15:06:00 #startmeeting neutron_northbound 15:06:00 Meeting started Mon Nov 6 15:06:00 2017 UTC. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html. 15:06:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:06:00 The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_northbound' 15:06:04 #chair rajivk 15:06:04 Current chairs: rajivk yamahata 15:06:12 #topic agenda bashing and roll call 15:06:16 #info yamahata 15:06:25 #info rajivk 15:06:45 any additional topics? 15:06:54 today I'd like to discuss about timeslot. 15:07:31 Officially Monday at 08:00 PST/PDT, but I'm not sure the attendee is aware of PST/PDT. 15:08:01 Maybe given the current attendee, I should raise it on the mailing list, to follow daylight-saving-time change in US. 15:08:08 any other topics? 15:08:14 no 15:08:34 okay. 15:09:03 #action yamahata send a mail to the mailing list regarding to PDT/PST issue or timeslot. 15:09:17 #topic Announcements 15:09:31 This week there is a openstack summit in sydney. 15:10:14 and the next week Nov 14, 2014 is M2 of ODL. it's feature freeze. 15:10:25 any other announcement? 15:10:43 not from my side. 15:11:47 wow, wasn't this supposed to be in 1h? 15:12:05 mpeterson: are you aware of daylight-saving time? 15:12:23 right, I thought the clock changed and thus it was going to be in 1h 15:12:37 Last week I forgot to mention it. So I assumed that no one is aware of it. 15:12:54 yamahata: oh, we were aware :) 15:13:17 Actually all the attendee except Isaku is out of US. 15:13:50 so? not sure I follow :) 15:14:26 So I assumed that the attendee wasn't aware of daylight-saving-time change. 15:14:39 oh 15:14:44 okey... 15:14:55 I'm not sure mkolesni will connect to the meeting nevertheless 15:15:01 I'm fine with eitherway. to follow daylight-saving-time or not to. 15:15:05 so we can continue it now if you want 15:15:11 I prefer this timeslot actually 15:15:22 not sure mkolesni and jhershbe though 15:15:47 Anyway I'll send a main on it to the mailing list regarding to timeslot. 15:16:14 This week we have mpeterson and rajivk. 15:16:35 okey 15:17:13 So what should we do this week? do you prefer to continue or start over in 1h? 15:17:41 We can continue, we already lost 20 minutes though 15:17:52 I guess we can overflow if we need 15:18:02 rajivk: how about you? 15:18:16 continue 15:18:48 Okay, let's continue. 15:18:57 #topic action items from last meeting 15:19:06 okey, so I have some updates on this 15:19:17 let me find the links, just a sec 15:19:55 action items are only patch review and bug/ci fixes. 15:20:03 #link https://review.openstack.org/517897 This is the patch that fixes Grafana 15:20:51 #link https://review.openstack.org/517898 This and all patches that preced are the patches that are requirements for the grafana fix 15:21:02 Oh very cool. grafana has been very good source to understand CI stability. 15:21:52 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517359/ This one is an experiment with Zuul native jobs for fullstack and functional tests 15:22:01 that seems to be working btw :D 15:22:22 or at least it was working until I did a small experimental refactor that I'm now fixing 15:22:34 and I think that covers my pending action items :) 15:22:44 Perfect! 15:22:56 btw grafana issue is common among openstack project, right? 15:23:19 yamahata: yes, everyone needs to apply the same fixes 15:23:52 #action mpeterson to update on Zuul v3 migration status 15:24:38 any other update? rajivk ? 15:25:00 yes 15:25:17 yamahata: basically two changes happened: 1) the job names changed; 2) job names are now shared across projects/branches so you can't only refer through the job name, you need to specify project and branch 15:25:47 i am still waiting for review on recovery https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500366/ 15:26:08 yamahata: of course that means I need you to +2 +W 517897 and the 2 other patches that that one is based on 15:26:56 I'll review them today. 15:27:03 I love grafana and zuulv3. 15:27:23 haha why? care to expand :) 15:27:59 IMHO they have been very careless with the zuulv3 implementation 15:28:18 regarding to 500366 recovery patch, we're getting near to merge. 15:28:33 I'll review it today. 15:28:44 and neutron_lib patch seems to be failing on grenade jobs, manjeets is right. i need to find out. 15:29:02 grafana is very good source to monitor CI stability. 15:29:15 zuulv3 gives us our control on CI. 15:29:46 Especially grafana gives us confidence with actual data. 15:31:37 #topic patches/bugs 15:31:48 gotcha 15:32:53 rajivk: any other patches to discuss? I suppose recovery patch would be first priority. 15:33:29 yeah, you already told, that you will review it today. 15:33:45 and neutron-lib, i will fix for grenade jobs 15:33:56 however i would like to discus one thing 15:34:13 rajivk: please go ahead. 15:34:29 We have periodic task for sync entries to odl, can not we move into maintenance task 15:34:40 like we have full sync and recovery? 15:35:15 this way, it will save us some from some complexity like, we don't have to run timer to wake thread for processing 15:35:30 mmmm but maintenance runs sporadically 15:35:43 whereas sync entries happens more regularly 15:36:19 so may be we can trigger sync as we are doing for driver operations 15:36:33 and the task that we create for maintenance, it will have interval set to low value 15:36:46 like we have now, for timer so similarly we set it low 15:37:29 it will save us from complexity and make code easier 15:37:45 Am i missing something? 