========================== #opendaylight-meeting: tsc ========================== Meeting started by CaseyLF at 16:58:09 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2018/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2018-04-05-16.58.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * jamoluhrsen (jamoluhrsen, 16:59:13) * Agenda Bashing, Roll Call (abhijitkumbhare, 16:59:23) * abhijitkumbhare (abhijitkumbhare, 16:59:32) * Brady Johnson (bjohnson_, 16:59:39) * skitt (skitt, 17:00:03) * ACTION: jamoluhrsen to ping shague to get snapshot vm work put in to jira tasks (jamoluhrsen, 17:01:20) * anipbu (anipbu, 17:01:47) * LINK: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting#Agenda Agenda (abhijitkumbhare, 17:01:52) * Thanh Ha (zxiiro, 17:01:54) * Claudio (cdgasparini, 17:02:14) * rovarga_ (rovarga_, 17:02:50) * shague (shague, 17:02:53) * #project netvirt genius ovsdb coe (shague, 17:03:48) * gzhao (gzhao, 17:04:07) * Groups.io (abhijitkumbhare, 17:04:16) * the LF is trying to migrate to Groups.io (skitt, 17:05:10) * individuals can be moderators so groups can self-moderate without LF staff (skitt, 17:05:32) * users have a single account across all Groups.io groups (skitt, 17:05:44) * LuisGomez (LuisGomez, 17:05:49) * Anil Vishnoi (vishnoianil, 17:06:35) * LF will be able to delegate moderation (skitt, 17:07:27) * the LF IT has decided to migrate all Mailman instances to Groups.io (skitt, 17:09:13) * projects which don’t want Groups.io will have to find their own provider (skitt, 17:09:23) * the deadline is end of Q2 2018 (skitt, 17:09:29) * the current Mailman services we use are hosted by the LF (skitt, 17:13:39) * and the LF is discontinuing these services at the end of Q2 (skitt, 17:13:52) * dfarrell07 rovarga_ and others are very unhappy about being forced into this from above by LF, think it's not okay for LF to dictate to projects like this (dfarrell07, 17:14:00) * many TSC memebers are voicing concerns about being forced to move. (jamoluhrsen, 17:14:02) * dfarrell07 asks for people making this decision to attend this call, apparently the refused (dfarrell07, 17:14:16) * no one present from the LF has context on the decision (skitt, 17:14:22) * ACTION: dfarrell07 will bring this to TAC and GB (dfarrell07, 17:14:28) * the people who do were asked to join the call but refused (skitt, 17:14:31) * abhijitkumbhare asks whether mailman was hosted by LF? Answer is yes (abhijitkumbhare, 17:15:17) * phrobb hears loud and clear the negative impact on ODL and agrees with our taking this to the TAC (skitt, 17:15:17) * phrobb encourages TSC members to talk to board members (skitt, 17:15:50) * abhijitkumbhare further asks whether this is a LF decision or an LFN decision? (abhijitkumbhare, 17:15:51) * this should be discussed openly, after the ONS fiasco, many projects are getting very worrisome about the LF control (shague, 17:15:53) * phrobb mentions that the board wasn’t involved in the decision (skitt, 17:16:00) * dfarrell07 and many others are very concerned about this type of change in LF direction (dfarrell07, 17:16:26) * phrobb wasn’t aware of this before the call (skitt, 17:16:51) * the Q2 discontinuation was communicated to tykeal and CaseyLF only yesterday (skitt, 17:17:20) * anil says LF should go to projects with ideas, talk and get buy-in, then move in a direction, not force things from above (dfarrell07, 17:17:53) * ACTION: dfarrell07 to bring LF open process requirement to TAC (dfarrell07, 17:18:17) * this is an LF decision, not an LFN decision (skitt, 17:18:39) * phrobb suggests it might just be a misunderstanding (skitt, 17:22:24) * that someone at LF IT thought it pointless to continue maintaining two similar services (skitt, 17:22:39) * we don't want this precedence set where we get dictated to like this. (jamoluhrsen, 17:23:17) * Neon DDF (skitt, 17:23:27) * Releases (skitt, 17:23:44) * Fluorine first (skitt, 17:24:01) * https://jira.opendaylight.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10303 <==== Fluorine Dashboard (anipbu, 17:24:13) * dfarrell07 sent a summary out on various topics (skitt, 17:24:18) * four more reviews still need to be done, hopefully in this call (skitt, 17:24:37) * https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2018-April/009331.html Managed Apps & Initial Checkpoint Status (abhijitkumbhare, 17:25:03) * coe, lisp, sfc, netvirt still need approval (skitt, 17:25:04) * LINK: https://jira.opendaylight.org/issues/?filter=10235 (dfarrell07, 17:25:08) * LINK: dfarrell07’s email: https://lists.opendaylight.org/pipermail/tsc/2018-April/009331.html (skitt, 17:25:20) * LINK: https://jira.opendaylight.org/browse/TSC-66 COE Managed Application (dfarrell07, 17:25:34) * the application was submitted on time but missed a field (skitt, 17:26:15) * very active project (skitt, 17:26:20) * dependency of netvirt (skitt, 17:26:24) * small code-based (skitt, 17:26:28) * high interest (skitt, 17:26:33) * focused scope (skitt, 17:26:49) * AGREED: The TSC approves COE as a managed project for Fluorine (skitt, 17:28:28) * LINK: https://jira.opendaylight.org/browse/TSC-52 netvirt (dfarrell07, 17:28:59) * AGREED: The TSC approves NetVirt as a managed project for Fluorine (skitt, 17:29:14) * LINK: https://jira.opendaylight.org/browse/TSC-54 lisp (dfarrell07, 17:29:45) * LINK: https://git.opendaylight.org/gerrit/#/c/70308/ Patch to cut dlux dependency (bjohnson_, 17:29:46) * LINK: https://jira.opendaylight.org/browse/TSC-47 sfc (dfarrell07, 17:30:43) * AGREED: The TSC approves LISP as a managed project for Fluorine (skitt, 17:30:58) * AGREED: The TSC approves SFC as a managed project for Fluorine (skitt, 17:31:37) * bjohnson_ asks who should update the JIRA for joining (skitt, 17:32:44) * dfarrell07 says he can take care of it, or bjohnson_ can if he wishes (skitt, 17:32:55) * dfarrell07 has filed grievances against projects missing their JIRA to join the release (skitt, 17:33:29) * ACTION: dfarrell07 will mark all participation checkpoints and initial checkpoints to "resolved" and "closed" (anipbu, 17:33:46) * we should review the grievances in the next TSC call (skitt, 17:34:09) * LuisGomez points out we need to file more grievances against kernel projects with too few committers (skitt, 17:34:44) * re TSDR, dfarrell07 has had lots of email discussion with yulingchen and Scott (skitt, 17:35:45) * to explain that unmanaged status is a good thing for projects like TSDR (skitt, 17:36:01) * and communicate the TSC’s concerns re committers (skitt, 17:37:16) * yulingchen explains that there are two active TSDR committers along with tompantelis who helps out with technical migrations (skitt, 17:37:51) * yulingchen feels there’s a gap between the TSC’s perception of TSDR and the reality of the project (skitt, 17:38:06) * most of the recent patches were tompantelis’s patches (skitt, 17:38:40) * TSDR doesn’t break ODL (skitt, 17:38:48) * yulingchen asks if managed projects need to have commits every day (skitt, 17:39:15) * dfarrell07 explains that managed projects need to pay close attention to the ODL ecosystem (skitt, 17:39:28) * yulingchen points out that “unmanaged” itself has negative connotation (skitt, 17:41:35) * managed v. unmanaged isn’t a mark of quality, it’s a mark of how well the ODL release fits a project’s specific plan and aims (skitt, 17:42:35) * the management angle is only with regards to the release team (skitt, 17:43:25) * “self-managed” might be a better term, v. “release-managed” (skitt, 17:43:37) * TSDR fears that being unmanaged will reduce their ability to be used by other projects (skitt, 17:45:19) * “managed” is more of a commitment to the ODL community in general, with contributions to other ODL projects, processes etc. (skitt, 17:46:46) * ACTION: dfarrell07 to clarify in managed docs that we expect projects to work on all of ODL, contribute back, not take more cycles then they give (dfarrell07, 17:46:49) * ACTION: dfarrell07 to consider renaming Managed to ~TSC Managed and Unmanaged to Self-Managed (dfarrell07, 17:47:16) * yulingchen thanks the TSC for providing all this information (skitt, 17:53:17) * the TSC wants to reinforce the message that TSDR isn’t doing anything bad (skitt, 17:53:49) * TSDR wants to end up being managed but understands that it needs to do more (skitt, 17:54:29) * SRs coming up (skitt, 17:55:30) * Oxygen SR1 a week on Saturday (skitt, 17:55:40) * Carbon SR4 on April 26 (skitt, 17:55:45) * Oxygen autorelease is good, Carbon autorelease is a mess (skitt, 17:55:54) * Happy birthday to dfarrell07 in advance for April 14! (abhijitkumbhare, 17:55:54) * anipbu asks when we want to lock the branches (skitt, 17:56:34) * we still need to do the version bumps for Oxygen (and Fluorine) (skitt, 17:57:03) * we should bump before we lock (skitt, 17:57:11) * AGREED: the version bumps will happen ASAP for Oxygen, driven by the releng team (skitt, 18:00:12) * cookies (skitt, 18:01:52) Meeting ended at 18:01:54 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * dfarrell07 * dfarrell07 will bring this to TAC and GB * dfarrell07 to bring LF open process requirement to TAC * dfarrell07 will mark all participation checkpoints and initial checkpoints to "resolved" and "closed" * dfarrell07 to clarify in managed docs that we expect projects to work on all of ODL, contribute back, not take more cycles then they give * dfarrell07 to consider renaming Managed to ~TSC Managed and Unmanaged to Self-Managed * jamoluhrsen * jamoluhrsen to ping shague to get snapshot vm work put in to jira tasks * shague * jamoluhrsen to ping shague to get snapshot vm work put in to jira tasks People present (lines said) --------------------------- * skitt (76) * dfarrell07 (25) * abhijitkumbhare (20) * jamoluhrsen (17) * shague (7) * odl_meetbot (7) * rovarga_ (6) * bjohnson_ (5) * anipbu (4) * vishnoianil (4) * gzhao (2) * cdgasparini (2) * zxiiro (2) * CaseyLF (2) * LuisGomez (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4