========================= #opnfv-meeting: OPNFV TSC ========================= Meeting started by ChrisPriceAB at 15:01:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2014/opnfv-meeting.2014-11-11-15.01.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Julien (julienjut, 15:01:20) * Chris Price (ChrisPriceAB, 15:01:28) * roll call (ChrisPriceAB, 15:01:35) * Uli Kleber (Huawei) (uli_, 15:01:56) * Chris Price (ChrisPriceAB, 15:02:05) * Ashiq Khan (DOCOMO) (Ashiq, 15:02:13) * Tapio Tallgren (TapioT, 15:02:30) * dlenrow (dlenrow, 15:03:43) * Bin (bin_, 15:03:53) * roll call (dlenrow, 15:04:12) * Frank Brockners (frankbrockners, 15:04:20) * Pranav Mehta (Pranav, 15:04:30) * Wenjing Chu (Wenjing, 15:04:31) * palani (palani, 15:05:11) * minute approval (ChrisPriceAB, 15:06:35) * approve previous minutes (dlenrow, 15:06:54) * Bryan Sullivan (bryan_att, 15:07:25) * Tapio asks for adjustment to minutes related to writeup of using CI tools (dlenrow, 15:08:09) * Tapio proposed changes to the action on himself for the previous minutes (ChrisPriceAB, 15:08:10) * postpone approval until we can correct (dlenrow, 15:08:33) * pranav reminds that we need to get convo on agenda about top level project selection (dlenrow, 15:09:04) * wants TSC discussion about how we create top level project, subproject (dlenrow, 15:09:49) * CP suggests we wait until we have more projects in motion and learn what issues are. (dlenrow, 15:10:23) * Dirk Kutscher (dku, 15:10:29) * fbrockners agrees this won't become issue until we have more mature projects (dlenrow, 15:11:00) * occurs later in our lifecycle (dlenrow, 15:11:35) * Uli points out we're building bottom up and may want to discuss some top-down soon (dlenrow, 15:12:15) * general agreement to defer (dlenrow, 15:12:31) * agenda bashing (ChrisPriceAB, 15:12:37) * agenda bashing (dlenrow, 15:12:40) * Chris reminds CI project is in public review and now is the time to contribute founding contributors/committers (dlenrow, 15:14:04) * discussion of SR and of linux distro will be added to agenda (dlenrow, 15:16:09) * 2015 OPNFV event planning (dlenrow, 15:16:22) * Brandon outlines event possibilities, hackfests, etc., (dlenrow, 15:17:11) * ray___: Thx (dlenrow, 15:17:57) * Brandon describes the plan to develop a presence for OPNFV at key events during 2015 including MWC and the OPNFV Summit (ChrisPriceAB, 15:18:20) * Planning to improve tools to help remote folks participate (dlenrow, 15:18:23) * OPNFV marketing committee calls bi-weekly on Wednesdays at 7:30am PT (ray___, 15:18:25) * describes plans for expanding presence at events (dlenrow, 15:19:01) * marketting events can include speakerships and panels at conferences and summits as well as OPNFV specific events (ChrisPriceAB, 15:19:12) * Plan to discuss event candidates at next mktg call (dlenrow, 15:19:49) * describes some collateral under development. Looking to have material to describe release. (dlenrow, 15:20:32) * Brandon has a sort of strawman roadmap he will show (dlenrow, 15:21:42) * Chris Wright (cdub, 15:22:14) * co-located events at OS Summit and SDN/NFV World congress next year (dlenrow, 15:23:59) * ACTION: ray will send to mailing list (dlenrow, 15:24:25) * discussion of tradeoffs evaluated in choosing some dates and venues. (dlenrow, 15:26:10) * lots of discussion about difficulty scheduling our summit in November-ish against existing cloud events (dlenrow, 15:30:15) * cwright asks "what are we trying to achieve at summit?" (dlenrow, 15:32:48) * discussion of attract devs versus announce release details vs. plan next release (dlenrow, 15:33:49) * summit + hackfest targetting 3-4 days, expect TSC and devs to do presos, etc. Many on this call will find value in both summit and hackfest (dlenrow, 15:35:12) * CP asks for folks to check calendars and find conflicts to help input into this difficult scheduling requirement (dlenrow, 15:35:45) * CP Hackfest in May at OS Summit seems to make lots of sense due to tight coupling of projects/communities (dlenrow, 15:36:15) * discussion of doodle poll or similar to zero in (dlenrow, 15:38:20) * we need to give poll responders a way to say why they cannot support a proposed date, so that major conflicts with other meetings e.g. IETF are clearer (bryan_att, 15:39:49) * ACTION: Ray/Brandon to move this along offline so we can move on in agenda. To get poll out by end of week (dlenrow, 15:41:26) * CP asks TSC to provide feedback on summit dates. (dlenrow, 15:41:40) * Project status (dlenrow, 15:42:12) * trevor updates: testing plan to come back to TSC next week with more detailed updae (dlenrow, 15:43:00) * lots of work items and volunteers to progress them across the four sub-areas identified within test (dlenrow, 15:43:49) * will propose infrastructure, platform characterization sub-projects, asks if this direction makes sense to TSC. (dlenrow, 15:45:50) * characterization 2 approaches, top-down VNF deployment test cases, or more traditional benchmarking approach. Both