15:01:36 <ChrisPriceAB> #startmeeting OPNFV TSC
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15:01:46 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Roll Call
15:02:02 <dku> #info Dirk Kutscher
15:02:04 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price
15:02:16 <dneary> Hi all
15:02:24 <bryan_att> #info Bryan Sullivan
15:02:31 <dneary> #info Dave Neary
15:02:39 <dneary> Pretty sure cdub will be here today
15:02:54 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow
15:03:11 <frankbrockners> #info Frank Brockners
15:03:18 <dneary> The moment is gone...
15:03:26 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair rpaik
15:03:26 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik
15:03:39 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair dlenrow
15:03:39 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow rpaik
15:03:44 <hui> #info Hui
15:03:48 <dneary> How many of you are in person in Prague?
15:03:49 <ChrisPriceAB> #dneary
15:04:37 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair dneary
15:04:37 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dlenrow dneary rpaik
15:05:00 <dlenrow> topic agenda bashing
15:05:11 <dlenrow> #topic agenda bashing
15:05:43 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Approval of previous minutes
15:05:43 <tapio__> #info Tapio Tallgren
15:05:49 <dlenrow> #info minutes approved due to lack of opposition
15:05:52 <ChrisPriceAB> #agree previous minutes approved
15:06:02 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Agenda Bashing
15:08:27 <dlenrow> #agreed Will hold TSC call at regular time next week with whomever can attend
15:09:05 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Meet-up/Hackfest Summary
15:09:14 <cdub> #info Chris Wright
15:09:28 * ChrisPriceAB welcome
15:09:49 <dlenrow> #info two meetups in last week. Prague hackfest was most well attended inaugural hackfest of any LF project so far
15:11:05 <rpaik> #info lots of discussion on working with upstream communities and requirements projects
15:11:06 <dlenrow> #3 buckets of discussion 1) how to work upstream 2) release 1 logistics/timeline 3) project F2F and present to hackfest audience
15:11:20 <dlenrow> #info #3 buckets of discussion 1) how to work upstream 2) release 1 logistics/timeline 3) project F2F and present to hackfest audience
15:12:12 <dlenrow> #info Chris P: collab summit was good cross-community discussion, hackfest has been good intra-OPNFV discussion
15:12:51 <dlenrow> #action ray will create wiki entry to summarize the two meetup events
15:12:51 <rpaik> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/events/hackfestfeb23-2015
15:13:28 <frankbrockners> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/events/meetupfeb19-2015
15:13:34 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic OPNFV Release 1 discussion
15:15:03 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Uli outlines the CI activity including the enkins environment and jobs structure
15:15:29 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Ready to begin to integrate toward scripts in BGS and functest
15:16:25 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Frank describes the demo's in the previous two weeks including Foreman & Fuel deployment tools and current status
15:17:02 <ChrisPriceAB> #info each project is approaching the needed functionality but with existing gaps across all projects at this time
15:26:30 <dneary> #question from dlenrow: Why are there multiple installers? Shouldn't we choose one?
15:26:46 * ChrisPriceAB thanks dave
15:27:12 <tapio__> @dneary: +1
15:27:12 <collabot> tapio__: Error: "dneary:" is not a valid command.
15:27:39 <dneary> #info frankbrockners says people have preferences for multiple installers, and picking one will lead to inevitable discussions of why the other one was chosen
15:28:11 <dneary> #info ChrisPriceAB points out that the people working on Foreman won't start working on Fuel if it is picked as the "official" one and vice versa
15:29:24 <ChrisPriceAB> #info not that we intend to have an "official" one.
15:31:03 <dneary> #info dneary asked why the installer is in scope, since it is not part of the VIM. dlenrow replied that pure upstream are not consumable, and that is a problem we need to fix. ChrisPriceAB added that we're talking about the deployment pipeline, which is a requirement for deploying the platform and testing VNFs
15:32:46 <dlenrow> #info discussion of why we are pursuing 3 installers (and only one of everything else) for rel 1.0. Need more progress to know which of these may be included in rel 1.0
15:34:13 <dlenrow> #info discussed release timing. Key milestone is availability of LF hardware lab. Mid March is expected. Will need several weeks after availability of hardware for release.
