TSC voters that need to #info in, FYI (unless you guys have a chair somehow I'm not aware of?) 18:06:27 <flaviof> dfarrell07 nope, I'm used to #info on meeting I participate... sorry 18:06:33 <colindixon> #chair dfarrell07 18:06:33 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: anipbu colindixon dfarrell07 phrobb phrobb_ 18:06:39 <dfarrell07> #undo 18:06:39 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x1feced0> 18:06:40 <dfarrell07> #undo 18:06:40 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x1fecc10> 18:06:50 <dfarrell07> #undo 18:06:50 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x1fd0e90> 18:06:51 <dfarrell07> #undo 18:06:51 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x1feca90> 18:06:57 <colindixon> #action jamoluhrsen to go update the wikis with relevant "now approved" pointers/info 18:07:06 <dfarrell07> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-January/004554.html best practices for preventing/handling cross-project breakages 18:07:12 <dfarrell07> #action colindixon to add the best practices for preventing/handling cross-project breakages to the next TWS meeting as at least a brief topic 18:07:24 <colindixon> #action phrobb to make sure ONS is listed under ODL's events page 18:07:32 * dfarrell07 hopes that was right, idk 18:07:39 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade to Boron? 18:08:13 <dfarrell07> #info ONS CFP closes 1/15 tomorrow, but keep in mind that UTC can be tricky so maybe shoot for today 18:08:53 <colindixon> #action phrobb and/or gzhao to work with ChrisPriceAB to continue to figure out when/where/who would run a Europe boot camp 18:09:05 <colindixon> dfarrell07: I more meant as an event you might wnat to attend, but noted 18:09:55 <colindixon> #topic TSC elections 18:10:22 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 says he was hoping to get a broader communit discussion during the last week, but it didn't happen 18:10:49 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-January/004545.html the end of that thread with some ideas of how to enage more people 18:12:18 <abhijitkumbhare> #info abhijitkumbhare for ChrisPriceAB 18:12:58 <abhijitkumbhare> ChrisPriceAB just sent me a message (hence did the info) 18:13:19 <colindixon> #action colindixon and dfarrell07 to make sure there is some time (likely TWS) to try to provide more understandability 18:13:59 <dfarrell07> #info suggestion for easier feedback - more examples 18:14:32 <colindixon> #info colindixon notes some people have privately communicated to him that they felt like they felt like they would be more likely to embarass themselves than provide valuable feedback, which probably needs some explicit attention 18:15:29 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 has been working on an ODL election machine in python, but it might help to geneate examples 18:16:38 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare says if we need tooling, things might be more complicated than is a good idea 18:18:54 <colindixon> #startvote will you be here for the TWS on Monday if we have it on MLK day? yes, no 18:18:54 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: will you be here for the TWS on Monday if we have it on MLK day? Valid vote options are yes, no. 18:18:54 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:19:04 <dfarrell07> #vote yes 18:19:06 <colindixon> #vote yes 18:19:13 <jamoluhrsen> #vote no 18:19:17 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote yes 18:19:18 <jmedved> #vote no 18:19:19 <phrobb_> #vote no 18:19:19 <snackewm> #vote no 18:19:30 <gzhao> #vote no 18:19:31 <colindixon> #vote yes 18:20:01 <mohnish_> #vote no 18:20:01 <colindixon> #endvote 18:20:01 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "will you be here for the TWS on Monday if we have it on MLK day?" Results are 18:20:01 <odl_meetbot> yes (3): colindixon, dfarrell07, abhijitkumbhare 18:20:01 <odl_meetbot> no (6): gzhao, jmedved, snackewm, jamoluhrsen, phrobb_, mohnish_ 18:20:16 <colindixon> #Info it sounds like it's not worth doing, actually 7 nos and only 3 yeses 18:20:40 <colindixon> #topic events 18:20:44 <dfarrell07> #action colindixon phrobb_ to get TWS topics squared away 18:20:51 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events 18:21:01 <colindixon> #info the CFP for ONS is closing TOMORROW 18:21:12 <colindixon> #info OpenStack's CFP is open until the end of the month 18:22:04 <colindixon> #Info phrobb_ is at a modeling workshop that the ETSi people put toegether with ~12 SDOs and a handfull