17:00:27 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc
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17:00:32 <colindixon> #topic roll call and agenda bashing
17:00:37 <colindixon> TSC members please #info in
17:00:38 <colindixon> #info colindixon
17:00:44 <Chrisy> #ingo Chris Luke for Ed Warnicke
17:00:45 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=48027#Agenda agenda in the usual place
17:00:48 <Chrisy> #info Chris Luke for Ed Warnicke
17:00:55 <vishnoianil> #info Anil Vishnoi
17:00:57 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2016-07-21-17.00.html last week's meeting minutes
17:01:22 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell
17:01:24 <abhijitkumbhare> #info abhijitkumbhare
17:01:34 <gkaempfer> #info gkaempfer
17:01:39 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price
17:01:44 <snackewm> #info Eric Multanen for Uri
17:01:48 <adetalhouet> #info adetalhouet
17:02:01 <dfarrell07> welcome adetalhouet :)
17:02:14 <adetalhouet> dfarrell07: thanks :)
17:02:19 <colindixon> #info colindixon knows that skitt has proposed patches to remove a lot of our ancient dependencies
17:02:33 <anipbu> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zImtd764e-hOgJAxoJKl85fxHCPu2agLfqsBtf13zQY/edit#gid=2041395610
17:02:41 <colindixon> #action anipbu to track the removal of ancient dependencies and readout next time how far we get
17:02:59 <colindixon> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zImtd764e-hOgJAxoJKl85fxHCPu2agLfqsBtf13zQY/edit#gid=2041395610 anipbu is already tracking it there, so we'll just read this out next time
17:03:44 <colindixon> #action colindixon to get CaseyODL to replay about nofoollow on the TSC list so we get an actual ruling
17:04:17 <colindixon> #info anipbu has followed up with sndinterfaceapp and they no longer depend on tcpmd5, which isn't in boron
17:04:59 <colindixon> #link https://jenkins.opendaylight.org/releng/view/Merge-Boron/ this tab in jenkins will help us look out for failing merge jobs (thanks zxiiro )
17:06:12 <colindixon> #action anipu to follow up with relevant projects about distribution size: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-July/007250.html
17:06:20 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to drive some/all of the ongoing TSC discussions to completion
17:06:32 <colindixon> #action jamoluhrsen to send out a list of projects that would currently be labeled as experimental (the data will be from a few months ago) and ask projects to update it if they think they're no longer there
17:06:49 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to find somebody to help with documenting the general procedure for the platform upgrade to Boron/Carbon?
17:06:54 <colindixon> #action phrobb to work on having a policy for how attendance to design forums works going forward with community involvement
17:06:59 <colindixon> #action colindixon and phrobb to set up a poll of committers, PTLs and TSC members to see if there's a desire to have one TSC meeting a month at an APAC-friendly time
17:07:34 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-July/005626.html the final proposal for TSC elections, there's a TWS on it on Monday
17:08:09 <colindixon> #Info dfarrell07 is hoping for a vote on the remaining issues, how often to do elections, and the set of groups we want to assign seats, hopefully in a soon TSC meeting
17:08:22 <colindixon> #action colindixon to add TSC elections to the agend for next week
17:08:52 <colindixon> #topic new TSC members
17:09:29 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-July/005651.html welcome Alexis de Talhouët as our newest Committer-at-Large
17:10:26 <dfarrell07> #info Thank you for your *tons of work* tony, and welcome adetalhouet!
17:10:33 <anipbu> Thank you Tony !!! Congrats adetalhouet !!!
