14:59:12 <ChrisPriceAB> #startmeeting OPNFV TSC 14:59:12 <collabot> Meeting started Tue Nov 25 14:59:12 2014 UTC. The chair is ChrisPriceAB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59:12 <collabot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:59:30 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair rpaik 14:59:30 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik 14:59:44 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic roll call 14:59:55 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price 15:01:01 <trevor_intel> #info Trevor Cooper 15:01:15 <aricg> #info Aric Gardner 15:01:20 <bryan_att> #info Bryan Sullivan 15:02:05 <Wenjing> #info Wenjing Chu 15:02:29 <collabot> dlenrow: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 15:02:36 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow 15:02:42 <frankbrockners> #info Frank Brockners 15:02:57 <Pranav> #info Pranav Mehta 15:03:01 <Ashiq> #info Ashiq 15:03:06 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair dlenrow 15:03:06 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow rpaik 15:03:19 <uli___> #info Uli Kleber 15:03:43 <palani> #info palani 15:04:04 <julien_ZTE> #info Julien 15:04:49 <dlenrow> #topic approve minutes 15:05:30 <dlenrow> #info approved by lack of objection 15:05:44 <dlenrow> #topic agenda bashing 15:07:33 <dlenrow> #info events, board alternate, SR, are highlights 15:07:48 <dlenrow> #topic events 15:07:51 <bin_> #info Bin 15:08:05 <dlenrow> #info ray shares events table from wiki 15:08:14 <morgan_orange> #info Morgan 15:08:26 <margaret__> #info Margaret 15:08:30 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic proposed events for 2015 15:08:31 <dlenrow> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/start 15:08:49 * ChrisPriceAB oops sorry dave 15:08:49 <dlenrow> #info table is on wiki main page linked above 15:08:54 <cdub> #info Chris Wright 15:10:57 <dlenrow> #info events co-located with 2 x OpenStack Summit, ODL summit SDN/OF world congress, LF, ETSI, events 15:11:14 <dlenrow> #info OPNFV Summit Q4, USA, TBD 15:11:49 <dlenrow> #info Chris asks whether budget includes outreach beyond 4 x hackfests? 15:12:53 <dlenrow> #info discuss marketing, facitlities, food, etc, room at venue? Ray says this is in TSC budget, but can get help elsewhere in LF. 15:13:18 <dlenrow> #info OS Paris we didn't have OPNFV room/venue, we go vendor room time donated 15:13:49 <dlenrow> #info CP wants meetups and such to be covered as well to build community 15:15:00 <dlenrow> #info Ray/CP discuss Prague logistics. Expect some overlap with ETSI NFV #9 that same week. two day overlap? 15:18:38 <TapioTallgren> #info Tapio Tallgren 15:19:12 <cdub> who's on first? 15:20:06 <dlenrow> #info debate about overlap logistics. bryan_att doesn't want overlap to make participants choos 15:20:49 <dlenrow> #info ETSI doesn't start until Tuesday. Margaret__ suggests we get lots of work done for OPNFV on Monday and then some overlap tuesday. 15:21:09 <dlenrow> #info CP summarizes Mon/Tues appears to be best target for OPNFV hackfest 15:23:13 <dlenrow> #info Ray will try to target Monday/Tuesday. Less technical overlap. 15:24:44 <dlenrow> #info More concern about Tuesday/Friday AM Plenary. Calling this a personal choice. Too many competing issues later in week. 15:24:58 <bryan_att> #info we need to ensure there is remote attendance possible at the TSC meeting - when can we get confirmation of that - e.g. Ray to take an action item for that 15:25:14 <dlenrow> #action ray to setup registration to understand who plans to come. Work w/ ETSI to coordinate 15:25:34 <dlenrow> #info further event discussion to the lists 15:25:41 <dlenrow> #topic board alternate 15:26:00 <dlenrow> #info CP as chair is TSC contact to the board, attend BOD meetings 15:26:03 <dlenrow> @ 15:26:25 <bryan_att> #info the Board decided