17:00:11 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc 17:00:11 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 8 17:00:11 2016 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 17:00:11 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:11 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 17:00:16 <colindixon> #topic agenda bashing and roll call 17:00:21 <colindixon> TSC members please #info in 17:00:24 <colindixon> #info colindixon 17:00:31 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=49599 today's agenda 17:00:48 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2016-09-01-17.02.html last week's meeing minutes 17:01:16 <rovarga> #info rovarga for jmedved 17:01:33 <gmainzer> #info Gal Mainzer (proxy for gkaempfer) 17:01:52 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris price 17:02:11 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell 17:02:24 <adetalhouet> #info adetalhouet 17:02:30 <abhijitkumbhare> #info abhijitkumbhare 17:02:41 <colindixon> #action colindixon to add APAC time TSC meeting to next week's meeting agenda http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_f447623d29817bc7 17:03:03 <colindixon> #action colindixon to add upgrades as Carbon Dev Forum topic 17:03:14 <colindixon> #acion dfarrell07 colindixon to try to drive some/all of the ongoing TSC discussions to completion 17:03:21 <colindixon> #action rovarga will follow up with jira, group management, and user provisioning 17:03:49 <rovarga> #action dfarrell07 colindixon to try to drive some/all of the ongoing TSC discussions to completion 17:04:01 <avishnoi> #info Anil Vishnoi 17:04:09 <colindixon> #action dfarrell07 colindixon to try to drive some/all of the ongoing TSC discussions to completion 17:04:14 <colindixon> #chair anipbu phrobb 17:04:14 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: anipbu colindixon phrobb 17:05:54 <colindixon> #action colindixon to schedule when can we schedule the TCP-MD5 termination review 17:07:32 <colindixon> #topic TSC mailing list votes and discussions 17:07:43 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-September/005924.html VOTE on TSC Election RGs 17:08:03 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-September/005926.html VOTE on resolving vote-per-person vs. vote-per-interest 17:08:04 <colindixon> #info for other topics see agenda 17:08:13 <colindixon> #topic events 17:08:21 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events 17:08:29 <colindixon> #info we have a summit on 9/27-29 17:08:41 <jamoluhrsen> https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Events:Carbon_Dev_Forum 17:08:55 <jamoluhrsen> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Events:Carbon_Dev_Forum <--- DDF topics wiki 17:08:56 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Events:Carbon_Dev_Forum please add any topics you want to for the Carbon DDF and add your name to the topics that you're interested in (phrobb uses that when scheduling) 17:09:40 <colindixon> #info phrobb will be scheduling things starting early next week, so please get things in now 17:10:21 <colindixon> #info tykeal is planning to run a keysigning on the second day, send your keys in if you want to participate 17:10:36 <colindixon> #topic Boron 17:10:43 <tykeal> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-August/006803.html GPG keysigning email 17:10:59 <colindixon> hello odl_meetbot? 17:11:43 <dfarrell07> colindixon: I think it's working? It echo'd back the topic to me 17:11:57 <anipbu> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release/Boron/Status <--- Boron Status 17:12:26 <rovarga> #link http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/release/opendaylight-meeting-release.2016-09-07-21.55.log.html yesterday's technical analysis 17:16:22 <edwarnicke> anipbu: Could you add a blocking bug for VBD/HC https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6105 ... there is a patch available: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/40963/ 17:24:23 <anipbu> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zImtd764e-hOgJAxoJKl85fxHCPu2agLfqsBtf13zQY/edit#gid=294913046 <--- Please see Section on DLUX 20 Patches for the related bugs and patches 17:25:20 <anipbu> edwarnicke: added 17:25:29 <edwarnicke> anipbu: Thank you :) 17:26:24 <colindixon> #Info colindixon notes that the marketing folks at LF have decide to postpoin the announcement until 9/21 (so 9 more days past monday) 17:27:22 <colindixon> #info colindixon says it's frustrating trade-off between not giving users a feature that seems really good, and merging 20 patches that weren't presented until the last minute despite many opportunities to raise this issue 17:29:36 <colindixon> #info vishnoianil notes that he'd really like to take the contribution and as a PTL and developer he'd love to see us fold these patches in, but as a TSC member he