17:11:16 <colindixon> #info rovarga is here for Jan Medved (should be in roll call above)
17:11:27 <vishnoianil> Welcome Alexis :)
17:11:31 <colindixon> #topic TSC mailing list votes and discussions
17:11:50 <colindixon> #info basically the same as last time, but we decided to use the last election resutls to put Alexis on the TSC
17:11:56 <adetalhouet> Thank you everyone, very glad to be part of the committee
17:12:03 <colindixon> #info also the TSC elections thread is new (see the above link)
17:12:13 <colindixon> #otherwise check the agenda (link above)
17:12:23 <colindixon> #topic events
17:12:29 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events
17:12:30 <dfarrell07> colindixon: #otherwise ;)
17:12:45 <abhijitkumbhare> Is #otherwise a keyword? :)
17:12:50 <colindixon> #undo
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17:12:55 <colindixon> #info otherwise check the agenda (link above)
17:12:57 <colindixon> #topic events
17:13:02 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events
17:13:35 <colindixon> #info non-summit openstack evenst coming up in Silicon Valley (8/9) and New York (8/23)
17:13:48 <colindixon> #info linuxcon NA with some ODL presence (Toronto, 8/22)
17:14:18 <colindixon> #Info linuxcon europe is coming up 10/4-6 (dfarrell07 has a talk on that on the peformance white paper)
17:14:26 <colindixon> #action phrobb to add linuxcon europe to the events list
17:14:44 <colindixon> #Info obvoiusly ODL summit 9/27-29
17:14:54 <colindixon> #info openstack sumit in Barcelona at the end of october
17:16:22 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Events:Carbon_Dev_Forum submit topics for the developer design forum at the ODL summit here
17:16:25 <colindixon> dfarrell07: got it
17:16:32 <colindixon> #topic boron
17:16:45 <dfarrell07> colindixon: thanks, couldn't find it
17:16:56 <colindixon> dfarrell07: I got it from your twitter feed :p
17:17:07 <dfarrell07> colindixon: lol ;)
17:17:23 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-July/007466.html   <--- Ancient dependencies and third party with missing sources: snmp4sdn
17:17:28 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-July/007426.html   <--- We are adding license check in src/test/java and need review from netide
17:17:32 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-July/007453.html   <--- Documentation needs updating from: snbi, usecplugin, snmp4sdn, ovsdb, vpnservice, faas, neutron, next, nemo, nic, bgpcep, unimgr, sdninterfaceapp, natapp, usecplugin, geniusvtn, lispflowmapping, sfc, ovsdb, openflowplugin, topoprocessing, ocpplugin, aaa
17:17:39 <anipbu> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zImtd764e-hOgJAxoJKl85fxHCPu2agLfqsBtf13zQY/edit#gid=2076007396   <--- Poll discussing project readiness issues due to the infrastructure issues
17:18:43 <colindixon> #info colindixon notes that the final quesetion we want to asnwer is do we delay Boron or not, if only 7 projects have responded colindixon's take is that there's not a lot of clamoring for a delay
17:19:00 <colindixon> #info rovarga says he's not sure if controller responded, but they've been hit pretty hard and expect it might be a bumpy ride after RC0
17:19:44 <colindixon> #Info the outstanding work is dealing with Akka RAFT timeouts and that is a pretty significant effort, but there may be issues
17:20:14 <colindixon> #info colindixon also notes that there was some discussion of delaying things to SR1, rovarag says that is the fallback plan
17:21:36 <anipbu> #info The Boron Autorelease job was failing this week due to compilation errors in building mdsalutil-api.  Kindly request genius to fix the issues.
17:21:41 <anipbu> #link https://jenkins.opendaylight.org/releng/view/autorelease/job/autorelease-release-boron/197/org.opendaylight.genius$mdsalutil-api/   <--- Autorelease failure in genius
17:22:06 <anipbu> #info we will be hosting weekly IRC meetings every Wednesday at 7:30 AM Pacific Time Zone
17:22:32 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-July/007491.html   <--- Missing projects in Boron autorelease or distribution: atrium, cardinal, eman, honeycomb/vbd, of-config, sdninterfaceapp, usecplugin, vpnservice
17:23:43 <colindixon> #info rovarga says his thought is that RC0 is the drop dead date, preferrable at project's M5, preferrable even earlier than that
17:25:50 <ChrisPriceAB> use of #agree feels good enough for me.
17:26:58 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC state clearly that projects not in autorelease and the distribution feature index by the RC0 build kicking off will be dropped from the Boron release? -1,0,+1
17:26:58 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC state clearly that projects not in autorelease and the distribution feature index by the RC0 build kicking off will be dropped from the Boron release? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1.
