18:01:13 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc 18:01:13 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 25 18:01:13 2016 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:01:13 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01:13 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 18:01:18 <colindixon> #topic agenda bashing and roll call 18:01:25 <colindixon> TSC members please #info in 18:01:26 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell 18:01:26 <colindixon> #info colindixon 18:01:27 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price 18:01:32 <mohnish_> #info mohnish anumala 18:01:42 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=42965#Agenda the agenda in it's usual place 18:01:47 <dfarrell07> ^^on point, 4 right away ;) 18:02:02 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2016-02-18-18.00.html last week's minutes 18:02:41 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Boron_Release_Plan#Lessons_learned_during_the_Beryllium_release updated lessons learned from Beryliium 18:02:46 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez 18:02:51 <dfarrell07> 5 18:03:07 <hideyuki> colindixon: Can I add a committer promotion for VTN project? Though I'm ok with the vote in ML instead of the vote in the call. 18:03:08 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Boron_Release_Plan thanks to phrobb we have a draft Boron release plan, which is pretty much just Beryllium with s/Beryllium/Boron/ 18:03:14 <colindixon> hideyuki: sure 18:03:37 <colindixon> hideyuki: consider it done 18:03:43 <edwarnicke> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Release_Plan/Fast_Phased_Boron <- Fast Phased Release Plan 18:03:52 <hideyuki> colindixon: Thank you very much. 18:04:04 <colindixon> #action colindixon to keep boron planning on our minds 18:04:05 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade to Boron? 18:04:06 <colindixon> #action colindixon to follow the two OpenFlow plugin implementations issue to figure out lessons learned and how to avoid similar problems in the future 18:04:07 <colindixon> #action rovarga to follow up with a counter-proposal with the new workflow ;-) 18:04:58 <colindixon> dfarrell07: are we still at 5 18:05:08 <dfarrell07> colindixon: yes 18:05:13 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke 18:05:15 <dfarrell07> 6 18:05:48 <colindixon> #topic TSC mailing list votes and discussions 18:05:59 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-February/004633.html TSC elections 18:06:36 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-February/004648.html what to do with projects that don't meet testing requirements (flag them as experimental) 18:07:31 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-February/005708.html solutions for better/fast docs review, e.g., peer review 18:08:05 <colindixon> #topic events 18:08:15 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events 18:08:27 <colindixon> #info developer design forum is on Mon/Tue 18:08:54 <colindixon> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opendaylight-developer-design-forum/program/schedule current schedule is here 18:09:03 <colindixon> #info there will be space for unconference stuff as well 18:09:45 <colindixon> #info registration is still low, we had 209 registered last year, with 200 showing up, we only have 80 registered now 18:10:07 <colindixon> #info phrobb says that if the $200 cost is prohibitive, there may be ways to figure that out 18:10:14 <abhijitkumbhare> On a positive side most registered folks will show up this time :) 18:10:53 <colindixon> #info the Open Networking Summit and ODL mini-summit are on 3/13-3/17, we have 3 submissions to the solutions showcase 18:11:03 <colindixon> #info gzhao will be reaching out to people about demos to show at the ODL booth at ONS 18:11:41 <colindixon> #action phrobb to add the LF collab summit to the events list, it's end of march to beginning of april 18:12:43 <colindixon> #info dneary says that they could use a talk about OpenDaylight, DPDK, and/or SDN controller vendor for the networking track at the LF collab 18:13:10 <colindixon> #Info dneary would like to see something about the broader SDN view and controllers, maybe about cross-controller collaboration, e.g., NetIDE and the like 18:13:57 <colindixon> #topic boron 18:14:17 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Weather#Current_Weather_Report there are 3 events 18:14:57 <dfarrell07> dneary: might be interesting to have a panel with projects consumed by OPNFV, like various SDN controllers (and maybe DPDK and such if you want to include that idea) 18:15:19 <colindixon> #info 1.) Move auto-generated config-subsystem files from src folder to target/generated-sources 18:15:35 <colindixon> #info Neutron Security Group Rule with integers for protocols 18:15:46 <colindixon> #info OpenFlowPlugin Li migration 18:16:03 <colindixon> #info the second two will be discussed at the developer design forum 18:16:22 <colindixon> #info zxiiro and others have gotten auto-release back to being happy on all fronts 18:16:36 <dneary> dfarrell07, Nice idea - my thinking at this point is to make a decent proposal out of people who are already attending, rather than requesting someone attend for a specific topic 18:16:53 <colindixon> #topic stable/beryllium 18:17:16 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-February/004721.html Moving Beryllium-SR1 (and later) out 2 weeks 18:18:37 <colindixon> #info colindixon failed to update the SRs to be 2 weeks further out when we delayed beryllium, it's +4,+6,+12,+12 instead of the normal +6,+6,+12,+12 18:19:02 <colindixon> #info ChrisPriceAB says that a release at +4 for Berylium-SR1 would help OPNFV a lot 18:19:24 <mohnish_> then why change it? 18:19:48 <colindixon> mohnish_: that's what I was asking? 