wants to draw a line in the sand 17:31:21 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare asks what the risk is of not having this in, rovarga says his understanding is that the new feature is basically not functional 17:31:49 <colindixon> #info daniel malachovsky says that the fixes are just for the yangman application, it's basically a rework of the YangUI 17:31:54 <abhijitkumbhare> That was the same question I had LuisGomez 17:35:13 <LuisGomez> :) 17:35:57 <colindixon> #info daniel says he'd like deprecte YangUI in Boron, and remove it in Carbon, which can't be done without this 17:36:44 <adetalhouet> I haven't talk yet about the DLUX issue, but I do have some insight to add 17:37:56 <colindixon> #info colindixon says that we have two other blocking bugs: (1) a potential performance degradation in OpenFlow plugin and (2) a blocker in honeycomb/vbd 17:38:31 <colindixon> #Info adetalhouet says that the root of this issue was around not having enough committers on DLUX and that resulted in these patches not being cherry-picked before the release, 17:38:47 <abhijitkumbhare> colindixon: I don’t think the potential OpenFlow performance degradation is a regression 17:39:13 <colindixon> #info adetalhouet says that the TSC should be tracking the number of active committers per project so that we can make sure we catch things like this 17:39:36 <colindixon> #info vishnoianil agrees with that 17:39:44 <abhijitkumbhare> But performance will likely be the first thing outside folks will test - as rightly pointed to by LuisGomez (in OFP meeting) 17:40:12 <colindixon> #action colindixon anipbu and phrobb to start a discussion about better tracking committer activity in projects 17:40:13 <rovarga> abhijitkumbhare: are we prepping a perf paper to go with Boron release? 17:40:14 <edwarnicke> abhijitkumbhare: Agree 17:41:35 <abhijitkumbhare> I believe it was planned - but I think LuisGomez and cperf folks have been tracking that as an overall ODL performance activity 17:42:38 <LuisGomez> yes, we are working on our own perf paper based on Boron release 17:43:00 <colindixon> LuisGomez: isn't it likely that we'll find and have to fix more performance bugs between now and RC1 anyway? 17:43:28 <LuisGomez> probably but if we already know about this 17:44:13 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare notes that the openflow plugin issue isn't a regression, it was present in Beryllium, there is no performance shift in our testing, but our testing goes only for 10/30 minutes 17:45:45 <colindixon> #info the honeycomb/vbd blocking bug about removing bridgedomains ocassionaly, it was fixed before, but the forgotten and the regression was found today 17:47:11 <colindixon> #Info Frank says that the current patch still needs more work, the bug results in stale state 17:49:07 <LuisGomez> the openflow fix is 1 line code that has been fully verified with no regresion in csit: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/45210/ 17:49:43 <colindixon> #info colindixon says that his take based on our typical guidance has been that it's good to release on time, but it's better to deliver software with fewer known bugs and stronger 17:53:38 <colindixon> #Info anipbu asks when Frank can get a fix, Frank says he hopes tomorrow, but he doesn't know because there isn't a root cause 17:54:05 <lori> is this not the same bug that has the onliner fix in openflowjava? 17:54:17 <lori> s/onliner/one-liner/ 17:54:27 <colindixon> lori: one bug in ofj and another in hc/vbd 17:54:34 <lori> ok 17:55:12 <rovarga> lori: we do not have a fix for VBD 17:56:16 <lori> understood (my confusion stems from someone saying that this bug under discussion has the oneliner fix already merged in carbon, but obviously that was the ofj bug) 18:00:19 <adetalhouet> I agree with the plan 18:00:27 <anipbu> +1 to the plan 18:00:36 <dfarrell07> +1 to plan 18:00:43 <rovarga> sounds like a plan to me 18:00:55 <LuisGomez> +1 18:01:37 <colindixon> #info colindixon says the plan is to fix the three blocking bugs ASAP and respin once we have them, but no later than 11:59p UTC on sunday, then basically get go-nogo votes and test to vote on releasing by next TSC meeting 18:03:51 <colindixon> #info the TSC will have a *very* high bar for what is a blocking bug after that, e.g., it's not clear to colindixon that any of the three above bugs would meet that critiria 18:04:21 * rovarga wonders if we ever had a normal release ... 18:04:39 <tykeal> rovarga: define "normal" ;) 18:04:53 * edwarnicke wonders what surface the release should be normal too 18:05:04 <abhijitkumbhare> rovarga: more important question whether we will have a normal relase :) 18:05:22 <rovarga> so this release feels as broken as H/He ;-) 18:05:29 <dfarrell07> #info Thanks opnfv and frankbrockners for finding that bug :) 18:05:31 <colindixon> #topic cookies 18:05:35 <colindixon> #endmeeting