18:04:48 <colindixon> #startmeeting tsc
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18:04:49 <colindixon> #topic agenda bashing and roll call
18:04:52 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke
18:04:53 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/index.php?title=TSC:Main&oldid=52461#Agenda
18:04:54 <vrpolak> #info Vratko Polak proxying for Luis Gomez
18:04:54 <skitt> #info skitt
18:04:54 <zxiiro> #info Thanh
18:04:55 <colindixon> #Info colindixon
18:04:56 <jamoluhrsen> #info jamoluhrsen
18:04:57 <anipbu> #info anipbu
18:04:57 <hideyuki> #info Hideyuki
18:04:57 <abhijitkumbhare> #info abhijitkumbhare
18:04:58 <shague> #info shague
18:05:16 <colindixon> #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2016/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2016-12-23-04.30.html last week's meeting minutes
18:05:55 <colindixon> #action phrobb to follow up with LF folks about a TSC mixer at the Leadership Summit
18:06:03 <tykeal> rovarga: hmm... I was using the toll-free number. that's not working so the toll number is fine.
18:06:08 <colindixon> #action colindixon, zxiiro and phrobb to come up with a proposal for tracking project activity in a positive way
18:06:08 <colindixon> #action colindixon and zxiiro to work on trying to build tools to help with what's failing on failures in our jenkins jobs
18:06:10 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to drive some/all of the ongoing TSC discussions to completion
18:06:11 <colindixon> #action phrobb and tykeal to look into an ODL infra micro-datacenter in a box to make things work better
18:06:11 <colindixon> #action colindixon, vishnoianil, gzhao, anipbu and others to work to advertise APAC-friendly TSC calls to the India and China communities, as well as projects/PTLs in Asia
18:06:43 <colindixon> #topic TSC mailing list votes and discssions
18:06:45 <rovarga> #info rovarga
18:06:54 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-November/006368.html projects with few/no active committers
18:07:11 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-November/006298.html Delivering to consumer project off-cadence (ODP & OPNFV collaboration)
18:07:42 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2017-January/009034.html flagship features in Carbon
18:09:13 <colindixon> #action colindixon to try to close the loop with OPNFV on what they need for their next release to figure out what they actually need from us for that
18:11:39 <colindixon> #info dfarrell07 notes that there was a poll about what version of OpenStack OPNFV was going to use and so that might be useful input for how ODL/OPNFV interact
18:13:05 <abhijitkumbhare> OPNFV: Tapio Tallgren, TSC Chair
18:13:27 <abhijitkumbhare> from https://www.opnfv.org/about/governance/technical-steering-committee
18:13:34 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2016-December/006485.html Carbon hackfest date/location
18:14:09 <colindixon> #info unless something else happens, the plan is to have no big, formal mid-cycle hackfest, there is a resonable chance that a member organziation will host one
18:14:28 <colindixon> #topic events
18:14:32 <phrobb> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Events:Main <-- link to updated events wiki page where info will be posted ongoing
18:14:37 <colindixon> #link https://www.opendaylight.org/global-events
18:16:35 <colindixon> #info the wiki page above is the more TSC and ODL-internal useful calendar, with lots of events listed and where it's easy to edit
18:17:06 <colindixon> #info open source leadership summit at lake tahoe Feb 14-16
18:17:15 <colindixon> #info possible ODL carbon hackfest being planned
18:17:44 <colindixon> #info ONS 2017 CF closes 1/21, please submit, lots of work being done to make this more truly about open networking in general and not all ON.lab all the time
18:18:37 <colindixon> #info NFV world congress, OpenStack summit, OPNFV summit, Containercon/Linuxcon/cloudopen, all listed there with more details
18:19:21 <colindixon> #topic boron
18:19:26 <colindixon> #info nothing this week
18:19:29 <colindixon> #topic carbon
18:19:37 <colindixon> #chair phrobb anipbu
18:19:37 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: anipbu colindixon phrobb
18:20:02 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-December/009011.html   <--- Autorelease issues with VTN has beenn resolved.
18:20:08 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2017-January/009023.html   <--- Autorelease issues with BIER has beenn resolved.
18:20:14 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2017-January/009032.html   <--- Autorelease Build Job currently failing on OF-CONFIG.  Currently waiting on folks from ZTE to identify a fix.
18:20:31 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2016-December/008994.html   <--- Still waiting on M3 Status from 4 Projects: aaa, controller, mdsal, netconf
18:20:50 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2017-January/009022.html   <--- Periodic Jobs Removed
18:20:55 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2017-January/006498.html   <--- Long Job Queues
18:21:09 <anipbu> #info Mostly impact netvirt.  Waiting to see if other projects have been affected and if any impact on release.
18:21:21 <anipbu> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/release/2017-January/009024.html   <--- Karaf 4 Migration Effort.
18:22:00 <anipbu> #info Karaf 4 migration effort will be a critical endeaver in Carbon.  Need to identify if Karaf 4 is a REQUIREMENT to remain in the Carbon Simultaneous Release Plan.
