18:00:31 <skitt> #startmeeting tsc 18:00:31 <odl_meetbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 11 18:00:31 2018 UTC. The chair is skitt. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 18:00:31 <odl_meetbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:00:31 <odl_meetbot> The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 18:00:37 <skitt> #topic Roll-call and agenda bashing 18:00:42 <skitt> #info TSC members please info in 18:00:55 <skitt> #chair CaseyODL 18:00:55 <odl_meetbot> Current chairs: CaseyODL skitt 18:01:43 <bjohnson> #info Brady Johnson 18:02:38 <skitt> #info skitt 18:02:41 <anipbu> #info anipbu 18:02:42 <jamoluhrsen> #info jamoluhrsen 18:02:43 <zxiiro> #info Thanh Ha 18:02:45 <rovarga_> #info rovarga_ 18:02:58 <klou> #info klou (proxy for George Zhao) 18:03:17 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez 18:03:24 <LuisGomez> #info LuisGomez proxy for anil vishnoi 18:03:50 <lori> #info lori 18:04:33 <shague> #info shague 18:05:13 <skitt> #action abhijitkumbhare to start an email thread providing a proposal for proxy/delegate & request other TSC members to feedback 18:05:19 <skitt> #action abhijitkumbhare to initiate an email thread regarding the Singularity Principle 18:05:26 <skitt> #action CaseyODL to go write a straw-man/skeleton "How to get help" docs page in docs repo via Gerrit/Rst 18:05:49 <skitt> #action TSC to check the LFN Webinar and bring out a proposal to decide the TAC representative 18:06:37 <skitt> #action CaseyODL to respond to the DDF discussion on the mailing list 18:07:40 <skitt> #action rovarga to revive stalled discussions on TrieMap after he is back from the vacation 18:07:49 <skitt> #link last week’s minutes https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2018/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2018-01-04-18.02.html 18:09:37 <skitt> #topic Mailing list discussions 18:09:47 <skitt> #info re Groups.io, auto-hashing will be added soon 18:10:06 <CaseyODL> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kodDtSg2/ 18:10:23 <skitt> #link what rejections look like if tags are enforced: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kodDtSg2/ 18:10:58 <skitt> #info the other Groups.io questions are still pending 18:12:01 <skitt> #info re the DDF, if we have the DDF on Monday or Tuesday, there will be scheduling conflicts 18:12:15 <skitt> #info if the DDF is on the Sunday, many people will have to travel on the previous Friday 18:12:45 <dfarrell07> #info One unanswered question from Fd.io I'll ado to CaseyODL's list: "What's their business model? Are we now going to be the product?" 18:12:56 <skitt> dfarrell07, excellent question 18:13:05 <skitt> dfarrell07, presumably the LF would be paying though 18:13:36 * zxiiro will be attending the XCI too 18:14:23 <skitt> #info only event on Sunday is OPNFV XCI 18:14:33 <skitt> #info Monday/Tuesday are dedicated to cross-project collaboration 18:14:41 <skitt> #info the CFP is ongoing so no schedule information yet 18:15:29 <bjohnson> #link https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-networking-summit-north-america-2018/program/cfp/ ONS CFP info and scheduling 18:15:40 <bjohnson> #info CFP Closes: Sunday, January 14, 2018 18:15:51 <bjohnson> #info CFP Notifications: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 18:16:00 <bjohnson> #info Schedule Announcement: Thursday, February 8, 2018 18:17:33 <jamoluhrsen> +1 to bjohnson's idea to book a room each day and release them when we know for sure 18:17:38 <skitt> #info bjohnson suggests putting an option on a room for Sunday through Tuesday and cancelling when we know 18:18:12 <skitt> #info rovarga_ points out we should really discuss what we want from the DDF 18:18:43 <skitt> #info if cross-project collaboration is to be successful the DDF needs to take that into account 18:20:41 <rovarga_> skitt: CaseyODL: the keynotes are always awesome. always. no matter what. ;-) 18:20:55 <skitt> rovarga_, are you giving one this year? :-P 18:21:06 <rovarga_> skitt: I sure hope note :) 18:21:09 <rovarga_> not :) 18:25:51 <dfarrell07> I still like the idea of having a few hours each day for DDF stuff, just not putting other track talks relevant to ODL during that time 18:26:03 <skitt> #topic Oxygen 18:26:24 <skitt> #info still chasing M2/M3 status 18:26:33 <skitt> #info four projects still need to provide M2 18:26:49 <skitt> #info 17 for M2 18:26:51 <skitt> #undo 18:26:51 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2a20510> 18:26:56 <skitt> #info 17 for M3 18:27:03 <skitt> #info offset 0 is in M4 now 18:27:25 <skitt> #info klou sent reminders for M2 this morning (dlux, dluxapps, p4plugin, faas) 18:29:38 <skitt> #info dlux and dluxapps no longer have a PTL effectively 18:30:12 <skitt> #info TSC might need to step in and ask for contributors from consuming projects 18:30:21 <skitt> #info or investigate removing dlux/dluxapps 18:30:28 <skitt> #info perhaps we should introduce a maintenance mode 18:30:54 <skitt> #info to be defined 18:31:50 <skitt> #info having such projects creates problems for us wrt security etc. 18:33:43 <skitt> #info need to encourage mobility from downstreams to upstreams 18:33:56 <skitt> #info e.g. if a project uses dlux, encourage its contributors to contribute to dlux 18:35:07 <skitt> #info need to communicate upstream situation to downstreams 18:35:51 <skitt> #info downstreams are liable to lose features if their upstreams disappear 18:35:57 <skitt> #info which is a strong incentive to find a solution 18:37:55 <skitt> #info we should reach out to dlux and dluxapps to see what the situation is 18:38:20 <skitt> #info in a similar fashion to netconf recently 18:39:09 <skitt> #action bjohnson to reach out to Maxime re. dlux and dluxapps and his involvement 18:40:23 <skitt> #action lori to reach out to Daniel Malachovsky 18:40:36 <skitt> #undo 18:40:36 <odl_meetbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x26b3090> 18:40:43 <skitt> #action rovarga_ to reach out to Daniel Malachovsky 18:41:54 <skitt> #info dlux and dluxapps are actively looking for contributors, so we should encourage people to step up 18:42:40 <skitt> #link odlparent 3 / yangtools 2 status: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/ODL_Root_Parent:BigBumpOfJan2018 18:43:02 <bjohnson> #info depending on the response from Maxime and Daniel, we will reach out to the projects asking someone else to step up and become PTL 18:43:11 <skitt> #link int/dist patch: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/67013 18:50:17 <skitt> #info projects will all be broken, even for plain builds, until their upstreams have merged 18:50:23 <skitt> #info because yangtools 2 is a breaking upgrade 18:55:46 <skitt> #info once we start merging, we can fall back by reverting 18:56:11 <skitt> #info we need to timebox the change to avoid massive disruption in projects trying to meet the code freeze 18:57:36 <skitt> #info few projects are actively racing to meet the code freeze 18:57:42 <skitt> #info genius and netvirt in particular, sfc too 18:58:59 * dfarrell07 votes just do it 18:59:21 * bjohnson agreed 19:01:07 <dfarrell07> +1, bring in the supercommitter rights 19:01:49 <rovarga_> careful.... 19:03:15 <dfarrell07> klou: we should write something into the F "joining release" step that gives TSC explicit permissions to use supercommitter rights in this case 19:03:29 <dfarrell07> and I'm okay just doing it now but I guess I'm a dictator at heart;) 19:05:19 <skitt> #startvote Does the TSC approve starting merges for odlparent 3 / yangtools 2 *right now*, and seeing where things stand on Monday? -1, 0, +1 19:05:19 <odl_meetbot> Begin voting on: Does the TSC approve starting merges for odlparent 3 / yangtools 2 *right now*, and seeing where things stand on Monday? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. 19:05:19 <odl_meetbot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:05:20 <dfarrell07> skitt: so start blowing stuff up 19:05:34 <zxiiro> #vote +1 19:05:35 <skitt> #vote +1 19:05:35 <rovarga_> #vote +1 19:05:37 <bjohnson> #vote +1 19:05:41 <lori> #vote +1 19:05:42 <jamoluhrsen> #vote +1 19:05:43 <LuisGomez> #vote +1 19:05:45 <anipbu> #vote +1 19:05:47 <klou> #vote +1 (for gzhao) 19:05:47 <odl_meetbot> klou: +1 (for gzhao) is not a valid option. Valid options are -1, 0, +1. 19:05:53 <shague> #vote +1 19:06:00 <klou> #vote +1 19:06:37 <skitt> #endvote 19:06:37 <odl_meetbot> Voted on "Does the TSC approve starting merges for odlparent 3 / yangtools 2 *right now*, and seeing where things stand on Monday?" Results are 19:06:37 <odl_meetbot> +1 (10): bjohnson, klou, skitt, anipbu, LuisGomez, shague, lori, jamoluhrsen, zxiiro, rovarga_ 19:07:35 <skitt> #topic Cookies 19:07:35 <dfarrell07> burning cookies 19:07:40 <skitt> #endmeeting