========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by skitt at 18:00:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2018/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2018-01-11-18.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll-call and agenda bashing (skitt, 18:00:37) * TSC members please info in (skitt, 18:00:42) * Brady Johnson (bjohnson, 18:01:43) * skitt (skitt, 18:02:38) * anipbu (anipbu, 18:02:41) * jamoluhrsen (jamoluhrsen, 18:02:42) * Thanh Ha (zxiiro, 18:02:43) * rovarga_ (rovarga_, 18:02:45) * klou (proxy for George Zhao) (klou, 18:02:58) * LuisGomez (LuisGomez, 18:03:17) * LuisGomez proxy for anil vishnoi (LuisGomez, 18:03:24) * lori (lori, 18:03:50) * shague (shague, 18:04:33) * ACTION: abhijitkumbhare to start an email thread providing a proposal for proxy/delegate & request other TSC members to feedback (skitt, 18:05:13) * ACTION: abhijitkumbhare to initiate an email thread regarding the Singularity Principle (skitt, 18:05:19) * ACTION: CaseyODL to go write a straw-man/skeleton "How to get help" docs page in docs repo via Gerrit/Rst (skitt, 18:05:26) * ACTION: TSC to check the LFN Webinar and bring out a proposal to decide the TAC representative (skitt, 18:05:49) * ACTION: CaseyODL to respond to the DDF discussion on the mailing list (skitt, 18:06:37) * ACTION: rovarga to revive stalled discussions on TrieMap after he is back from the vacation (skitt, 18:07:40) * LINK: last week’s minutes https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2018/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2018-01-04-18.02.html (skitt, 18:07:49) * Mailing list discussions (skitt, 18:09:37) * re Groups.io, auto-hashing will be added soon (skitt, 18:09:47) * LINK: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kodDtSg2/ (CaseyODL, 18:10:06) * LINK: what rejections look like if tags are enforced: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kodDtSg2/ (skitt, 18:10:23) * the other Groups.io questions are still pending (skitt, 18:10:58) * re the DDF, if we have the DDF on Monday or Tuesday, there will be scheduling conflicts (skitt, 18:12:01) * if the DDF is on the Sunday, many people will have to travel on the previous Friday (skitt, 18:12:15) * One unanswered question from Fd.io I'll ado to CaseyODL's list: "What's their business model? Are we now going to be the product?" (dfarrell07, 18:12:45) * only event on Sunday is OPNFV XCI (skitt, 18:14:23) * Monday/Tuesday are dedicated to cross-project collaboration (skitt, 18:14:33) * the CFP is ongoing so no schedule information yet (skitt, 18:14:41) * LINK: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-networking-summit-north-america-2018/program/cfp/ ONS CFP info and scheduling (bjohnson, 18:15:29) * CFP Closes: Sunday, January 14, 2018 (bjohnson, 18:15:40) * CFP Notifications: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 (bjohnson, 18:15:51) * Schedule Announcement: Thursday, February 8, 2018 (bjohnson, 18:16:00) * bjohnson suggests putting an option on a room for Sunday through Tuesday and cancelling when we know (skitt, 18:17:38) * rovarga_ points out we should really discuss what we want from the DDF (skitt, 18:18:12) * if cross-project collaboration is to be successful the DDF needs to take that into account (skitt, 18:18:43) * Oxygen (skitt, 18:26:03) * still chasing M2/M3 status (skitt, 18:26:24) * four projects still need to provide M2 (skitt, 18:26:33) * 17 for M3 (skitt, 18:26:56) * offset 0 is in M4 now (skitt, 18:27:03) * klou sent reminders for M2 this morning (dlux, dluxapps, p4plugin, faas) (skitt, 18:27:25) * dlux and dluxapps no longer have a PTL effectively (skitt, 18:29:38) * TSC might need to step in and ask for contributors from consuming projects (skitt, 18:30:12) * or investigate removing dlux/dluxapps (skitt, 18:30:21) * perhaps we should introduce a maintenance mode (skitt, 18:30:28) * to be defined (skitt, 18:30:54) * having such projects creates problems for us wrt security etc. (skitt, 18:31:50) * need to encourage mobility from downstreams to upstreams (skitt, 18:33:43) * e.g. if a project uses dlux, encourage its contributors to contribute to dlux (skitt, 18:33:56) * need to communicate upstream situation to downstreams (skitt, 18:35:07) * downstreams are liable to lose features if their upstreams disappear (skitt, 18:35:51) * which is a strong incentive to find a solution (skitt, 18:35:57) * we should reach out to dlux and dluxapps to see what the situation is (skitt, 18:37:55) * in a similar fashion to netconf recently (skitt, 18:38:20) * ACTION: bjohnson to reach out to Maxime re. dlux and dluxapps and his involvement (skitt, 18:39:09) * ACTION: rovarga_ to reach out to Daniel Malachovsky (skitt, 18:40:43) * dlux and dluxapps are actively looking for contributors, so we should encourage people to step up (skitt, 18:41:54) * LINK: odlparent 3 / yangtools 2 status: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/ODL_Root_Parent:BigBumpOfJan2018 (skitt, 18:42:40) * depending on the response from Maxime and Daniel, we will reach out to the projects asking someone else to step up and become PTL (bjohnson, 18:43:02) * LINK: int/dist patch: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/67013 (skitt, 18:43:11) * projects will all be broken, even for plain builds, until their upstreams have merged (skitt, 18:50:17) * because yangtools 2 is a breaking upgrade (skitt, 18:50:23) * once we start merging, we can fall back by reverting (skitt, 18:55:46) * we need to timebox the change to avoid massive disruption in projects trying to meet the code freeze (skitt, 18:56:11) * few projects are actively racing to meet the code freeze (skitt, 18:57:36) * genius and netvirt in particular, sfc too (skitt, 18:57:42) * VOTE: Voted on "Does the TSC approve starting merges for odlparent 3 / yangtools 2 *right now*, and seeing where things stand on Monday?" Results are, +1: 10 (skitt, 19:06:37) * Cookies (skitt, 19:07:35) Meeting ended at 19:07:40 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * bjohnson * bjohnson to reach out to Maxime re. dlux and dluxapps and his involvement * CaseyODL * CaseyODL to go write a straw-man/skeleton "How to get help" docs page in docs repo via Gerrit/Rst * CaseyODL to respond to the DDF discussion on the mailing list * rovarga_ * rovarga_ to reach out to Daniel Malachovsky * **UNASSIGNED** * abhijitkumbhare to start an email thread providing a proposal for proxy/delegate & request other TSC members to feedback * abhijitkumbhare to initiate an email thread regarding the Singularity Principle * TSC to check the LFN Webinar and bring out a proposal to decide the TAC representative * rovarga to revive stalled discussions on TrieMap after he is back from the vacation People present (lines said) --------------------------- * skitt (66) * odl_meetbot (11) * bjohnson (8) * dfarrell07 (8) * rovarga_ (6) * klou (3) * zxiiro (3) * LuisGomez (3) * jamoluhrsen (3) * shague (2) * lori (2) * anipbu (2) * CaseyODL (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4