of open source projects 18:22:52 <colindixon> #Info phrobb_ says that there is only one ONS application place, not a separate track for ODL 18:23:06 <colindixon> #topic pre-boron 18:23:27 <colindixon> #info branch cutting and version bumping will be done today after the meeting 18:24:00 <colindixon> #info this will involve removing all the pre-boron jobs and then creating boron jobs to cover master after branch cutting 18:24:14 <colindixon> #info autorelease-validate jobs will have to be disabled during branch cutting 18:24:20 <tykeal> lol 18:25:00 <colindixon> #info zxiiro says he's planning to keep the pre-boron branch around for a month to make sure he cherry-picks everything correctly, then he'll likely delete the branches 18:25:17 <phrobb_> @ jmedved I muted you as you had background/hold music going :-) 18:25:53 <colindixon> #info zxiiro says his current plan is to just cherry-pick, but not merge patches 18:26:00 <colindixon> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/status:merged+branch:pre-boron list of all merged patches on pre-boron 18:26:57 <colindixon> #undo 18:26:57 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x1f6cc10> 18:27:14 <colindixon> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/q/status:merged+branch:pre-boron+NOT+owner:%22Thanh+Ha+%253Cthanh.ha%2540linuxfoundation.org%253E%22,25 list of all patches merged to pre-boron that aren't from zxiiro (about 40) 18:27:33 <colindixon> #topic Beryllium 18:27:39 <colindixon> #info offset 2 M5 is due today 18:28:12 <colindixon> #info anipbu notes that we had an issue with LACP breaking autorelease, it's been reverted and fixed so things are again moving 18:28:28 <colindixon> #info the build for RC0 will start on 1/21 (about a week from now) 18:28:44 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather#Current_Weather_Report the weather 18:29:18 <colindixon> #info there is a meeting at 9a on Monday to attend a meeting to figure out about conflicting OpenFlow plugin designs conflict (-li vs. normal) 18:29:39 <jamoluhrsen> +1 for projects to give opinion on two different ofp impls 18:29:59 <colindixon> #Info anipbu says we need to address it in Beryllium in some way 18:30:15 <LuisGomez> most of pre-boron patches have corresponding master cherry-pick, I wonder people understood the purpose of this branch… 18:31:31 <colindixon> #info rovarga asks if this will be a possible Beyllium slippage, anipbu and colindixon say the really hope and believe not 18:32:51 <colindixon> #info rovarga says he thinks this does pose some risks to the release 18:34:04 <colindixon> #info colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, LuisGomez, and others say the worst case is to carefully document things, we can still hope for a better way 18:36:14 * ebrjohn nice description Ed, "Explody boom" :) 18:37:07 <colindixon> #info colindixon says the bare minimum of what he'd want to see us do is provide a validator that will let you know if you've managed to install conflicting things 18:37:47 <colindixon> #inof the monday meeting about this is just the normal OF plugin meeting, so find details on their homepage 18:37:51 <colindixon> #info the monday meeting about this is just the normal OF plugin meeting, so find details on their homepage 18:38:28 <colindixon> #info every wednesday at 7:30a pacific time we have a Beyrllium sync on IRC in #opendaylight-meeting (this room), please attend 18:38:30 <anipbu> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release/Beryllium/Weekly_Sync_Meeting 18:38:51 <colindixon> #topic system integration and test 18:39:12 <colindixon> #info last week we checked about REST responses changing, but that's been reverted so ignore that 18:39:42 <colindixon> #info earlier this week, had issues with verify jobs, but they're working now 18:39:48 <colindixon> #topic infrastructure 18:39:57 <colindixon> #Info yesterday jenkins was basically dead 18:40:22 <colindixon> #info zxiiro and tykeal made jenkins and gerrit bigger and brought them back up as an emergency, and things seem happy since then 18:40:39 <colindixon> #info rovarga says both seem happy as a clam now 18:41:01 <colindixon> #info went from 30 GB of RAM to 60 GB to do this, still have 24 GB free for now 18:41:17 <colindixon> #info tykeal says we are at a point where we have one more larger system and after that we're out-of-luck 18:41:47 <colindixon> #info tykeal says we desperately need zuul and nodepool to be able to scale 18:43:38 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 says that the integration call