there were no alternates, I thought 15:26:29 <dlenrow> #info Board would like alternate for case where CP can't attend 15:27:38 <dlenrow> #info CP proposes fbrockners as board alternate. Asks what is process for selecting alternate 15:28:15 <dlenrow> #info Fbrockners reminds we discussed vice chair pre-creation and had no conclusion 15:28:47 <cdub> dlenrow: s/Fbrockners/Uli/ ^^^ 15:29:03 <frankbrockners> thanks chris 15:29:17 <cdub> *nod* ;) 15:29:21 <dlenrow> cdub: Thx. 15:29:38 <cdub> you can #undo and then redo #info 15:29:48 <dlenrow> #undo 15:29:48 <collabot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2be9790> 15:30:05 <dlenrow> #info uli reminds we discussed vice chair pre-creation and had no conclusion 15:30:29 <dlenrow> #info two approaches: discretion of TSC Chair, or TSC elects this person 15:31:17 <dlenrow> #info proposal Chair appoints, TSC vote approves 15:32:39 <TapioT> +1 15:32:46 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote Frank Brockners to fill the role of TSC representative "alternate" on the OPNFV Board 15:32:54 <cdub> ChrisPriceAB: startvote 15:32:58 <TapioT> +1 15:32:59 <ChrisPriceAB> #startvote Frank Brockners to fill the role of TSC representative "alternate" on the OPNFV Board 15:33:00 <osanchez> +1 15:33:05 <frankbrockners> +1 15:33:05 <dlenrow> #info CP formally recommends Frank Brockners 15:33:13 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1 15:33:13 <Ashiq> +1 15:33:16 <dlenrow> #vote +1 15:33:18 <cdub> and you need the +1, -1, 0 15:33:18 <osanchez> #vote +4 15:33:21 <Wenjing> #vote +1 15:33:22 <frankbrockners> #vote +1 15:33:23 <uli___> #vote +1 15:33:24 <TapioT> #vote +1 15:33:25 <cdub> osanchez: heh 15:33:27 <Pranav> #vote +1 15:33:27 <Ashiq> #vote +1 15:33:27 <osanchez> #vote +1 15:33:31 <dlenrow> got a +4, nice! 15:33:41 <ChrisPriceAB> #endvote 15:33:51 <osanchez> Sorry - typo - should I just -4? 15:33:57 <dlenrow> #info frank approved unanimously 15:34:16 <dlenrow> osanchez: just having fun :) 15:34:26 <Hui> vote +1 15:34:36 <dlenrow> #info clarify alternate attends if/when TSC chair can't attend BOD meeting 15:34:47 <dlenrow> #topic SR 15:35:58 <dlenrow> #info Uli requests CP share TSC report to BOD prior to next BOD Meeting next MOnday 15:36:12 <dlenrow> #action CP to share his report to BOD later this week 15:37:17 <dlenrow> #info Uli reports on Liaison letter from M-P to ETSI. Margaret_ clarifies we're just seeking Colo and don't need liaison for ETSI #9 15:37:50 <dlenrow> #info question as to whether HP/Prodip offered space to host at ETSI 15:39:26 <dlenrow> #info Susana clarifies ETSI is not formally interacting with OPNFV at Prague. Margaret_ clarifies separate registration and attendance for colocated events 15:39:47 <dlenrow> #info Susana reminds there are IPR issues related to formal joint-meetings 15:40:32 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Simultaneous release discussion 15:42:04 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Project Approvals 15:43:18 <dlenrow> #action dlenrow to schedule a SR meeting ASAP this week. Will give brief update of SR status if time allows at end of this 15:44:12 <dlenrow> #info CP clarifies that creating project and having project join SR are not the same process 15:44:37 <ChrisPriceAB> #info review of IPv6 project 15:44:41 <ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/ipv6-enabled_vanilla_opnfv 15:45:42 <dlenrow> #info Bin presents the IPV6 project 15:46:33 <dlenrow> #info project is gap analysis against upstreams and support for same. Define auto and manual config processes 15:47:52 <dlenrow> #info deliverables are installable package, install scripts/tools, and process documentation for manual configs 15:49:01 <dlenrow> #info suggests that gap analysis could be a phase 2 or another project 15:49:28 <dlenrow> #info Uli asks will scripts be upstreamed or live in OPNFV repo long term? 15:50:22 <dlenrow> #info answer will depend on ability to get things accepted upstream. Will evolve over time. Goal is upstream. 