========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by CaseyODL at 18:02:15 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2017/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2017-11-30-18.02.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Anil Vishnoi (vishnoianil, 18:03:00) * Thanh Ha (zxiiro, 18:03:05) * Brady Johnson (bjohnson, 18:03:06) * anipbu (anipbu, 18:03:08) * abhijitkumbhare (abhijitkumbhare, 18:03:08) * skitt (skitt, 18:03:09) * rovarga (rovarga, 18:03:18) * shague (shague, 18:03:23) * gzhao (gzhao, 18:04:35) * TSC chair nomination period open until Dec 13 (abhijitkumbhare, 18:08:12) * LuisGomez (LuisGomez, 18:08:21) * yuling asks to talk about TSDR joining Oxygen (skitt, 18:08:40) * rovarga asks where the project lifecycle page has gone (skitt, 18:08:48) * LINK: Nitrogen project lifecycle: http://docs.opendaylight.org/en/stable-nitrogen/release-process/project-lifecycle.html (skitt, 18:09:26) * but that’s not the one, rovarga is thinking about the page which described stable feature requirements etc. (skitt, 18:09:39) * ACTION: rovarga to send CaseyODL his email again (skitt, 18:10:05) * Events (skitt, 18:10:39) * OPNFV plugfest next week in Hillsboro (skitt, 18:10:57) * CaseyODL and abhijitkumbhare are attending (skitt, 18:11:10) * next big event is ONS (skitt, 18:11:23) * no other upcoming events on the immediate horizon (skitt, 18:11:39) * LINK: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-networking-summit-north-america Link to ONS (CaseyODL, 18:12:28) * ONS summit March 26-29 in downtown Las Angeles (bjohnson, 18:13:02) * Open Source Leadership summit, invite only, March 6-8, 2018 (bjohnson, 18:14:11) * Open Source leadership summit March 6-8 in the Sonoma Valley (skitt, 18:14:11) * Oxygen (skitt, 18:16:12) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Release_Dashboard (klou, 18:16:16) * the TSDR team have been catching up with Oxygen (skitt, 18:17:18) * their goal is modest for Oxygen: catch up with whatever was left out in Nitrogen and meet the requirements for Oxygen (skitt, 18:17:41) * TSDR is quite big so some work still needs to be done, but many features already working fine (skitt, 18:17:57) * next steps: CSIT and feature completeness (skitt, 18:18:06) * the TSDR project has migrated to Karaf 4 (skitt, 18:18:18) * rovarga suspects TSDR will encounter issues migrating to odlparent 3 (skitt, 18:19:14) * dfarrell07 thinks TSDR’s status is fine for Oxygen, but hopes futures releases of ODL will find a place for TSDR which doesn’t put such onerous requirements on the team (skitt, 18:21:42) * LINK: More info on TSDR request- https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2017-November/008375.html (klou, 18:21:56) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSDR:Main TSDR ODL Wiki (bjohnson, 18:23:01) * TSDR declared their intent to participate (skitt, 18:27:08) * anipbu wonders if this is a precedent, or if TSDR is being singled out: fall behind, get kicked out, then have to come back to the TSC to ask to get back in (skitt, 18:27:56) * rovarga hopes this sets a precedent: the milestones are important (skitt, 18:28:12) * from a release engineering perspective the important thing isn’t the readout, it’s the date (skitt, 18:28:34) * several agree we need to make this consistent, we encourage projects to be on time (skitt, 18:28:52) * perhaps we need to formalise this before singling out TSDR (skitt, 18:29:12) * we’d have to add something to the TSC charter describing how projects are removed and re-instated (skitt, 18:30:19) * e.g. time limits etc. (skitt, 18:30:40) * typically we drop projects after RC0 when they’re not effectively in the project (skitt, 18:30:56) * LINK: https://github.com/opendaylight/docs/tree/master/docs/release-process/milestone-readouts/m1 (anipbu, 18:32:57) * rovarga reminds us that some releases were made on time, thanks to careful planning (skitt, 18:33:06) * ACTION: the new TSC chair to start drafting language to update the charter (skitt, 18:35:13) * the governance documents need to be rewritten anyway (skitt, 18:35:22) * we might want to refactor our milestones too (as discussed in the recent TWS sessions) (skitt, 18:36:04) * fewer checkpoints with automatic metrics so we’re data-driven and objective (skitt, 18:36:44) * without setting a precedent yet (skitt, 18:37:45) * VOTE: Voted on "Shall the TSC approve TSDR’s return to Oxygen?" Results are, 0: 4, +1: 6 (skitt, 18:39:18) * AGREED: TSDR rejoins Oxygen (skitt, 18:40:29) * M2 still ongoing, half the projects have submitted (skitt, 18:42:10) * ACTION: klou to send another reminder next week (skitt, 18:44:12) * Nitrogen (skitt, 18:44:21) * SR1 released on Monday (skitt, 18:44:42) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Simultaneous_Release:Nitrogen_Release_Plan Nitrogen Release Plan (bjohnson, 18:44:57) * SR2 needs a revised date otherwise it will come out too close to SR1 (skitt, 18:45:03) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Release_Dashboard ODL Release Dashboard (bjohnson, 18:45:24) * perhaps combine SR2 and SR3? (skitt, 18:45:43) * either combine, or push back (skitt, 18:47:19) * not much overlap with Oxygen yet (skitt, 18:47:25) * raises the question of always pushing release back (skitt, 18:49:16) * need to build a combined calendar with all releases (skitt, 18:50:51) * so we can see how SRs fit in around the Oxygen release (skitt, 18:51:00) * ACTION: klou to combine all release dates in a single document, on a calendar of some sort (skitt, 18:55:49) * four SRs may be too many (skitt, 18:57:05) * bjohnson says we need SRs too avoid waiting too long (skitt, 18:57:58) * there’s a resource problem, or a process problem (skitt, 18:58:09) * exceptional situation because we’re supporting Carbon *and* Nitrogen as well as developing Oxygen (skitt, 18:59:58) * it also takes us too long to release (skitt, 19:00:14) * Carbon (skitt, 19:01:44) * Nitrogen (skitt, 19:01:50) * AGREED: we won’t have SR2 next week (skitt, 19:01:58) * Carbon (skitt, 19:02:02) * SR3 is December 14 (skitt, 19:02:09) * security issue being fixed, build ready to go (skitt, 19:02:20) * so should we release SR3 early? (skitt, 19:02:28) * OPNFV are seeing regressions on Carbon (skitt, 19:03:48) * AGREED: we’re not releasing SR3 early (skitt, 19:04:34) * Infrastructure (skitt, 19:04:50) * the Gerrit update last week failed and we're looking into scheduling another attempt soon once more testing is completed (skitt, 19:05:04) * Cookies (skitt, 19:05:14) * and congrats to all the winners, and welcome to the new TSC members (skitt, 19:05:36) * ACTION: someone to update the TSC page and update the agenda (skitt, 19:05:53) Meeting ended at 19:06:00 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * CaseyODL * rovarga to send CaseyODL his email again * klou * klou to send another reminder next week * klou to combine all release dates in a single document, on a calendar of some sort * rovarga * rovarga to send CaseyODL his email again * **UNASSIGNED** * the new TSC chair to start drafting language to update the charter * someone to update the TSC page and update the agenda People present (lines said) --------------------------- * skitt (88) * rovarga (15) * odl_meetbot (11) * abhijitkumbhare (10) * bjohnson (8) * CaseyODL (8) * gzhao (5) * anipbu (4) * zxiiro (4) * dfarrell07 (3) * shague (2) * klou (2) * LuisGomez (2) * vishnoianil (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4