15:34:39 <cdub> dneary: foreman team
15:34:42 <rpaik> #info Target date for OPNFV hardware @LF lab is March 15th
15:34:48 <cdub> dneary: trozet or dradez
15:35:08 <dneary> Misheard "performance"
15:36:07 <rpaik> #info we need deployment tools around March 15th, but this could be a challenge
15:36:45 <dlenrow> #info ChrisP proposed 6 weeks (plus easter week) after HW available to be able to pull release together. That lands on April 23
15:38:18 <rpaik> #info ChrisP noted that intention is to maintain 6 month cadence for releases
15:39:36 <ChrisPriceAB> #info dlenrow asks about the impact of not hitting our target dates
15:40:05 <ChrisPriceAB> #info HKirksey answers that we should strive to demonstrate our ability to meet our targets
15:41:28 <ulik> #info Uli Kleber
15:42:28 <Ashiq> #info Ashiq Khan
15:44:17 <rpaik> #info deployment tool chain is a critical item, and we would not necessarily gain anything by focusing only on one particular installer
15:48:36 <rpaik> you have to repeat the questions
15:54:49 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Frank outlines that the deployment toolchains need to be fully automated and none of the current approaches has done that yet.
15:55:55 <dneary> #info frankbrockners asks what are the expectations outside of OPNFV and how much do we care about disappointing people
15:56:06 * ChrisPriceAB :D
15:57:08 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Don Clarke adds that it is vitally important we build momentum on implementation in the area of NFV
15:57:30 <ChrisPriceAB> #info CableLabs intends to consume the OPNFV platform
15:58:54 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Hui indicates China Mobile would like to use OPNFV release 1 for deployment of a PoC in July
16:01:03 <rpaik> #info Comments that even if it’s not feature-rich (e.g. missing HA), having an early release maybe preferred.
16:04:34 <ChrisPriceAB> #info April 23rd is the currently discussed release date for OPNFV release 1
16:05:05 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Mike asks if there is a concrete date on the definition of the target configuration.
16:05:27 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Frank answers that a concrete date can be provided.
16:07:55 <dneary> Can we start working on defining the Tempest test suite in parallel to the automation and Jenkinsisation?
16:08:26 <ChrisPriceAB> Yes we can and we will do tha.
16:08:27 <ChrisPriceAB> t
16:08:45 <ChrisPriceAB> In parallel:  CI - BGS - FuncTest
16:09:16 <ChrisPriceAB> we discussed the intersect points today f2f and came out with some key items which we are discussing now
16:09:41 <dneary> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/opendaylight_quickstack_guide
16:10:45 <dneary> Agreed
16:11:27 <dneary> ChrisPriceAB, How do we expose what's happening in the Ericsson and Intel labs outside the firewall? Exposing port 80 of the Horizon host would be progress
16:12:03 <ChrisPriceAB> dneary: We are trying :D
16:12:15 <dneary> I feel your frustration
16:13:02 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Heather asks for TSC members to comment on the proposed release date
16:13:22 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Uli indicates the risk is fundamentally associated with BGS
16:13:45 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Frank indicates each of the BGS teams would like more time
16:14:43 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Frank counter proposes with April 30th
16:14:44 <rpaik> #info BGS team would feel more comfortable with a TARGET date of April 30th
16:16:05 <ChrisPriceAB> #info cdub explains that OpenStack intends to deliver on April 30th.
16:16:47 <dneary> OpenStack does not release late, they have the time-based release process down pat - they will release on April 30th.
16:17:05 <dneary> ChrisPriceAB, On multiple fronts!
16:17:16 <dneary> We will get lost in their news cycle
16:24:08 * dneary raises hand
16:25:03 * cdub has to drop
16:25:10 * ChrisPriceAB thanks chris
16:25:11 * cdub passes proxy to dneary
16:25:23 <dneary> Thanks cdub
16:25:37 <cdub> cheers folks.  pick date from hat... ;)
16:25:42 <ChrisPriceAB> :D
16:25:59 * dneary wants to point out that "the marketing guys" can't work magic - we need to know what before we pick when
16:26:54 <dneary> ChrisPriceAB, I like the frame of "participation vehicle"
16:28:23 <dneary> #info (inaudible) asks: what do we want users to do with the first release?