this morning also remembered the idea about maybe moving to JIRA, just to remind people that this exists 18:45:52 <colindixon> #Info rovarga also chimes in around JIRA, colindixon suggests maling list threads, meetings and eventually documentation on how to move 18:45:57 <colindixon> #topic OVSDB Graduation review 18:46:07 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/OVSDB_Integration:OVSDB_NetVirt_Mature_Graduation_Proposal the proposal 18:46:46 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/project-proposals/2015-December/000383.html requested a review with e-mail 12/15 18:47:35 * dfarrell07 can't see screen because webex hates linux :( 18:47:44 <colindixon> dfarrell07: it's just the page 18:47:58 <colindixon> #info ovsdb has been around since Hydrogen has meet all the milestones 18:48:24 <colindixon> #info it's been a pretty active project since the beginning, there is a very active community in part because of the interest in openstack netvirt 18:49:25 <colindixon> #Info developers and users from diverse community across companies 18:50:22 <colindixon> #info tutorials can be found on the graudation review including links to youtube and slides showing how to get it up and working 18:51:04 <colindixon> #info LuisGomez says he thinks it should pass, edwarnicke says the document looks very thorough, dfarrell07 says similar things 18:51:32 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 brings up the issue of the plans to split the project in two in Boron 18:53:08 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke notes that both sides of the project have "walked the walk" in terms of maturity and thus it would split into two mature projects 18:53:55 <colindixon> #Info colindixon agrees and notes that this has come up repeatedly and we've always said history should count across splits if it's really the same code 18:53:57 <phrobb_> WebEx callin user 5 is causing an echo on the line. You have been muted. IRC me if you want to come off mute 18:54:11 <dfarrell07> phrobb_: thanks, that kept throwing me off lol 18:54:19 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC graduate the OVSDB project to being a mature project? -1, 0, +1 18:54:19 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC graduate the OVSDB project to being a mature project? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:54:19 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:54:23 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1 18:54:24 <dfarrell07> #vote +1 18:54:26 <colindixon> #vote +1 18:54:26 <edwarnicke> #vote +1 18:54:27 <mohnish_> #vote +1 18:54:27 <jmedved> #vote +1 18:54:31 <snackewm> #vote +1 18:54:32 <LuisGomez> #vote +1 18:54:47 <colindixon> #endvote 18:54:47 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC graduate the OVSDB project to being a mature project?" Results are 18:54:47 <odl_meetbot> +1 (8): jmedved, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, dfarrell07, colindixon, mohnish_, snackewm, abhijitkumbhare 18:54:50 <edwarnicke> Congratulations to the ovsdb project! :) 18:54:54 <dfarrell07> Congrats OVSDB! :) :) :) 18:54:58 <colindixon> #agreed the OVSDB project is now the second mature project in OpenDaylight 18:54:59 <tykeal> congrats ovsdb. now go update your wiki ;) 18:54:59 <alagalah> colindixon, ok 18:55:03 <ebrjohn> Congrats OVSDB! 18:55:06 <phrobb_> Congrats OVSDB Integration Project!! 18:55:09 * edwarnicke misses you guys... need to come back to play soon :) 18:55:09 <mohnish_> Congrats to ovsdb project 18:55:10 <LuisGomez> yes congrats 18:55:17 <colindixon> #action shague to update the proposal page and your project facts page appropriately 18:55:25 <abhijitkumbhare> Congrats OVSDB/NetVirt 18:55:32 <alagalah> shague, flaviof Congrats !!! 18:56:14 <colindixon> #topic major topics 18:56:25 <shague> Thanks guys! Flavio spoke well when he said we have had a lot of help and appreciate it. 18:56:28 <flaviof> alagalah thanks! kudos are to y'all 18:56:34 <anipbu> Congrats OVSDB/NetVirt 18:56:36 <colindixon> #info we have three major topics of discussion 18:56:46 <colindixon> #info 1. Boron planning which was covered on this week's TWS at least partially 18:57:08 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tws/opendaylight-meeting-tws.2016-01-11-18.27.html something is here 18:57:20 <colindixon> #info 2. TSC elections, see above 18:57:43 <colindixon> #info 3. openflow plugin designs and how they'll play together in Beryllium, again see above 18:57:57 <colindixon> #topic cookies 18:58:01 <colindixon> #endmeeting