15:51:50 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow suggests we might want general scope to work on IPV6, rather than fine segmentation of IPV6 project work 15:52:41 <dlenrow> #info pals asks relationship to overall platform installer for OPNFV. Don't want proliferation of fine-grain installers 15:54:00 <dlenrow> #info bin says happy to integrate into higher level tools. Details TBD as part of project work products. 15:54:38 <dlenrow> #info pals suggests that for gaps found, we design integration via language (e.g. puppet) to be part of overall installer 15:55:25 <dlenrow> #info bin agrees. Approach is to find where is best to insert V6 gap coverage 15:56:24 <dlenrow> #info CP summarizes intent is to build an OPNFV that does V6 properly. Wants proposal to emphasize dependency base platform 15:57:32 <dlenrow> #info CP asks if integration and test the correct category to put in? Is it more of an upstream ? 15:57:49 <dlenrow> #info cdub also questions which category this belongs in 15:58:50 <dlenrow> #info bin says analysis needed to know how and where work will occur. Happy to switch category if there is strong recommendation 16:00:22 <dlenrow> #info CP says it feels like a requirements project. fbrockners explains why it is hard to categorize. Asks what is outcome? doc & reqs? or lots of tests and validation 16:00:32 <dlenrow> #info bin says goal is both 16:02:28 <dlenrow> #info CP asks about duration/life-cycle. Is this 3 mo effort or a bigger bucket of work with 3 mo. first increment? 16:03:01 <dlenrow> #info bin suggests expand scope to IPV6 for OPNFV overall. Not micro-segmented within V6 16:06:44 <dlenrow> #info plan to have a conditional vote to approve 16:06:56 <dlenrow> #startvote 16:09:05 <dlenrow> #info Not clear we can state exactly what conditional changes we are voting against. 16:09:17 <dlenrow> #info question of how/whether to approve now. 16:09:39 <dlenrow> #info CP wants to see changes before approving. 16:10:04 <dlenrow> #info proposal is to have final approval achieved after changes are agreed on list. Voting would occur on list. 16:11:05 <frankbrockners> isn't it typically #startvote <your text here> <your options> with <your options> something like -1, 0, 1 or yes, maybe, no? 16:11:49 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair fbrockners 16:11:49 <collabot> Warning: Nick not in channel: fbrockners 16:11:49 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow fbrockners rpaik 16:12:02 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair frankbrockners 16:12:02 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow fbrockners frankbrockners rpaik 16:12:20 <cdub> btw iirc dlenrow already typed #startvote, may need to end it 16:12:33 <frankbrockners> #startvote Approve IPV6 project? -1, 0, +1 16:12:40 <dlenrow> #info bin reports real-time changes to proposal on wiki. CP to start vote based on same. 16:12:46 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1 16:12:47 <cdub> #vote +1 16:12:50 <frankbrockners> #vote +1 16:12:53 <uli___> #vote +1 16:12:56 <TapioT> #vote +1 16:12:57 <Torsten__> #vote +1 16:12:57 <Ashiq> #vote +1 16:12:58 <dlenrow> #vote +1 16:13:03 <Hui> #startvote +1 16:13:03 <Wenjing> #vote +1 16:13:04 <Pranav> #vote +1 16:13:10 <Hui> #vote +1 16:13:11 <bryan_att> #vote +1 16:13:17 <frankbrockners> #endvote 16:13:20 <frankbrockners> #showvote 16:13:35 <cdub> didn't work, we are nested under dlenrow's #startvote 16:13:39 <dlenrow> #info Congratulations on being first approved project in OPNFV 16:13:52 <dlenrow> #info unanimous +1s from all who voted 16:14:35 <ChrisPriceAB> #action rpaik takes an action to ensure we are able to use voting on the meetbot moving forward 16:14:44 <dlenrow> #endvote 16:15:18 <dlenrow> #topic doctor project 16:18:13 <dlenrow> #info Ashik shares slide to describe project. Need to upload and #link. 16:18:42 <dlenrow> #action Ashiq to upload slides presented to TSC to OPNFV wiki 16:19:59 <Gerald> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/requirements_projects/doctor_fault_mangement_and_maintenance 16:20:30 <dlenrow> This appears to be compute (not e.g. storage or network) doctor/fault-handling. Need to clarify in Project Proposal? 