15:01:08 #startmeeting OPNFV TSC 15:01:08 Meeting started Tue Nov 11 15:01:08 2014 UTC. The chair is ChrisPriceAB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:20 #info Julien 15:01:28 #info Chris Price 15:01:35 #topic roll call 15:01:54 #inf Chris Price 15:01:56 #info Uli Kleber (Huawei) 15:02:05 #info Chris Price 15:02:07 it's my first time to use irc, is there any voice? 15:02:13 #info Ashiq Khan (DOCOMO) 15:02:13 * ChrisPriceAB third times the charm. 15:02:19 not on IRC no. 15:02:20 julienjut, There is 15:02:30 #info Tapio Tallgren 15:02:46 TSC meeting information can be found at #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc?&#tsc_meeting_november_11_2014 15:02:49 julienjut, https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/798898261 15:03:04 you can join the goto meeting from there, or follow the link Dave posted 15:03:43 #info dlenrow 15:03:53 #info Bin 15:04:05 #chair dlenrow 15:04:05 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow 15:04:12 #topic roll call 15:04:14 #chair rpaik 15:04:14 Warning: Nick not in channel: rpaik 15:04:14 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow rpaik 15:04:20 #info Frank Brockners 15:04:30 #info Pranav Mehta 15:04:31 #info Wenjing Chu 15:05:11 #info palani 15:06:35 #topic minute approval 15:06:54 #topic approve previous minutes 15:07:25 #info Bryan Sullivan 15:08:09 #info Tapio asks for adjustment to minutes related to writeup of using CI tools 15:08:10 #info Tapio proposed changes to the action on himself for the previous minutes 15:08:33 #info postpone approval until we can correct 15:08:52 Comment on minutes: Tapio proposed to create a proposal to about how to use Git and Gerrit to review project proposals 15:09:04 #info pranav reminds that we need to get convo on agenda about top level project selection 15:09:49 #info wants TSC discussion about how we create top level project, subproject 15:10:23 #info CP suggests we wait until we have more projects in motion and learn what issues are. 15:10:29 #info Dirk Kutscher 15:11:00 #info fbrockners agrees this won't become issue until we have more mature projects 15:11:35 #info occurs later in our lifecycle 15:12:15 #info Uli points out we're building bottom up and may want to discuss some top-down soon 15:12:31 #info general agreement to defer 15:12:37 #topic agenda bashing 15:12:40 #topic agenda bashing 15:14:04 #info Chris reminds CI project is in public review and now is the time to contribute founding contributors/committers 15:16:09 #info discussion of SR and of linux distro will be added to agenda 15:16:22 #topic 2015 OPNFV event planning 15:17:11 #info Brandon outlines event possibilities, hackfests, etc., 15:17:30 Did anybody get details of their biweekly call and could #info 15:17:37 ?? 15:17:42 I can 15:17:50 provide it 15:17:57 #info ray___: Thx 15:18:20 #info Brandon describes the plan to develop a presence for OPNFV at key events during 2015 including MWC and the OPNFV Summit 15:18:23 #info Planning to improve tools to help remote folks participate 15:18:25 #info OPNFV marketing committee calls bi-weekly on Wednesdays at 7:30am PT 15:18:55 Next meeting is on Nov. 19th 15:19:01 #info describes plans for expanding presence at events 15:19:12 #info marketting events can include speakerships and panels at conferences and summits as well as OPNFV specific events 15:19:49 #info Plan to discuss event candidates at next mktg call 15:20:32 #info describes some collateral under development. Looking to have material to describe release. 15:20:54 I can't type that fast, Would love to see this on a wiki 15:21:42 #info Brandon has a sort of strawman roadmap he will show 15:22:14 #info Chris Wright 15:23:59 #info co-located events at OS Summit and SDN/NFV World congress next year 15:24:25 #action ray will send to mailing list 15:25:41 ray___, Is there generally a consultation around conference venues & dates with the OPNFV marketing committee, or does the Linux Foundation generally choose and just ask the board for approval? 15:26:10 #info discussion of tradeoffs evaluated in choosing some dates and venues. 15:30:15 #info lots of discussion about difficulty scheduling our summit in November-ish against existing cloud events 15:31:25 dlenrow, ray___ answered me in PM to let me know that there had been consultation with the marketing committee before asking for board & TSC approval 15:32:48 #info cwright asks "what are we trying to achieve at summit?" 