18:22:21 <anipbu> #info If Karaf 4 is a requirement, we need to identify the timeline (M4/M5/RC0?), support documentation (step-by-step wiki page), and TWS recording
18:22:32 <anipbu> #info Two Migration: migration to singlefeaturetest, migration to karaf 4
18:22:39 <anipbu> #info We need to poll projects on available resources.  If no resources available, what are the options?  2 distributions, drop from release, communnity generates patches?
18:24:50 <colindixon> #info colindixon says that we really have to get away from Karaf 3 and onto Karaf 4 for, at the very lease, security reasons
18:25:24 <colindixon> #undo
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18:25:29 <colindixon> #info colindixon says that we really have to get away from Karaf 3 and onto Karaf 4 for, at the very least, security reasons
18:26:42 <colindixon> #info this would also get us on the current Karaf timeline, which means we get features faster from them
18:28:02 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC move that we will produce _only_ a Karaf 4 distribution for Carbon and deal with how to get us across that line? -1,0,+1
18:28:02 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC move that we will produce _only_ a Karaf 4 distribution for Carbon and deal with how to get us across that line? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1.
18:28:02 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
18:28:17 <skitt> #vote +1
18:28:19 <rovarga> #vote +1
18:28:20 <vrpolak> #vote +1
18:28:26 <colindixon> #vote +1
18:28:34 <zxiiro> #vote +1
18:29:01 <shague> #vote +1
18:29:05 <anipbu> #vote +1
18:29:06 <hideyuki> #vote +1
18:29:29 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1
18:30:51 <colindixon> anyone else want to chime in?
18:31:00 <colindixon> that's 9/13, so it carries
18:31:15 <abhijitkumbhare> vishnoianil ?
18:31:32 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1
18:32:34 <colindixon> going once
18:32:42 <colindixon> ....
18:32:45 <colindixon> going twice
18:32:46 <colindixon> ....
18:32:50 <colindixon> #endvote
18:32:50 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC move that we will produce _only_ a Karaf 4 distribution for Carbon and deal with how to get us across that line?" Results are
18:32:50 <odl_meetbot> +1 (10): rovarga, skitt, anipbu, shague, hideyuki, colindixon, abhijitkumbhare, zxiiro, vrpolak, jamoluhrsen
18:33:18 <colindixon> #agreed the Carbon release of OpenDaylight will ship with Karaf 4 only, mostly for security reasons, the TSC takes ownership for getting us across that line
18:34:42 <colindixon> #action skitt and others to create a step-by-step guide and minimum required steps on th wiki
18:35:11 <skitt> #link https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/49550 <-- yangtools patch
18:36:39 <colindixon> #info vishnoianil asks if it has to be done all at once
18:37:50 <colindixon> #info as skitt explained in the e-mail, the only requirment is that we move in dependency order and nobody should have to be broken ever, we have a wave of karaf3+4 patches cascade through and then remove karaf3 as a wave going backward if we want
18:39:49 <colindixon> #info skitt notes that Karaf 4.0.9, which is the starting point is supposed to be released this weekend
18:40:40 <colindixon> #info skitt notes that if 4.0.9 doesn't ship this weekend, we'll start working against our own pre-release version of Karaf 4.0.9
18:40:52 <anipbu> it may help to get a primary contact in each project that will work on karaf 4 (most likely PTL)
18:41:57 <rovarga> anipbu: yes, we need to wrangle the projects
18:42:13 <rovarga> anipbu: at least to know if we are people out in the woods
18:42:14 <colindixon> #topic Nitrogen DDF timing
18:43:27 <colindixon> #info our current releas has 5/11 as a target, and there are other events coming around that time with OpenStack and memorial day
18:43:30 <vrpolak> Karaf 4: There are consequences for release plan. It contains conditions such as "features in integration" and "csit tests running", but currently we have no karaf4 integration and no karaf4 csit.
18:43:30 <colindixon> #undo
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18:43:36 <colindixon> #info our current release plan has 5/11 as a target, and there are other events coming around that time with OpenStack and memorial day
18:44:53 <colindixon> #info phrobb earlier in the week of the 22nd (which is tight against our current release epsecially given that we current release during the OpenStack summit) and around May 31st/June 1st would be OK as well, but then it comes up against the OPNFV summit pretty quickly
18:45:22 <colindixon> #action phrobb to send mail about Nitrogen DDF timing
18:45:23 <tykeal> really, really painful
18:45:47 <colindixon> #topic jenkins queue issues
18:46:06 <colindixon> Prem_: are you here? how critcial is it to do this today?
18:46:39 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2017-January/006498.html shague bring up current issues
18:47:03 <colindixon> #info zxiiro is looking at using OpenStack Heat instead of JClouds, which might help
18:47:52 <colindixon> #info tykeal notes that it's really just CSIT jobs that are the problem, so projects that gate on CSIT jobs are being hit hard
18:49:41 <Prem_> It would be good if we can complete it today :)
18:49:45 <rovarga> tykeal: I have also seen an uptake in SSH failures ... is that related to the queues  ?