have owners working (dlenrow, 15:46:36) * telco use cases and carrier grade performance testing are driving this (dlenrow, 15:47:30) * 3 tracks top down, bottom up platform and then stability/reliability/perf testing (dlenrow, 15:47:55) * asks for guidance now toward preso next week and project proposals (dlenrow, 15:50:04) * dlenrow suggests we need some finer breakdown of OPNFV project than a single massive/monolithic test project (dlenrow, 15:50:36) * CI update from ULI (dlenrow, 15:50:58) * CI still waiting for resource commitments on project proposal. Need to get moving. (dlenrow, 15:51:43) * bin update on requirements and collaborative projects' (dlenrow, 15:52:19) * several are announced and in public review window. Please read and familiarize yourself with these projects. Need feedback and contributors (dlenrow, 15:53:11) * CP points out that committer list is critical before approval meeting. (dlenrow, 15:54:56) * discussion about getting reviews scheduled for projects coming out of public review stage. (dlenrow, 15:56:37) * ACTION: CP to add some creation reviews to agenda for next TSC (dlenrow, 15:56:56) * Ashik asks for clarification of process. Process is sending email to TSC mail list starts two weeks, after two weeks founders can request by email to TSC a creation review (dlenrow, 15:58:39) * (dlenrow, 15:58:51) * OpenStack summit update (ChrisPriceAB, 15:59:05) * OSTack Summit and design conference learnings (dlenrow, 15:59:12) * dneary reports lots of NFV sessions, panels, well attended, some booked simultaneous made it hard to cover all. (dlenrow, 16:00:09) * Thinh Nguyenphu (Thinh_, 16:00:22) * dneary will post some links to some of the sessions he considered most interesting and relevant (dlenrow, 16:00:56) * telco working group and NFV plans review both standing room only. dneary thinks dev community not fully sold on the value to them of supporting NFV use cases (dlenrow, 16:01:51) * congress session was helpful in terms of educating them about why they should care about NFV (dlenrow, 16:02:17) * dneary reports that other communities encouraging OPNFV to make sure test coverage of contributions is strong and included with proposals/blueprints (dlenrow, 16:03:02) * it would be great to get the materials from the congress/NFV session posted on the wiki or otherwise shared as this relates to the policy project we have proposed (bryan_att, 16:03:06) * openstack kilo M1 and M2 are critical dates for work proposed to support NFV (dlenrow, 16:04:27) * LINK: http://etherpad.openstack.org/kilo-nova-nfv NFV Nova blueprint review agenda and notes (cdub, 16:04:43) * LINK: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule for kilo_release_schedule (julienjut, 16:06:10) * LINK: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-telco (dneary, 16:06:15) * dneary notes there are several new Open "SDN" projects midonet, ONOS, Akanda vying for relationship with NFV/OPNFV (dlenrow, 16:06:21) * margaret asks what commitments we made against Openstack milestones (dlenrow, 16:06:44) * LINK: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-telco (dneary, 16:06:52) * cdub points out that ian represented OPNFV and agreed we would respect their dates. (dlenrow, 16:07:07) * Trevor (Trevor_, 16:07:28) * cdub clarifies this is light-weight coupling with OStack, and shouldn't need a team (dlenrow, 16:07:51) * margaret reminds pranav volunteered for this area (dlenrow, 16:08:18) * "Developing OpenStack for NFV": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJ2du2UalA (dneary, 16:08:23) * CP suggests we need ian on call to finish discussion about whether we need a project, etc. (dlenrow, 16:08:40) * Test and Performance info on proposals and metings: https://wiki.opnfv.org/integration_testing_projects (Trevor_, 16:09:05) * "Demonstrating NFV on OpenStack": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxKKJBCDjE (dneary, 16:09:06) * cdub suggests we do real work upstream first because spinning up a project in OPNFV will have lead times (dlenrow, 16:09:17) * action item status (dlenrow, 16:09:47) * fbrockners updates community began discussion last week about pro/con of various Linux distros for our CI/deployment work. (dlenrow, 16:10:46) * mike young started table (not much feedback yet) comparing pluses and minuses (dlenrow, 16:11:19) * and interesting link on the mailing list providing data on OpenStack and operating system: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-user-survey-insights-november-2014 (ChrisPriceAB, 16:11:42) * uli describes difficulty is the dependencies that come with various distros. packaging tools tie to distros, etc. (dlenrow, 16:13:28) * uli reports CI can't move forward without a decision here. (dlenrow, 16:14:14) * dlenrow reminds that picking a fork/distro is a short term hack we agreed to get version 1 out the door. Long term goal is to have tooling to make upstream consumable (dlenrow, 16:17:34) * general agreement that this is a V1 