18:20:32 <colindixon> #info rovarga says that one downside of having SR2 be two weeks earlier would be less time to do OpenFlow migration activities 18:21:25 <colindixon> #Info colindixon says that we could do +4,+8,+12,+12 which would leave SR2 with the normal amount of space before 18:21:26 <dfarrell07> ChrisPriceAB: I can't find the OPNFV B SR1 date, do you have a pointer? 18:24:22 <colindixon> #info colindixon suggests that we leave SR1 4 weeks out as it is to help with OPNFV and there's not much disadvantage, we might move SR2 and later out when we have more information after the developer design forum 18:25:12 <colindixon> #Info zxiiro said he believes that NeXt has some binary to release with Beryllium and we never got it 18:26:22 <ChrisPriceAB> Hi dfarrell-7: we don't have a neatly documented date set. (been a little hectic) the TSC agreed to set a stable date for March - Stable Release 1 18:26:33 <ChrisPriceAB> Hi dfarrell-7: we don't have a neatly documented date set. (been a little hectic) the TSC agreed to set a stable date for March 24 - Stable Release 1 18:26:38 <ChrisPriceAB> ^^ lol 18:26:47 <dfarrell07> ChrisPriceAB: cool, sounds good, thanks 18:26:51 <dfarrell07> I was digging too lol http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2016/opnfv-meeting.2016-02-16-14.59.html 18:27:13 <ChrisPriceAB> it get's worse: https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/steps_to_brahmaputra 18:27:19 <colindixon> #info zxiiro got a zip file from NeXt which had very few instructions about how to download it and use it 18:27:24 <ChrisPriceAB> scenario 2 18:27:43 <dfarrell07> #info ODL Be SR1 date is currently 3/17, OPNFV B SR1 date is (via ChrisPriceAB) 3/24, so that works 18:27:57 <colindixon> #action anipbu and zxiiro to follow up with NeXt to get a update zip and publish it as part of a release and phrobb to put it on the download page 18:28:08 <colindixon> #topic stable/lithium 18:28:25 <Lisa_> https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/brahmaputra/release_plan says SR1 is released 25 March 2016 18:28:52 <dfarrell07> Lisa_: thanks! 18:29:26 <colindixon> #info code freeze for Lithium-SR4 is Sunday at 11:59:59 UTC with a release on 3/3, it will auto-trigger because zxiiro will not be traveling 18:29:35 <colindixon> #info this is the last scheduled SR for Lithium, so get your stuff in 18:29:51 <dfarrell07> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/brahmaputra/release_plan Lisa_ points out that these OPNFV docs have OPNFV B SR1 on 3/25, which still is after ODL Be SR1 at 3/17, so still good 18:30:55 <colindixon> #action zxiiro to sending an e-mail about decommissioning helium jobs (and locking the branches) to release and TSC at least 18:32:03 <colindixon> #info rovarga asks if we could do this at the last SR in the future, colindixon says that we promised to provide security updates until 2 releases later, so not really 18:32:45 <colindixon> #topic system integration and test 18:33:14 <colindixon> #info jamoluhrsen says that he'd like to find ways to make system test more top of mind for people and there's a session at the design forum on that 18:33:39 <colindixon> #info the hope would be that would lead to some changes in boron integration and test requirements 18:33:50 <colindixon> #topic infrastructure 18:34:27 <colindixon> #info tykeal will be leading a developer forum topic on changes in infra, e.g., private cloud, zuul, and nodepool 18:35:00 <colindixon> #info tykeal says those are now possibly near term, given other collaborative projects that have adopted them 18:35:12 <colindixon> #info better slave management, and better triggers are two big advantages 18:35:38 <colindixon> #info zuul only does parallel jobs at the moment, we use pipelined jobs a lot, so we're looking into that 18:36:18 <colindixon> hideyuki: you're up next, so if you have the links ready, that would be great 18:38:59 <colindixon> #info phrobb asks if we plan to go further with signing our releases, e.g., committers signing their release tags 18:39:21 <colindixon> #info phrobb and rovarga both have brought up ideas about migrating to JIRA for Boron 18:39:24 <hideyuki> colindixon: The mail about the request of the commiter promotion in the VTN project: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-February/004697.html 18:40:08 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke asks how we're doing with being able to publish artifacts to maven central 18:40:23 <colindixon> #action zxiiro will look more into maven central now that we're at least signing things 18:40:48 <colindixon> #action colindixon to add possible maven central requirements to boron 18:41:44 <colindixon> #Info tykeal says that sonatype has a deployment plugin that pushes to to maven central, but that doesn't work us because we want to sign after build and not as part of it 18:42:23 <colindixon> #topic Venkatrangan as a committer on VTN 18:42:28 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-February/004697.html 18:43:17 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC confirm Venkatrangan as a committer on VTN? -1, 0, +1 18:43:17 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC confirm Venkatrangan as a committer on VTN? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:43:17 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:43:21 <dfarrell07> #vote +1 18:43:38 <colindixon> #Info hideyuki says he'd help the VTN project a lot 18:43:39 <colindixon> #vote +1 18:43:40 <edwarnicke> #vote +1 18:43:42 <mohnish_> #vote +1 18:43:43 <LuisGomez> #vote +1 18:44:23 <colindixon> ChrisPriceAB: 18:45:03 <colindixon> #endvote 18:45:04 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC confirm Venkatrangan as a committer on VTN?" Results are 18:45:04 <odl_meetbot> +1 (5): LuisGomez, colindixon, mohnish_, dfarrell07, edwarnicke 18:45:17 <colindixon> #agree Venkatrangan is now a committer on VTN 18:45:30 <dfarrell07> colindixon: did we need 6? 18:45:33 <colindixon> note that it's a majority of the quorum of TSC members we have present, so the vote carries 18:45:43 <colindixon> dfarrell07: that's my understanding 18:46:21 <colindixon> #info ChrisPriceAB verbally votes +1 and thus it is a majority 18:47:00 * ChrisPriceAB apologiese profusely, got himself tangled in orthogonal activities... 18:47:57 <colindixon> #topic TSC elections 18:48:29 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 says that there are two families of issues: (i) ironing out the framework, and (ii) what we want to do right now since it's been 18 months since our last "annual" election 18:48:38 * edwarnicke notes its almost like ChrisPriceAB is doing a release or something... 18:49:13 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 says that everyone seems to want to have committer-at-large election now 18:49:51 <colindixon> #info there has been some discussion about the length of that term, but most people seem to think the boron time frame is the right term (~6 months) 18:50:03 <colindixon> #info edwarnicke and colindixon agrees with that 18:50:51 * ChrisPriceAB loves that the odl community is so relaxed and accepting on such issues as terms of service. (note to self, don't get caught up with dotting i's that can be left alone for the sake of it.) 18:51:00 * ChrisPriceAB also thinks it's time for a vote! 18:52:25 <dlenrow> #info Yeah! edwarnicke said intent 18:52:31 <edwarnicke> dlenrow: LOL 18:52:34 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/tsc-charter "The term for TSC members, including the Chair, is one year. There are no term limits for TSC members." 18:52:39 <edwarnicke> dlenrow: to change policy ;) 18:53:37 <rovarga> devil's advocate: so if the term is a year, do we even have quorum to vote? 18:53:42 <dlenrow> Colin for TSC chair for life 18:53:52 <ChrisPriceAB> haha dlenrow 18:53:59 <edwarnicke> dlenrow: I thought you liked colindixon ? 18:54:15 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC agree to have a 6 month term for the next committer-at-large and chair elections and start them as soon as possible assuming we get board permission as needed? -1, 0, +1 18:54:15 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC agree to have a 6 month term for the next committer-at-large and chair elections and start them as soon as possible assuming we get board permission as needed? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:54:15 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:54:16 <abhijitkumbhare> edwarnicke: he doesn’t :) 18:54:25 * colindixon doesn't want to be chair for life 18:54:26 <dlenrow> He gets life sentence, er term 18:54:26 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1 18:54:29 <dfarrell07> #vote +1 18:54:30 <colindixon> #vote +1 18:54:31 <mohnish_> #vote +1 18:54:34 <edwarnicke> #vote +1 18:54:38 <LuisGomez> #vote +1 18:54:41 <colindixon> #endvote 18:54:41 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC agree to have a 6 month term for the next committer-at-large and chair elections and start them as soon as possible assuming we get board permission as needed?" Results are 18:54:41 <odl_meetbot> +1 (6): dfarrell07, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, ChrisPriceAB, colindixon, mohnish_ 18:54:46 <edwarnicke> dlenrow: What did colindixon do to deserve that? ;) 18:55:00 <colindixon> #agreed we will have a committer-at-large election as soon as is possible 18:55:08 <colindixon> #topic boron planning 18:55:12 * ChrisPriceAB thinks the community should elect a chair they may want to revote for in 6 months. 18:55:25 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Boron_Release_Plan draft old-style one 18:55:32 <edwarnicke> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Release_Plan/Fast_Phased_Boron 18:55:37 <dlenrow> if nominated I will not run and if elected I will not serve, colin? 18:56:06 * ChrisPriceAB prefers not to think 18:58:26 <colindixon> #info colindixon notes that the consensus seems to be that fast-phased is a good idea in the long run, but there is limited enthusiasm and confidence to move to it now 18:58:56 <colindixon> #info colindixon's thought would be that means we can do a traditional release plan for boron and look at fast-phased for carbon 18:59:17 <colindixon> #info rovarga and edwarnicke asks if we can figure out if we can do some fast-phased stuff with some projects alongside a normal release 19:00:22 <colindixon> #info rovarga says he doesn't know the infrastructure burden though, edwarnicke thinks they are having integration jobs to do testing across branches, and then version bumping scripts to allow for faster releases 19:00:58 <colindixon> #info rovarga says you would also need per-project release jobs (vs. auto-release), edwarnicke says that it's actually a per-phase autorelease job 19:02:28 <colindixon> #info colindixon says it sounds like the consensus is that we will do a traditional-style Boron release, with some parts of fast-phased alongside to try to gain as much experience with it as possible 19:05:12 <colindixon> #topic cookies 19:05:19 <zxiiro> One concern I have is who keeps the integration branches up to date? 19:05:21 <colindixon> #endmeeting