18:49:59 <tykeal> rovarga not certain
18:50:48 <colindixon> Prem_: I'll try
18:51:33 <Prem_> colindixon: Thanks!  I will probably take 5 mins to present
18:54:42 <colindixon> #Info a lot of discussion about CSIT jobs and how we might help to fix this
18:55:36 <Prem_> Proposal page - https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:COE_integration
18:55:40 <colindixon> #topic Container Orchestration Proposal
18:55:52 <colindixon> #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:COE_integration
18:56:01 <colindixon> #link https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/project-proposals/2016-December/000563.html proposed on 12/15
18:56:09 <jamoluhrsen> and we are just moving the discussion about gating with CSIT to another time and we still have a giant jenkins queue right now and has been there all week  and no immediate solution.
18:56:39 <colindixon> phrobb, tykeal: can we set up time to talk about this tomorrow?
18:56:56 <tykeal> as long as it's afternoon PST I can do it
18:56:57 <colindixon> can we prioritize CSIT jobs triggered by some projects, e.g., those gating on them, for now?
18:57:10 <colindixon> tykeal: after noon? or afternoon?
18:57:22 <colindixon> much after noon starts to be hard for east coast folks, which shague and others are
18:57:28 <tykeal> noon+
18:57:37 <tykeal> I'm in meetings till just a bit before noon
18:57:52 <jamoluhrsen> 1pm PST?
18:57:56 <tykeal> I can do that
18:58:01 <colindixon> shague, jamoluhrsen, tykeal, zxiiro, could we start at 1p PST?
18:58:07 <jamoluhrsen> +1
18:58:26 <colindixon> somebody send an invite?
18:58:55 <jamoluhrsen> colindixon, I'll do it. bluejeans.
18:58:58 <zxiiro> colindixon: works for me
18:59:04 <shague> how does that work - from 12am jobs are at normal priority, then at 1pm they bump up? What happens the next day?
18:59:26 <shague> oh sorry, buys I was mixing colin's question with the call times
18:59:42 <colindixon> #info Prem_ presents the project for providing interfaces for OpenDaylight to be able to provide networking features for container orchestration systems, e.g., Kubernetes
19:01:49 <colindixon> #info the approach is to integrate with Kubernetes CNI directly and also via Kuryr
19:02:20 <colindixon> thats' a long, long list of inital committers…
19:02:57 <colindixon> #info developers from ericsson, redhat, intel, cienna, HPE and inocybe committed
19:03:20 <rovarga> colindixon: exactly my concern
19:05:35 <colindixon> #info Prem_ notes that the intent is to map everythning onto existing networking virtualization components, not create new ones, it will use existing Neutron implementations as the base
19:05:58 <colindixon> #info colindixon asks if the project really needs 15 committers? Prem_ says he'll update that with something more reasable
19:06:53 <colindixon> #info vishnoianil asks if it it will be in Carbon? Prem_ says they would like to be, but that's up to the TSC
19:07:41 <colindixon> #info Prem_ adds that the simple integration with Kuryr is probably pretty easy to get done in Carbon
19:10:18 <colindixon> #info colindixon and edwarnicke ask Prem_ if this is the right committer list?
19:12:02 <colindixon> #info Prem_ notes that the large committer list is mostly because this is moving a lot of different parts and integrating them
19:12:19 <colindixon> #startvote shall the TSC approve the COE project as an incubation project? -1,0,+1
19:12:19 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: shall the TSC approve the COE project as an incubation project? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1.
19:12:19 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
19:12:43 <jamoluhrsen> are there committers listed that are only for the kubernetes side?  that doesn't matter here right?
19:12:51 <edwarnicke> #vote +1
19:12:52 <vishnoianil> #vote +1
19:12:55 <anipbu> #vote +1
19:12:55 <colindixon> #vote +1
19:12:55 <hideyuki> #vote +1
19:12:56 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1
19:12:58 <zxiiro> #vote +1
19:13:03 <abhijitkumbhare> #vote +1
19:13:06 <rovarga> #vote 0
19:13:07 <vrpolak> #vote 0
19:13:14 <skitt> #vote +1
19:13:14 <shague> #vote +1
19:13:19 <colindixon> #endvote
19:13:19 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "shall the TSC approve the COE project as an incubation project?" Results are
19:13:19 <odl_meetbot> 0 (2): vrpolak, rovarga
19:13:19 <odl_meetbot> +1 (10): skitt, zxiiro, edwarnicke, shague, hideyuki, colindixon, jamoluhrsen, anipbu, vishnoianil, abhijitkumbhare
19:13:30 <colindixon> #agreed CoE is an incubtion project
19:13:33 <colindixon> #topic cookies
19:13:35 <colindixon> #endmeeting