16:20:30 <Gerald> everything is described in the Wiki page. 16:21:07 <dlenrow> then why are we looking at slides. If they're presented to TSC they need to be available to full community non-realtime 16:24:32 <dlenrow> #info describes plan to drive upstream changes via blueprints, etc. Will meet SR train post first release 16:31:18 <dlenrow> #info question about how this relates to the high availability project? Is there overlapping scope? 16:32:16 <dlenrow> #info Ashiq clarifies that scope is all faults, not just compute domain. DRL ask for this to be stated CLEARLY in project proposal. It's in there, but you have to look for it currently 16:33:20 <dlenrow> project proposals can include links to documents with lots of specific detail about how you might implement the scope, but the proposal is really about the scope, not the proposed implementation 16:33:42 <dlenrow> lots of good work in these docs, just to much information for project proposal wiki document 16:34:00 <dlenrow> too much information 16:34:25 <dlenrow> #info discussion of how to make HA and doctor complementary, etc. 16:36:25 <dlenrow> #info fbrockner suggests that we not try to restrict possible duplication this early in life-cycle 16:37:57 <dlenrow> #info qiao Fu wants to avoid overlap initially. 16:38:35 <dlenrow> #info uli suggests that project collaboration can clear up overlap issues 16:39:05 <dlenrow> #info Ashiq reminds we agreed to allow overlap in incubation projects at founding 16:39:30 <dlenrow> #info pals argues alignment and reuse. 16:42:24 <dlenrow> #info qiao Fu wants to avoid overlap initially. 16:44:16 <dlenrow> #info cdub has problems with 3-fold scope under single project. Expected some top-level, versus sub-project arrangement 16:46:07 <dlenrow> #info asks if we've departed from what some folks understood. 16:46:39 <dlenrow> #info suggestion is to do a requirements project around this and then derive implementation projects based on results 16:49:55 <dlenrow> #info CP suggests we try to approve a requirements project. 16:50:17 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow asks don't we need to see a draft of the modifications we are being asked to vote on? 16:51:18 <dlenrow> #info fbrockners suggests we get crisper on scope/motivation and try to avoid describing implementation to solve. 16:52:33 <dlenrow> #uli asks do all projects need a requirements project first to justify them? 16:52:44 <dlenrow> #info uli asks do all projects need a requirements project first to justify them? 16:53:09 <dlenrow> #info CP says not this is result of broad scope of doctor in current form. 16:53:28 <dlenrow> #info CP asks can we vote now or need to defer? 16:54:28 <dlenrow> #info Ashiq wants to know if he is prevented from making project with upstreams until project is approved 16:54:55 <dlenrow> #info cdub suggests that process should not be allowed to slow such work and upstream discussions. 16:56:17 <dlenrow> #info Ashiq offers to edit proposal to describe a requirements project for future approval. Can do project work in parallel 16:58:48 <dlenrow> #info cdub suggests subcommittee/interrum-forum to prepare a proposal to bring to next TSC for process for working through lifecycle in OPNFV 16:59:49 <dlenrow> #action cdub to mail list and invite folks to work on life-cycle proposal 17:01:51 <TapioT> Bye! 17:52:11 <rpaik> #endmeeting