15:33:49 #info discussion of attract devs versus announce release details vs. plan next release 15:33:50 By the end of next year we should have enough to talk about in one track. We may not have 2 tracks 15:35:12 #info summit + hackfest targetting 3-4 days, expect TSC and devs to do presos, etc. Many on this call will find value in both summit and hackfest 15:35:45 #info CP asks for folks to check calendars and find conflicts to help input into this difficult scheduling requirement 15:36:15 #info CP Hackfest in May at OS Summit seems to make lots of sense due to tight coupling of projects/communities 15:38:20 #info discussion of doodle poll or similar to zero in 15:39:49 #info we need to give poll responders a way to say why they cannot support a proposed date, so that major conflicts with other meetings e.g. IETF are clearer 15:41:26 #action Ray/Brandon to move this along offline so we can move on in agenda. To get poll out by end of week 15:41:40 #info CP asks TSC to provide feedback on summit dates. 15:42:12 #topic Project status 15:43:00 #info trevor updates: testing plan to come back to TSC next week with more detailed updae 15:43:49 #info lots of work items and volunteers to progress them across the four sub-areas identified within test 15:45:50 #info will propose infrastructure, platform characterization sub-projects, asks if this direction makes sense to TSC. 15:46:36 #info characterization 2 approaches, top-down VNF deployment test cases, or more traditional benchmarking approach. Both have owners working 15:46:43 what's the difference between hackfest and opnfv summit? it's my first time to hear about hackfest 15:47:30 #info telco use cases and carrier grade performance testing are driving this 15:47:55 #info 3 tracks top down, bottom up platform and then stability/reliability/perf testing 15:50:04 #info asks for guidance now toward preso next week and project proposals 15:50:18 Trevor_: have pointer to meetings, proposals, etc? 15:50:36 #info dlenrow suggests we need some finer breakdown of OPNFV project than a single massive/monolithic test project 15:50:58 #info CI update from ULI 15:51:26 Trevor_: i have someone who'd like to participate in the platform performance effort 15:51:43 #info CI still waiting for resource commitments on project proposal. Need to get moving. 15:51:50 Who is the point of contact in the group to speak about the test effort here ? 15:52:19 #info bin update on requirements and collaborative projects' 15:53:05 RK_, Uli Kleber (uli_) from Huawei is leading the CI project 15:53:11 #info several are announced and in public review window. Please read and familiarize yourself with these projects. Need feedback and contributors 15:53:26 for performance testing use cases - palani is the contact 15:53:49 thanks dneary !! 15:53:52 Trevor_: have pointer to meetings, proposals, etc? 15:53:54 Trevor_: i have someone who'd like to participate in the platform performance effort 15:54:13 dneary, leading the project sounds a little formal, we haven't elected project leads 15:54:56 #info CP points out that committer list is critical before approval meeting. 15:55:02 dlenrow, My apologies, I clearly need to understand the process better. Would it be more accurate to say he is the project lead sponsor, or initiator? 15:55:40 #info yes, I think those of us writing up stuff now as raporteurs/editors. 15:55:45 undo 15:55:47 #undo 15:55:47 Removing item from minutes: 15:55:56 doh! 15:56:37 #info discussion about getting reviews scheduled for projects coming out of public review stage. 15:56:56 #action CP to add some creation reviews to agenda for next TSC 15:58:39 #info Ashik asks for clarification of process. Process is sending email to TSC mail list starts two weeks, after two weeks founders can request by email to TSC a creation review 15:58:46 palani is the facilitator of the performance test cases - we are creating use cases and traffic models. 