17:26:58 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
17:27:12 <colindixon> just vote since it will be clearer
17:27:13 <colindixon> #vote +1
17:27:30 <colindixon> rovaraga I'm asssuming also votes +1, based on his comments
17:27:45 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1
17:27:58 <dfarrell07> #vote +1
17:27:58 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1
17:28:11 <vishnoianil> #vote +1
17:28:12 <adetalhouet> #vote +1
17:28:23 <colindixon> #endvote
17:28:23 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC state clearly that projects not in autorelease and the distribution feature index by the RC0 build kicking off will be dropped from the Boron release?" Results are
17:28:23 <odl_meetbot> +1 (6): adetalhouet, ChrisPriceAB, dfarrell07, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, vishnoianil
17:28:26 <snackewm> +1
17:28:31 <Chrisy> #vote +1
17:28:47 <colindixon> #info with rovaraga, Chrisy, and snackewm, that's +9 and consensus
17:28:50 <abhijitkumbhare> (comment - there is enough time between now and Aug 11 for projects to make sure they are in the clear)
17:29:00 <colindixon> #agree the TSC states clearly that projects not in autorelease and the distribution feature index by the RC0 build kicking off will be dropped from the Boron release
17:29:22 <colindixon> #info that RC0 is august 11th, that's 2 weeks from today
17:29:40 <vishnoianil> colindixon, do we want to add this in the carbon release plan?
17:30:14 <colindixon> #info it should be noted that projects were required to be in autorelease and the distribution by M4 and M3, and the definition of RCs means that all projects must be dropped
17:30:24 <vishnoianil> i think it's good to explicitly mention it, but we should better say it's M5
17:30:28 <colindixon> #action colindixon to work with anipbu on making this even clearer in the Carbon release plan
17:30:34 <colindixon> #undo
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17:30:38 <colindixon> #action colindixon to work with anipbu on making this even clearer in the Carbon release plan, maybe even at M5
17:31:08 <Chrisy> #info Chris Luke noted he has sent a reminder to EMAN about the upcoming released timing and the lack of jobs in Jenkins
17:31:32 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/openflowplugin-dev/2016-July/005615.html it appears as though the pantheon OpenFlow plugin developers won't be avialable after 8/1, despite colindixon's asking
17:32:05 <colindixon> #info that means that we need to continue to closely follow that risk as this is the first release with the new implementaiotn as the default, but abhijitkumbhare is tracking things
17:32:12 <colindixon> #topic beryllium
17:32:39 <anipbu> #info Beryllium SR3 current has test failures in NIC and SXP in the integration distribution test job which are still under further investigation.
17:32:45 <anipbu> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release/Beryllium/SR3/Status    <--- Beryllium SR3 Status
17:32:52 <anipbu> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hci5TMUPyB6PX8Al-fwfVqvs5SQVa2wZLja_7rKWN6o/edit#gid=1820514274
17:33:46 <anipbu> https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/nic-dev/2016-July/001379.html  <--- NIC still investigating
17:34:55 <colindixon> #info colindixon says his take is that we should vote to allow zxiiro, anipbu and tykeal to ship it if NIC finds the issue is non-blocking
17:35:07 <abhijitkumbhare> sorry - i talked over the mute regarding OFP - our plan is aggressive bug scrubbing, luckily we are code frozen. But if people would like to join OFP - now would be a very good time; picking up bugs, & be up to speed for new feature development for the next release
17:35:21 <colindixon> #info sxp has the same failure in the same way in SR1 and said it was fine, so we shouldn't worry too much about that
17:36:32 <colindixon> #info vishnoianil says that the test failure looks like it's just the delete status code chaing from 200 to 204 (or vice versa) and there's no real failure, because he fixed in in OVSDB, adetalhouet (whos' familiar with NIC) agrees
17:37:50 <colindixon> #info LuisGomez says he has a different theory, because it's passing sometimes and not other times, he's doing another test, it should be deterministic if it was the DELETE change
17:39:37 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC authorize zxiiro, tykeal, and anipbu to release SR3 if the bug In NIC is found to be non-blocking, otherwise we will vote on the mailing list no late than Monday? -1,0,+1
17:39:37 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC authorize zxiiro, tykeal, and anipbu to release SR3 if the bug In NIC is found to be non-blocking, otherwise we will vote on the mailing list no late than Monday? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1.
17:39:37 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
17:39:51 <dfarrell07> #vote +1
17:39:53 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1
17:39:54 <adetalhouet> #vote +1
17:39:54 <snackewm> +1
17:39:54 <colindixon> #vote +1
17:39:55 <gkaempfer> #vote +1
17:39:56 <vishnoianil> #vote +1
17:39:57 <Chrisy> #vote +1
17:39:59 <ChrisPriceAB> push that button!
17:40:02 <colindixon> #endmeeting