15:58:20 #startmeeting tsc 15:58:20 Meeting started Thu Jun 28 15:58:20 2018 UTC. The chair is skitt. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 15:58:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:58:20 The meeting name has been set to 'tsc' 15:58:26 #chair abhijitkumbhare 15:58:26 Current chairs: abhijitkumbhare skitt 15:58:29 chair CaseyLF 15:58:38 #topic Roll-call and agenda bashing 15:58:46 #info *TSC members* please #info in 15:58:52 #info *Project reps* please #project in 15:59:17 #link Agenda: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting#Agenda 15:59:33 #info skitt 15:59:45 #info abhijitkumbhare 15:59:46 #project odlparent netvirt controller ovsdb integration/distribution 16:00:09 #info Brady Johnson 16:00:13 #project bgpcep 16:00:18 #project SFC 16:01:14 #info anipbu 16:01:24 #info Thanh Ha 16:01:24 #info gzhao proxy 16:01:56 #info jamoluhrsen 16:02:00 #info rovarga 16:02:19 #info LuisGomez 16:02:24 dfarrell07: ? 16:02:25 Interesting attendee - Mobile vorburger :) 16:02:29 #info shague via jamoluhrsen proxy 16:02:44 abhijitkumbhare, it’s when he moves so fast he’s just a blur 16:03:30 He is not just mobile - he is already on 5G :) 16:03:37 #link https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/File:Antitrust_Slide.pptx Anti-Trust policy 16:03:40 jamoluhrsen, that should be jamoluhrsen:3128, shouldn’t it? :-P 16:03:43 #info aadam 16:03:55 #undo 16:03:58 #info faseela 16:04:12 aadam: Only TSC members need to #info in 16:04:17 #project genius coe 16:04:20 :-) 16:04:23 #project yangtools, mdsal, coretutorials 16:04:28 #project usc 16:04:36 aadam: I always feel like I should #info in too ;) 16:04:41 #project serviceutils 16:04:51 Appreciate that Daniel :-) 16:05:09 dfarrell07, aadam i have always been doing that then :P 16:05:11 #topic TSC Marketing Oversight 16:05:19 #topic TSC marketing oversight 16:05:23 #undo 16:05:23 Removing item from minutes: 16:05:47 #info the question came up in this week’s TAC call of whether projects want to manage their own marketing budget 16:05:55 #info Anil Vishnoi 16:05:55 #project distribution 16:06:09 #info the question from the TAC to the TSC is “do you want to manage the direction of marketing? do you want to manage the marketing budget?” 16:06:42 #project openflowplugin 16:07:20 #info this is part of a general devolution of board powers to each LFN project’s TSC 16:07:33 #info the amount of money involved is TBD 16:07:45 #info but each LFN project could have its own discretionary budget 16:07:50 #info Provide discretionary funds for the individual projects for Marketing 16:07:55 #info there would also be common LFN budgets 16:08:12 #info each project would have control over its own budget and would have to take care of it 16:08:18 #info ODL might not have the cycles for it 16:08:56 #info the proposal still needs to be refined at the TAC level before detailed TSC discussion 16:10:23 #info this is about direct decision-making about all marketing: meetups, swag, etc. 16:11:07 #info the TAC and TSCs are invited to the next board meeting to discuss various topics of interest to them, including this marketing discussion, which is why phrobb added it to the agenda 16:11:13 #info this will take place on July 18 16:19:21 #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/10545/ Community Oriented Budget Process - please leave comments 16:19:39 #link https://gerrit.linuxfoundation.org/infra/#/c/11139/ LFN Gov Docs - please leave comments 16:21:09 #action Members of the TSC will review the gerrit notes and provide feedback. Review at next TSC meeting. 16:22:23 #info Options are 1) total control of budget (complete ownership of marketing), 2) small discretionary funding for ODL activities (e.g. extra interns, travel for deserving folks like interns, etc.) or 3) relinquish control to the MAC 16:28:47 abhijitkumbhare, we need to move on with the agenda 16:29:16 dashboard https://jira.opendaylight.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=10403 16:29:30 #info The general consensus is that the primary management of the funding should be handled by the MAC and LF staff. But there should be some improvements in the feedback loop from the community. 