18:01:55 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc 18:01:55 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 15 18:01:55 2016 UTC. The chair is colindixon. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:01:55 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01:55 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 18:01:59 <colindixon> #topic agenda bashing and roll call 18:02:01 <adetalhouet> #info adetalhouet 18:02:03 <zxiiro> #info Thanh 18:02:03 <colindixon> TSC members please #info in 18:02:05 <colindixon> #info colindixon 18:02:10 <skitt> #info skitt 18:02:28 <afredette> #info afredette 18:02:29 <hideyuki> #info Hideyuki 18:02:32 <jamoluhrsen> #info jamoluhrsen 18:02:40 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=52306#Agenda today's agenda 18:02:51 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2016-12-08-18.00.html last week's meeting minutes 18:02:55 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez 18:02:58 <tykeal> *grr* I managed to join the integration meeting this morning but now webex doesn't want me to join the tsc again??? I hate webex 18:03:01 <anipbu> #info anipbu 18:03:01 <colindixon> #action colindixon, zxiiro and phrobb to come up with a proposal for tracking project activity in a positive way 18:03:05 <afredette> #info afredette proxy for shague 18:03:07 <colindixon> #action colindixon and zxiiro to work on trying to build tools to help with what's failing on failures in our jenkins jobs 18:03:13 <jamoluhrsen> tykeal, works perfect with windows 18:03:17 <abhijitkumbhare> #info abhijitkumbhare 18:03:19 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to drive some/all of the ongoing TSC discussions to completion 18:03:57 <vishnoianil> #info Anil Vishnoi 18:04:02 <colindixon> #action phrobb and tykeal to look into an ODL infra micro-datacenter in a box to make things work better 18:04:26 <rovarga> #info rovarga 18:04:32 <colindixon> #action phrobb will open the nominations for comitter-at-large board representatives next week, this week is for sigining to be a committer member of the ODL non-profit 18:05:35 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke 18:05:53 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Committer_Members_Board_Representation if you are a committer, and sign up a committer member of the OpenDaylight foundation you can nominate yourself to be a committer member of the board, and vote in the subsequent elections 18:06:15 <colindixon> #action phrobb to log the DDF attendance policy in the TSC Procedures and Policies section, so that we have it for future 18:06:24 <colindixon> #action colindixon to remove many current discussions which are now closed, which is a lot of them 18:06:41 <colindixon> #action phrobb to follow up with LF folks about a TSC mixer at the Leadership Summit 18:09:03 <colindixon> #topic events 18:09:46 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events 18:10:08 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2016-12-12-000000-2016-12-16-000000/odl-china-city-tour ODL China tour ongoing now, seems like it's awesome 18:11:13 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare asks about the DDF and summit 18:11:32 <colindixon> #Info CaseyODL says that the summit is held for late october 18:12:51 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare asks if it will be a stand-alone summit, colindixon and CaseyODL say that's plan A for now, but not set in stone 18:13:02 <colindixon> #info afredette asks where the summit is, it's in San Jose 18:13:20 <colindixon> #action CaseyODL and/or phrobb to communicate possible dates/locations for a DDF in between the two summits 18:14:14 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare asks if we're planning to have an ODL mini-summit at ONS or an ODL track, colindixon doesn't know, CaseyODL says that he's pretty sure the answer is no 18:15:30 <colindixon> #link https://www.linuxfoundation.org/announcements/linux-foundation-appoints-veteran-networking-professional-as-general-manager arpit is apparnetly trying to get the ONS set up (possibly differently) as one of his first things 18:16:21 <colindixon> #link edwarnicke asks if we're planning to have an ODL mini-sumit at the OPNFV summit in Beijing, we seem to be unsure, http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opnfv-summit 18:16:46 <colindixon> #action phrobb and CaseyODL to present a better idea of our summits, mini-summits, and DDFs coming up 18:17:08 <colindixon> #topic boron 18:17:11 <colindixon> #chair anipbu 18:17:11 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: anipbu colindixon 18:17:36 <anipbu> #info We initially targeted Boron SR2 Release on 12/15, but our latest build have not been signed off by respective projects. In order to fix NETVIRT regression blocker bug, we had to respin Boron SR2 completed at Thu Dec 15 10:36:22 UTC 2016. Projects have not had time to test and sign off on Boron SR2 Build 20161215. 