15:58:51 #topic 15:59:05 #topic OpenStack summit update 15:59:12 #topic OSTack Summit and design conference learnings 16:00:09 #info dneary reports lots of NFV sessions, panels, well attended, some booked simultaneous made it hard to cover all. 16:00:22 #info Thinh Nguyenphu 16:00:56 #info dneary will post some links to some of the sessions he considered most interesting and relevant 16:01:51 #info telco working group and NFV plans review both standing room only. dneary thinks dev community not fully sold on the value to them of supporting NFV use cases 16:02:17 #info congress session was helpful in terms of educating them about why they should care about NFV 16:03:02 #info dneary reports that other communities encouraging OPNFV to make sure test coverage of contributions is strong and included with proposals/blueprints 16:03:06 #info it would be great to get the materials from the congress/NFV session posted on the wiki or otherwise shared as this relates to the policy project we have proposed 16:04:27 #info openstack kilo M1 and M2 are critical dates for work proposed to support NFV 16:04:43 #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/kilo-nova-nfv NFV Nova blueprint review agenda and notes 16:06:10 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule for kilo_release_schedule 16:06:15 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-telco 16:06:21 #info dneary notes there are several new Open "SDN" projects midonet, ONOS, Akanda vying for relationship with NFV/OPNFV 16:06:32 (don't know if I have the permission to add links) 16:06:44 #info margaret asks what commitments we made against Openstack milestones 16:06:47 #chair dneary 16:06:47 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow dneary rpaik 16:06:52 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-telco 16:07:07 #info cdub points out that ian represented OPNFV and agreed we would respect their dates. 16:07:28 #info Trevor 16:07:51 #info cdub clarifies this is light-weight coupling with OStack, and shouldn't need a team 16:08:18 #info margaret reminds pranav volunteered for this area 16:08:23 #info "Developing OpenStack for NFV": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJ2du2UalA 16:08:40 #info CP suggests we need ian on call to finish discussion about whether we need a project, etc. 16:09:05 #info Test and Performance info on proposals and metings: https://wiki.opnfv.org/integration_testing_projects 16:09:06 #info "Demonstrating NFV on OpenStack": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxKKJBCDjE 16:09:17 #info cdub suggests we do real work upstream first because spinning up a project in OPNFV will have lead times 16:09:47 #topic action item status 16:10:46 #info fbrockners updates community began discussion last week about pro/con of various Linux distros for our CI/deployment work. 16:11:19 #info mike young started table (not much feedback yet) comparing pluses and minuses 16:11:42 #info and interesting link on the mailing list providing data on OpenStack and operating system: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-user-survey-insights-november-2014 16:13:28 #info uli describes difficulty is the dependencies that come with various distros. packaging tools tie to distros, etc. 16:14:14 #info uli reports CI can't move forward without a decision here. 16:17:34 #info dlenrow reminds that picking a fork/distro is a short term hack we agreed to get version 1 out the door. Long term goal is to have tooling to make upstream consumable 16:17:53 bryan_att, I don't believe we kept notes for the Congress session - it was rather ad hoc 16:18:03 is there any specified requirements for 3rd Party CI environment? 16:18:24 #info general agreement that this is a V1 decision not a roadmap plan. fbrockner suggests we do offline discussion/analysis to enable a descions at next TSC 16:19:52 #info CP aks who can take action to progress this 16:21:11 #info pals feels it is close to his sandbox work as well. He hasn't had good support for canonical and leans toward RH 16:22:12 #info aric suggest ODL has had good experience with vagrant images,may be targetted to avoid some of this sort of problem 16:23:41 #info Uli asks for two proposals to "bake off" at next TSC. Get a RH sponsor and an Ubuntu sponsor to describe a full stack proposal including linux distero and deploy tools 16:25:03 #info cdub points out there are entire companies devoted to this. Describes more of the complexity of the inter-dependencies in the "whole stack". 