16:29:43 #topic Future of development get-togethers and the relationship with ONS 16:29:44 #topic Future of development get-togethers and the relationship with ONS 16:29:46 #info dfarrell07 takes away the general impression that ODL thinks it would be best served by leaving substantial chunks of work with LF, like marketing, vs handling in TSC 16:29:46 #undo 16:29:46 Removing item from minutes: 16:29:51 #info dfarrell07 takes away the general impression that ODL thinks it would be best served by leaving substantial chunks of work with LF, like marketing, vs handling in TSC 16:30:02 sorry if I messed up some notes 16:30:09 #project tsdr 16:35:02 #info duality of purposes of DDFs v. Summits (developer-oriented v. user-oriented) 16:35:25 #info LF decided a while back to not have DDFs concurrently with Summits to avoid the scheduling conflicts for key developers 16:35:36 #info ONS is an LF event, not an LFN event 16:35:50 #info it must be self-funding, hence the high cost of registration 16:36:06 #info (in the past, ODL and OPNFV summits often ran at a loss) 16:36:26 #info ONS registration needs to remain at ~$1200 per person 16:36:43 #info LFN is aware that this is too expensive for many developers, so developer events should not be required to be coupled with ONS 16:36:59 #info tech content at ONS isn’t interesting for the event’s target audience 16:37:46 #info TAC requested to bring pack project-based technical sessions at ONS, interwoven with ONS tracks 16:38:04 #info wants more cross-project events 16:39:04 #info hence pursuing the member-hosted model, but few member companies can host large events 16:42:25 hello, is the TSC meeting minuted here? 16:42:35 vorburger, yes 16:43:06 vorburger, you can catch up here: https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2018/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2018-06-28-15.58.log.txt 16:43:22 skitt: thanks! 16:43:31 #project daexim 16:43:37 #project daexim 16:43:41 #project infrautils 16:43:57 #project archetypes 16:44:20 sorry vorburger - we have used the time for other things quite a bit today 16:44:58 skitt: LOL re. "just a blur" ;-) 16:45:05 vorburger, heh heh 16:48:14 #info we’ll continue the conversation on the mailing list 16:48:36 #topic Releases 16:48:42 #undo 16:48:42 Removing item from minutes: 16:48:44 #topic Accessing CSIT debug environments 16:48:50 thx skitt 16:49:08 #info this is a question to the LF 16:49:34 #info not being able to access our build/test environments with SSH causes huge amounts of lost time 16:49:55 #info action jamoluhrsen to open a ticket with the helpdeks 16:50:08 #info CaseyLF will discuss it with the LF’s director of IT 16:50:22 #info it could be in the sandbox if necessary, that would be sufficient 16:50:46 #info zxiiro mentions that sandbox and production are on the same network which could cause issues 16:52:55 #info aadam says this is a blocker for clustering issues tests 16:53:25 jamoluhrsen: I see a Gerrit patch coming up from you where you add a sshd server 16:54:12 vorburger: one of those reverse tunnel things? 16:54:13 phrobb, note that I stopped taking notes when discussing the sandbox access ;-) 16:54:44 skitt: recording is on 16:54:50 vpickard, so it is 16:54:53 jamoluhrsen: yeah. A man's got to (a) eat, and (b) be able to get work done.. :-) 16:54:59 vpickard, who listens to the recordings? ;-) 16:55:09 @skitt if I had any idea as to what you are talking about I'd say "wise man.... wise man" ;-) 16:55:15 #action aadam to follow up on creating a helpdesk ticket and CaseyLF /phrobb will help us facilitate the conversation with LFN staff 16:55:18 skitt: someone who cant sleep thinking about debugging csit 16:55:41 #topic Clustering taskforce efforts 16:55:51 #info we’re making progress on a number of fronts 16:56:00 #info faseela is tackling NetVirt CSIT and filing bugs 16:56:11 #info a number of people are looking into issues in the Controller 3-node CSIT 16:56:47 #info patches are coming in to improve transactions 16:56:56 #info we’re looking at qualifying tell-based clustering 16:57:18 #project neutron 16:58:39 Beyond what can be discussed in the next 2 minutes, for other remaining topics we will need to follow up next meeting - apologies if not all topics were not covered today 17:00:01 * bjohnson_ I have to disconnect now 17:02:11 Notice for TSC: Middle Checkpoint next week. Need to review projects. 17:02:30 #topic Cookies 17:02:32 #endmeeting