18:17:44 <anipbu> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release/Boron/SR2/Status <--- Status Page 18:18:45 <anipbu> #link https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 <--- NETVIRT Blocker Bug leading to respin yesterday. 18:19:00 <colindixon> #action anipbu to open a mailing list vote on releasing Boron-SR2 if and when we get all project buy in on test failures 18:19:09 <colindixon> #topic carbon 18:19:31 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-December/008887.html <--- Neutron Northbound: rename tenant-id to project-id. Discussion on migration/upgrade process for existing setups. 18:20:03 <anipbu> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lGzTbpdK/ 18:20:14 <anipbu> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/49446/ <--- usecplugin 18:20:20 <anipbu> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/49429/ <--- sdninterfaceapp 18:20:42 <colindixon> is An choppy for others, or is it just me? 18:20:42 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-December/008938.html <--- Changes to Upgrade Servlet API 3.0.1 -> 3.1.0 has broken AAA (relevant patch: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/38269/) 18:20:50 * adetalhouet hears it as well 18:20:56 <colindixon> OK 18:20:58 <vishnoianil> colindixon, yeah 18:21:06 <colindixon> anipbu: you're audio is really choppy 18:21:14 <vishnoianil> looks like someone is banging on his microphone :D 18:21:48 <edwarnicke> anipbu: please do not beat your head against the desk, we love you, it will be OK, please don't hurt yourself ;) 18:21:48 <jamoluhrsen> +1 to wait on SR2 18:21:58 <hideyuki> +1 to wait 18:23:36 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC approve Boron-SR2 conditionally on all projects signing off on unexpected test failiures and no new blocking bugs raised? -1,0,+1 18:23:36 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC approve Boron-SR2 conditionally on all projects signing off on unexpected test failiures and no new blocking bugs raised? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:23:36 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:23:36 <abhijitkumbhare> +1 to conditionally approve 18:23:48 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1 18:23:49 <skitt> #vote +1 18:23:52 <colindixon> #vote +1 18:23:54 <zxiiro> #vote +1 18:23:54 <adetalhouet> #vote +1 18:23:54 <anipbu> #vote +1 18:24:00 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 18:24:02 <hideyuki> #vote +1 18:24:03 <afredette> #vote +1 18:24:04 <edwarnicke> #vote +1 18:24:15 <rovarga> #vote +1 18:24:22 <colindixon> #endvote 18:24:22 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC approve Boron-SR2 conditionally on all projects signing off on unexpected test failiures and no new blocking bugs raised?" Results are 18:24:22 <odl_meetbot> +1 (11): rovarga, adetalhouet, afredette, skitt, zxiiro, edwarnicke, hideyuki, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, anipbu, jamoluhrsen 18:24:29 <vishnoianil> #vote +1 18:24:36 <LuisGomez> #vote +1 18:24:50 <jamoluhrsen> LuisGomez, vishnoianil, late as usual. 18:24:53 <jamoluhrsen> :) 18:24:54 <colindixon> #agreed Boron-SR2 will be released as soon as all projects sign off on unexpected test failiures assuming no new blocking bugs are raised 18:24:58 <vishnoianil> just want to know that i support it :D 18:25:16 <colindixon> #topic system integration and testing 18:25:49 <colindixon> #info the beryllium merge job is failing, this will only matter if we have to spin a security update 18:25:58 <vrpolak> #link https://bugs.opendaylight.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7357 18:26:09 <colindixon> #info there's a carbon issue with the cardinal issue 18:26:38 <jamoluhrsen> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-December/008933.html <--- email thread for yangtools merge job failing in beryllium 18:27:07 <colindixon> #info rovarga says that the beryllium merge job is now fixed 18:27:16 <jamoluhrsen> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-December/008916.html <--- email thread about cardinal troubles in autorelease maybe ending up with us needing to remove cardinal from distribution 18:28:48 <colindixon> #info rovarga asks if we need to keep it working, colindixon says his take is that because we support security fixes for the two current releases, e.g., beryllium and boron, thus we might accidentally disclose that we're providing a security patch early by fixing the build only on-demand 18:29:59 <colindixon> #info vrpolak points out that Cardinal is failing and will basically have to be removed from Cabon unless they fix it 18:30:31 <colindixon> #info vrpolak says he thinks that it will be hard to fix, so it might be a pain 18:30:50 <colindixon> #info zxiiro and anipbu say that we've already removed cardinal from autorelease and they are unresponsive 18:31:21 <colindixon> #info colindixon asks if cardinal actually declared an intent to participate in carbon, if not, this is a non-issue 18:31:48 <colindixon> #topic infrastructure 18:32:56 <colindixon> #info we now have two kinds of logs on the logs server with and without timestamps 18:33:18 <colindixon> #info colindixon asks if that means we're doubling our storage requirments there, zxiiro says yes, but they're compressed, so it's probably OK 18:33:36 <colindixon> #topic TSC chair elections 18:33:43 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-December/006454.html 18:35:11 <anipbu> #startvote Shall the TSC approve Colin Dixon as the TSC Chair for this term. 18:35:11 <odl_meetbot> Unable to parse vote topic and options. 