16:25:42 #info RH ready to help but needs some scope restriction so it's not open ended. cdub points out we've discussed much of this on CI calls 16:27:01 #info cdub talks about how RH has looked at lots of the stack inter-dependencies. Suggests we need more mix-and-match not two competing vertical stacks around linux distros 16:27:14 #info suggests OPNFV may need to build some tooling to support this 16:27:45 #info pals prefers centos/packstack based on his POC/proto work. 16:28:53 #info begin diverging into a debate about favorite stack configurations 16:29:18 If anyone is interested in joining a hangout tomorrow at 9am PST We are planning to discuss CI and Sandbox with lf's opendaylight admins, Just pm me. I have room for 6 more. 16:31:17 aric: please #info that so non-attendees can get the word 16:31:33 I think the starting point is what the requirements of the platform & deployment tools are for the CI project? Also, what will OPNFV ship as a download, if anything? 16:31:56 #info CP encourages us to finish this discussion to the lists because we need to decide at next TSC to unblock work items 16:32:44 #info Tapio suggests we work towards a wiki page with proposals to choose from on next call 16:33:42 #info aric clarifies that call tomorrow is not specifically focused on distro choice 16:34:12 #action palani will organize meeting and herd us towards a final discussion and decision on next call 16:34:43 i can play palani's backup 16:34:51 #action CP to add discuss/decide to agenda for next TSC 16:35:03 #topic SR plan 16:35:58 #info Dave identifies a matrix sent to the mail list as a point for discussion on the SR process 16:37:44 dlenrow: typical engineer... ;) 16:38:01 I have lost my laptop, while muted... 16:38:57 Thanks Frank! 16:39:16 #info CP has fallen and can't do audio. fbrockners steps in to Moderate 16:39:56 #topic aob 16:40:24 ray___: yes! and for future...default open 16:40:41 #info release name theme will be rivers as decided by poll last week 16:40:41 #info mailing list archives to be open to the public 16:41:34 #info revisit TSC call timing. Propose a rotating schedule to share the pain of off-hours attendance globally 16:42:28 #action dlenrow to schedule meeting this week to discuss SR strawman schedule and SR process proposals 16:42:54 Can I also suggest the radical approach of avoiding real-time meetings where possible? 16:43:07 this time is actually not reasonable for Aisa members 16:43:09 #info frank suggest a poll is the route to driving a decision. 16:45:15 #action ray to start a poll of community (not just TSC) on solution to call timing 16:46:03 I believe there is a value in having a fixed time to avoid confusion... 16:46:29 #info dku points out that alternating can be confusing 16:47:05 Agree to have a vote and after that the schedule will be fixed 16:47:08 #info update on planning next hackfest. Ray's view is venue is free and lots live close, there is no good reason not to take advantage 16:48:40 #info ray reminds that prague opportunity exists, but may have lead time issues due to ETSI liaison process. 16:49:27 #info M-P clarifies logistics and suggests formal colo could be approved at plenary next week if we move fast. She has drafted proposal/preso. 16:50:04 #info M-P clairifies she has drafted liaison proposal and is on agenda at plenary. 16:51:00 * ChrisPriceAB has now lost audio... Will check the irc for conclusions in this topic. 16:51:49 * ChrisPriceAB thanks Frank for stepping in. Thanks all for good discussions, next week looks to be a productive meeting. 16:53:17 #info problems with MP's voice line. Please summarize to IRC w/ #info... 16:55:19 #info margaret aware of members ready to send devs who feel it's hard to engage. We need to support/encourage them 16:56:03 #info fbrockner suggests we make a breakout room available at meetups to give devs a place to do implementation work in parallel with our work to bootstrap community 16:56:18 #info Chris Wright can you post your email address 16:56:34 #info mine is pals@cisco.com 16:56:39 #info fbrockner asks if there are any prohibitive costs or should we just plan to proceed 16:56:43 palani: yes, to where? 16:57:19 chris W: in the chat or you can mail it to me. 16:57:29 palani: chrisw@redhat.com 16:57:40 it's also on the invite that we just got 16:57:56 #info Ray reports we don't have a handle on potential cost. fbrockner suggests we continue this on the mail lists. 16:58:20 #info fbrockner points out we're only hearing a few opinions and wants wider input from community 16:58:46 #info cdub suggests we broadcast a call for input to community 16:59:51 #action ray to take to list, present prospect events/venues ask for input 17:00:11 #topic status of beginners guide 17:00:20 is Uli in charge of CI ? 17:00:45 julienjut: nobody "in charge" as such, he's point of contact 17:00:58 #endmeeting