15:37:54 but they cover two different use case 15:38:34 the driver operations trigger the processing for that operation in particular while the timer makes sure that things that weren't able to process at that time will get processed later 15:39:06 so i am talking about second use case. 15:39:20 i want to keep intact first one and move second one to maintenance 15:40:15 and they will go through same locking mechanism like they are going now, so synchronization problem is still handled the same way 15:40:29 rajivk: The goal is to refactor/simplify the code. you're not seeing issue with it, right? 15:40:53 yes, so i initiated discussion to get your inputs 15:41:00 rajivk: currently maintenance is set to a 5 minutes interval (default value), you don't want to wait 5 minutes to process something that wasn't able to process in the first use case 15:41:15 rajivk: example of something that would fall in the second use case 15:41:32 rajivk: create_network; create_port 15:41:46 rajivk: create_network won't be able to process until create_port is processed 15:41:54 wait, i mis communicated. but we are going to put it into separate task not in the existing task. 15:42:13 rajivk: therefore it needs to happen async of the driver op 15:42:20 okey, I listen :) 15:42:25 i mean, like we have maintenance and pseudo-agent task 15:42:37 we create one more periodic task 15:42:57 and we set low value for that periodic task, we don't use the default value of maintenace 15:43:02 because the task is different 15:43:34 rajivk: do you mean neutron worker? 15:43:36 currently, if we have periodic task framework already 15:44:27 yeah, mpeterson is working on it 15:44:28 https://github.com/openstack/networking-odl/blob/master/networking_odl/journal/periodic_task.py#L29 15:45:37 gotcha 15:45:46 so, we create one more task and while creating worker https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492605/13/networking_odl/journal/worker.py 15:45:51 see in this patch 15:46:17 mpeterson, do you see, we have an option to specify interval here, so it defers from maintenance interval. 15:46:42 if we see logically then we are mixing journal processing and periodic task in current implementation 15:46:58 now you really got me confused :) 15:47:32 rajivk: what do you want to do? :/ 15:48:05 mpeterson, we actually periodically calls journal sync, right? 15:48:27 rajivk: on a timer, yes 15:48:33 rajivk: not as a PeriodicTask 15:48:42 but we are doing it through timer and set(), wait() 15:48:58 mpeterson, i want to make it periodic task that's it. 15:49:48 rajivk: what advantage would that give? 15:50:17 it makes code simple, we give responsibilities to classes, what they do the best. 15:50:26 rajivk: it's overkill to use PeriodicTask for it. That class adds a whole different level of complexity to be able to manage more complex scenarios. 15:50:39 periodic task does periodic work, and journal one syncs on demand on operation 15:51:40 mpeterson, that's why i started this discussion 15:51:49 to get your opinions 15:51:59 how does it make complex? 15:52:18 rajivk: right, right, sorry if I reacted like that :) 15:53:07 :) i just wanted the discussion to start and get your opinion, 15:53:29 it's ok the idea is bad, but i could see it, making things simple. 15:53:32 rajivk: PeriodicTask is meant to run several operations that you can register and it adds a lot of constraints to the execution (ie: lock, back-to-back) and adds logging as well 15:53:38 yamahata, any comments? 15:54:09 rajivk: and this is done against the DB, so that means that we would be impacting the DB as well 15:54:19 JournalPeriodicProcessor is already neutron worker. May be we can drop _timer. 15:54:39 But I don't see benefit to use db for global locking. 15:55:19 journal periodic syncer is for HA and for rescuing entries dropped on the follow for some reasons. 15:56:04 If you're seeing actual issue, the story would be different. 15:56:37 yamahata: you mean running without a timer and executing on a loop? 15:56:59 yamahata, i am not seeing issue, just wanted to make code more simple. 15:57:11 yamahata: RIght, maybe. I'm not sure if it's worthwhile or not. 15:58:31 yamahata, but keeping in loop, at the same time we might have thread triggerred due to neutron operation 15:58:58 currently, it is handled. I am talking, if we keep in loop. 15:59:33 anyway just an idea. I don't see much gain with it. 16:00:25 it's 1 hour. 16:00:36 we can continue disucssion next week. 16:00:42 any other patches to discuss? 16:00:50 patches or bugs/issues. 16:00:59 not from my side 16:01:17 I see a patch on test_odl_l3 from rajivk 16:01:32 yeah, actually that patch is revert in neutron 16:01:34 the patch on neutron was reverted, so it makes sense to make it run. 16:01:50 so, i thought, we can revert our skip as well. 16:02:04 and I can revise a patch to run the tests with both v1 and v2. 16:02:33 okay. 16:02:38 anything else? 16:03:05 It looks like mkolesni and josh won't joint. 16:03:13 #topic open mike 16:03:41 nothing else 16:03:47 okay, just final caution. next week timeslot may or may not change depending on the discussion. 16:04:00 today I'll send a mail on timeslot 16:04:08 So please be aware of it. 16:04:15 Thank you every one. 16:04:23 #topic cookies 16:04:29 #endmeeting