18:35:17 <anipbu> #endvote 18:35:36 <anipbu> #startvote Shall the TSC approve Colin Dixon as the TSC Chair for this term? +1, 0, -1 18:35:36 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: Shall the TSC approve Colin Dixon as the TSC Chair for this term? Valid vote options are +1, 0, -1. 18:35:36 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:35:38 <skitt> #vote +1 18:35:38 <adetalhouet> #vote +1 18:35:39 <vishnoianil> #vote +1 18:35:40 <afredette> #vote +1 18:35:41 <hideyuki> #vote +1 18:35:45 <anipbu> #vote +1 18:35:45 <zxiiro> #vote +1 18:35:45 <edwarnicke> #vote +1 18:35:47 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1 18:35:52 <LuisGomez> #vote +1 18:35:53 <colindixon> #vote +1 18:35:53 <rovarga> #vote +1 18:36:09 <anipbu> #endvote 18:36:09 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "Shall the TSC approve Colin Dixon as the TSC Chair for this term?" Results are 18:36:09 <odl_meetbot> +1 (12): rovarga, adetalhouet, skitt, zxiiro, LuisGomez, edwarnicke, hideyuki, colindixon, afredette, anipbu, vishnoianil, abhijitkumbhare 18:36:11 <skitt> All Hail King Colin ;-) 18:36:18 <dfarrell07> colindixon: congrats! well deserved, thanks for the good work :) 18:36:21 <colindixon> skitt: I do not want to be BDFL 18:36:25 <colindixon> noooooooooooo 18:36:25 * edwarnicke watches the white smoke wafting away 18:36:26 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 18:36:26 <CaseyODL> colindixon: Congrats. :) 18:36:28 <anipbu> #agreed TSC approve Colin Dixon as the TSC Chair for this term 18:36:29 <adetalhouet> colindixon: Congrats :-) and thanks for assuming the role greatly 18:36:30 <abhijitkumbhare> Congrats colindixon 18:36:36 <skitt> colindixon, I know! 18:36:36 <jamoluhrsen> awesome! 18:36:46 <edwarnicke> colindixon: There is no escape 18:36:52 <skitt> colindixon, although the B can stand for other things 18:37:12 <LuisGomez> congrats colin 18:37:16 <anipbu> congrats Colin 18:38:02 <colindixon> #topic committer members of the ODL board of directors 18:38:22 <colindixon> #info since we haven't started nominations yet, my guess nominations will run into the new year, and voting will start sometime after that 18:38:55 <colindixon> #info otherwise, find the link above to become a committer member of the nonprofit for the foundation to nominate yourself and/or vote 18:39:10 <colindixon> #topic APAC time-zone TSC calls 18:40:00 <colindixon> #startvote shall we hold the first APAC-friendly time-zone call next week at 8:30p pacific on Thursday, December 22nd? -1,0,+1 18:40:00 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall we hold the first APAC-friendly time-zone call next week at 8:30p pacific on Thursday, December 22nd? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 18:40:00 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:40:00 <edwarnicke> go for it colindixon 18:40:10 <adetalhouet> #vote +1 18:40:12 <colindixon> #vote +1 18:40:12 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 18:40:13 <zxiiro> #vote +1 18:40:14 <vishnoianil> #vote +1 18:40:15 <anipbu> #vote +1 18:40:15 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1 18:40:16 <rovarga> #vote +1 18:40:16 <edwarnicke> #vote +1 18:40:17 <hideyuki> #vote +1 18:40:19 <afredette> #vote +1 18:40:30 <skitt> #vote +1 18:40:47 <colindixon> #endvote 18:40:47 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall we hold the first APAC-friendly time-zone call next week at 8:30p pacific on Thursday, December 22nd?" Results are 18:40:47 <odl_meetbot> +1 (12): rovarga, adetalhouet, afredette, skitt, zxiiro, edwarnicke, hideyuki, colindixon, jamoluhrsen, anipbu, vishnoianil, abhijitkumbhare 18:40:48 * rovarga hoped it would start a bit later after the winter solstice, but this will work, too 18:41:01 * adetalhouet agrees with edwarnicke :) I live by the calendar 18:41:39 <colindixon> #agreed we will have the TSC on 12/22 at 8:30p pacific 18:43:19 <colindixon> #agreed going forward, we will have the TSC call on the fourth Thursday of every month at 8:30p pacific (which is either 10a or 9a in India) 18:43:38 <colindixon> #action CaseyODL to update the relevant calendars 18:44:22 <colindixon> #info hideyuki ask if it's PDT or PST, the answer is whatever one the west coast is currently observing 18:45:00 <colindixon> #topic RCs and blocking bugs 18:45:14 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-December/006428.html 18:45:43 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-December/006463.html some options 18:45:52 <colindixon> We should make "only blocking bug fixes allowed" happen at least by RCX for offset X that is offset 0 at RC0, offset 1 at RC1 and offset 2 at RC2. This seems like a no-brainer and we should just vote on it today. 