decision not a roadmap plan. fbrockner suggests we do offline discussion/analysis to enable a descions at next TSC (dlenrow, 16:18:24) * CP aks who can take action to progress this (dlenrow, 16:19:52) * pals feels it is close to his sandbox work as well. He hasn't had good support for canonical and leans toward RH (dlenrow, 16:21:11) * aric suggest ODL has had good experience with vagrant images,may be targetted to avoid some of this sort of problem (dlenrow, 16:22:12) * Uli asks for two proposals to "bake off" at next TSC. Get a RH sponsor and an Ubuntu sponsor to describe a full stack proposal including linux distero and deploy tools (dlenrow, 16:23:41) * cdub points out there are entire companies devoted to this. Describes more of the complexity of the inter-dependencies in the "whole stack". (dlenrow, 16:25:03) * RH ready to help but needs some scope restriction so it's not open ended. cdub points out we've discussed much of this on CI calls (dlenrow, 16:25:42) * cdub talks about how RH has looked at lots of the stack inter-dependencies. Suggests we need more mix-and-match not two competing vertical stacks around linux distros (dlenrow, 16:27:01) * suggests OPNFV may need to build some tooling to support this (dlenrow, 16:27:14) * pals prefers centos/packstack based on his POC/proto work. (dlenrow, 16:27:45) * begin diverging into a debate about favorite stack configurations (dlenrow, 16:28:53) * CP encourages us to finish this discussion to the lists because we need to decide at next TSC to unblock work items (dlenrow, 16:31:56) * Tapio suggests we work towards a wiki page with proposals to choose from on next call (dlenrow, 16:32:44) * aric clarifies that call tomorrow is not specifically focused on distro choice (dlenrow, 16:33:42) * ACTION: palani will organize meeting and herd us towards a final discussion and decision on next call (dlenrow, 16:34:12) * ACTION: CP to add discuss/decide to agenda for next TSC (dlenrow, 16:34:51) * SR plan (dlenrow, 16:35:03) * Dave identifies a matrix sent to the mail list as a point for discussion on the SR process (ChrisPriceAB, 16:35:58) * CP has fallen and can't do audio. fbrockners steps in to Moderate (dlenrow, 16:39:16) * aob (ChrisPriceAB, 16:39:56) * release name theme will be rivers as decided by poll last week (dlenrow, 16:40:41) * mailing list archives to be open to the public (ChrisPriceAB, 16:40:41) * revisit TSC call timing. Propose a rotating schedule to share the pain of off-hours attendance globally (dlenrow, 16:41:34) * ACTION: dlenrow to schedule meeting this week to discuss SR strawman schedule and SR process proposals (dlenrow, 16:42:28) * frank suggest a poll is the route to driving a decision. (dlenrow, 16:43:09) * ACTION: ray to start a poll of community (not just TSC) on solution to call timing (dlenrow, 16:45:15) * dku points out that alternating can be confusing (dlenrow, 16:46:29) * update on planning next hackfest. Ray's view is venue is free and lots live close, there is no good reason not to take advantage (dlenrow, 16:47:08) * ray reminds that prague opportunity exists, but may have lead time issues due to ETSI liaison process. (dlenrow, 16:48:40) * M-P clarifies logistics and suggests formal colo could be approved at plenary next week if we move fast. She has drafted proposal/preso. (dlenrow, 16:49:27) * M-P clairifies she has drafted liaison proposal and is on agenda at plenary. (dlenrow, 16:50:04) * problems with MP's voice line. Please summarize to IRC w/ #info... (dlenrow, 16:53:17) * margaret aware of members ready to send devs who feel it's hard to engage. We need to support/encourage them (dlenrow, 16:55:19) * fbrockner suggests we make a breakout room available at meetups to give devs a place to do implementation work in parallel with our work to bootstrap community (dlenrow, 16:56:03) * Chris Wright can you post your email address (palani, 16:56:18) * mine is pals@cisco.com (palani, 16:56:34) * fbrockner asks if there are any prohibitive costs or should we just plan to proceed (dlenrow, 16:56:39) * Ray reports we don't have a handle on potential cost. fbrockner suggests we continue this on the mail lists. (dlenrow, 16:57:56) * fbrockner points out we're only hearing a few opinions and wants wider input from community (dlenrow, 16:58:20) * cdub suggests we broadcast a call for input to community (dlenrow, 16:58:46) * ACTION: ray to take to list, present prospect events/venues ask for input (dlenrow, 16:59:51) * status of beginners guide (dlenrow, 17:00:11) Meeting ended at 17:00:58 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * dlenrow * dlenrow to schedule meeting this week to discuss SR strawman schedule and SR process proposals * palani * palani will organize meeting and herd us towards a final discussion and decision on next call * **UNASSIGNED** * ray will send to mailing list * Ray/Brandon to move this along offline so we can move on in agenda. 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