16:28:51 * ChrisPriceAB Prodip
16:28:53 <dneary> #info ChrisPriceAB: We want people to experiment, give an opportunity to participate
16:29:02 <dneary> "undo
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16:29:21 <dneary> #info Prodip asks: what do we want users to do with the first release?
16:29:25 <dneary> #info ChrisPriceAB: We want people to experiment, give an opportunity to participate
16:29:37 <dneary> Follow on question to this: what is the audience?
16:30:37 <dneary> #info "People need to be able to install the platform" - missing VNFs is OK, but need to be able to install the core platform
16:31:46 <dneary> frankbrockners, At least 48h
16:31:52 <dneary> A news cycle is about 2 days
16:31:52 * ChrisPriceAB lol
16:32:46 <dneary> For a big conference, you see people send out their news 2 days before the conference to "steal the thunder" and get people talking about your thing at the start of the conference
16:33:18 <rpaik> May 5-8 is the NFV world congress
16:38:18 <dneary> Just to point out, our opportunity for scope reduction is more in the domain of target audience than in functional scope - if we restrict our target audience to engineers working for CSPs, NEPs so that they can see what it looks like and start helping get performance metrics from VNFs, we make it easier for ourselves (no Vagrant, don't worry about running in VMs, we can assume a baseline of expertise, etc)
16:39:02 <dneary> The only other functional scope reductions are "have it 100% automated" and "support HA for the platform"
16:49:57 <AndreaP> #vote +1
16:50:03 <frankbrockners> #vote -1
16:50:04 <Mike_Lynch> #vote +1
16:50:06 <bryan_att> #vote +1
16:50:07 <tapio__> #vote +1
16:50:12 <ChrisPriceAB> #startvote To set a target date for release 1 of OPNFV at April 23rd 2015? (+1, 0 ,-1)
16:50:12 <collabot> Begin voting on: To set a target date for release 1 of OPNFV at April 23rd 2015? Valid vote options are , +1, 0, -1, .
16:50:12 <collabot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
16:50:12 <dlenrow> #vote +1
16:50:15 <frankbrockners> #vote -1
16:50:16 <bryan_att> #vote +1
16:50:19 <tapio__> #vote +1
16:50:21 <AndreaP> #vote +1
16:50:26 <Mike_Lynch> #vote +1
16:50:28 <ulik> #vote -1
16:50:28 <Ashiq> #vote +1
16:50:31 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1
16:50:40 <rprakash__> #vote 0
16:50:42 <joekidder> #vote -1
16:50:44 <HKirksey> #vote +1
16:50:48 <HKirksey> On behalf of Susana
16:51:14 <dneary> #vote +1
16:51:28 <dneary> ChrisPriceAB, ulik voted -1
16:51:29 <ChrisPriceAB> #endvote
16:51:29 <collabot> Voted on "To set a target date for release 1 of OPNFV at April 23rd 2015?" Results are
16:51:29 <collabot> 0 (1): rprakash__
16:51:29 <collabot> +1 (9): AndreaP, dneary, dlenrow, bryan_att, ChrisPriceAB, Mike_Lynch, tapio__, Ashiq, HKirksey
16:51:29 <collabot> -1 (3): frankbrockners, joekidder, ulik
16:51:47 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Hui voted +1 by voice proxy
16:51:54 <ChrisPriceAB> #info +1 (10)
16:51:58 <dneary> Ah, Hui, not Uli. Phone is hard
16:54:41 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic OPNFV Release 1 naming
16:54:54 <ChrisPriceAB> #info The release naming theme to be applied is rivers
16:55:59 <dneary> ChrisPriceAB, Didn't we say alphabetical?
16:56:00 <rpaik> #action Ray to send email to mailing list for candidate release names
16:57:01 <ChrisPriceAB> dneary haven't really established the "plan" for naming
16:57:08 <dneary> OK
16:57:24 <ChrisPriceAB> #endmeeting