18:46:17 * edwarnicke enjoys the editorialization at the end ;) 18:47:31 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke notes that it is not healthy in general to revise release plans in the middle of the release 18:47:34 <edwarnicke> <end rant> 18:49:10 <colindixon> #info colindixon says his take is really that we should only be fixing blocking bugs during RCs, but others seem to worry that's too strict at least now 18:50:43 <colindixon> #info vishnoianil says he agrees, having RC2 for offset 2 meaning that we might not be reducing our risk of slipping very much 18:51:45 <colindixon> #info to be clear, both vishnoianil and colindixon don't agree with the proposal to have "only blocking bug fixes allowed" at least by RCX for offset X, but would push harder 18:52:21 <colindixon> #info rovarga restates basically the same thing that unless you start saying only blocking bugs are fixed in RCs, then they're not really RCs 18:54:03 <colindixon> the other proposal was really after RC0, we're only fixing blocking bugs 18:54:08 <colindixon> which was the original proposal 18:54:47 <colindixon> to be fair, the "not as much time" that offset 1 and offset 2 projects is really just because we have to wait for offset 2 to "catch up" before we start RCs 18:54:59 <colindixon> there's no way to fix that 18:55:14 <colindixon> vishnoianil: I muted you 18:55:40 <vishnoianil> colindixon, ack 18:55:53 <colindixon> #info abhijitkumbhare asks if the offsets are actually helping us anymore 18:57:09 <colindixon> #info rovarga notes that it really does help in his experience, colindixon notes that it was proposed based on realy painful things in previous releases 18:59:54 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (c) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX? a, b, c 18:59:54 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (c) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX? Valid vote options are a, b, c. 18:59:54 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:00:18 <colindixon> #endvote 19:00:18 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (c) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX?" Results are 19:00:30 * edwarnicke has an impish desire to see the number of options require the use of greek characters... ;) 19:00:57 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC1: only blocking bug fixes after RC1, (c) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (d) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX? a, b, c 19:00:57 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC1: only blocking bug fixes after RC1, (c) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (d) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX? Valid vote options are a, b, c. 19:00:57 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:01:00 <colindixon> #endvote 19:01:00 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC1: only blocking bug fixes after RC1, (c) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (d) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX?" Results are 19:01:03 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC1: only blocking bug fixes after RC1, (c) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (d) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX? a, b, c, d 19:01:03 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC1: only blocking bug fixes after RC1, (c) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (d) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX? Valid vote options are a, b, c, d. 19:01:03 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:01:16 <rovarga> #vote c 19:01:17 <adetalhouet> #vote c 19:01:23 <jamoluhrsen> #vote c 19:01:23 <skitt> #vote c 19:01:24 <colindixon> #vote c 19:01:26 <zxiiro> #vote c 19:01:27 <edwarnicke> #vote c 19:01:27 <vishnoianil> #vote b 19:01:30 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote b 19:01:35 <hideyuki> #vote d 19:01:36 <LuisGomez> #vote b 19:01:38 <anipbu> #vote c 19:01:45 <afredette> #vote c 19:01:58 <colindixon> #endvote 19:01:58 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC (a) keep things as they are: only blocking bug fixes allowed after RC2, (b) move that to RC1: only blocking bug fixes after RC1, (c) move that to RC0: only blocking bug fixes after RC0, or (d) only blocking bug fixes for offset X after RCX?" Results are 19:01:58 <odl_meetbot> c (9): rovarga, adetalhouet, skitt, anipbu, edwarnicke, colindixon, jamoluhrsen, zxiiro, afredette 19:01:58 <odl_meetbot> b (3): LuisGomez, vishnoianil, abhijitkumbhare 19:01:58 <odl_meetbot> d (1): hideyuki 19:02:19 <colindixon> #agreed we will only allow blocking bug fixes in all projects after RC0 19:02:31 * adetalhouet has to drop. Glad we figured that out. Thanks Colin 19:02:40 <colindixon> #topic cookies 19:02:43 <colindixon> #endmeeting