13:59:35 <ChrisPriceAB> #startmeeting OPNFV TSC
13:59:35 <collabot> Meeting started Tue Sep  8 13:59:35 2015 UTC.  The chair is ChrisPriceAB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:59:43 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Roll call
13:59:50 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Chris Price
14:00:01 <uli-k> #info Uli Kleber
14:00:07 <julien_ZTE> #info Julien
14:00:12 <dduffey> #info David Duffey
14:00:14 <chenshuai> #info chenshuai
14:00:23 <hongbotian> #info hongbo
14:00:33 <pbandzi> #info Peter Bandzi (on behalf of Frank Brockners)
14:00:44 <bryan_att> #info bryan Sullivan
14:01:40 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Approval of previous minutes of meeting.
14:02:01 <GeraldK> #info Gerald Kunzmann (DOCOMO)
14:02:03 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Agenda bashing
14:02:15 <ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc Todays agenda
14:02:29 <GeraldK> proxy for Ashiq
14:02:58 <dku> #info Dirk Kutscher
14:03:55 <Wenjing> #info Wenjing Chu
14:04:09 <Tapio_T> #info Tapio Tallgren
14:04:13 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic TSC & committer elections
14:04:27 <ChrisPriceAB> #info two nominations have been received for TSC chariperson.
14:04:47 <ChrisPriceAB> #info rpaik will open the voting which will be open until the 15th of September
14:05:10 <ChrisPriceAB> #info Committer elections have required some clarification of the committer list
14:05:36 <dlenrow> #info dlenrow
14:05:38 <ChrisPriceAB> #info rpaik proposes to postpone the committer board election by one week to allow for the clarifications to be accomodated
14:05:42 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair rpaik
14:05:42 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik
14:06:04 <ChrisPriceAB> #info rpaik will start the election process for the committers next week.
14:06:17 <ChrisPriceAB> #info one nomination has been received, more nominations should be sent to rpaik
14:06:52 <ChrisPriceAB> #info uli asks every-one to review the list and send comments to rpaik
14:07:20 <ChrisPriceAB> #chair dneary
14:07:20 <collabot> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB dneary rpaik
14:08:07 <ildikov> couldn't this be done on gerrit or any other acces control system we use?
14:08:29 <ildikov> ... long term I mean
14:08:32 <ChrisPriceAB> #info heather clarifies that the canonical committer list is stored in the INFO file in the project repositories
14:08:46 <rpaik> we now have a quorum
14:08:56 <ChrisPriceAB> thanks ray
14:12:30 <ChrisPriceAB> #info dneary expresses an intent to propose a change to the bylaws for future elections
14:12:52 <dlenrow> +10000000, code is not the only coin of the realm
14:13:52 <bryan_att> The metric needs to be contribution through Gerrit reviews (submission and participation), and may need to have some minimum bar to be a viable criteria.
14:14:33 <RayNugent_> #info Dave Neary asks in committer is not the right metric for election. It disenfranchises people who contribute to the project. OPNFV is not a source code project
14:14:52 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Managing the communities proliferation of project meetings
14:15:31 <ChrisPriceAB> #info dneary states real time meetings are not a productive method to apply in open source projects.
14:15:53 <ChrisPriceAB> #info dneary states an interest to see that he would like to see more of our activities done asynchronously.
14:17:20 <rpaik> #info dneary adds that many OPNFV meetings are not timezone friendly and can disenfranchise people
14:17:33 <ChrisPriceAB> #info promotes the idea of moving away from weekly meetings
14:18:23 <rpaik> #info tnadeau adds that many meetings are also overlapping
14:18:38 <ChrisPriceAB> #info tnadeau raises the challenge of trying to attend simultaneous meetings.  Indicating IRC may be more effective for handling many OPNFV topics.
14:19:21 <dku> I got disconnected from GotoMeeting...
14:19:59 <dfarrell07> Why would IRC not be available to anyone? (idk who's talking)
14:20:04 <GeraldK> lost the last 5 minutes. lost audio from GTM
14:21:02 <dku> now back
14:21:45 <rpaik> #info RayNugent adds that IRC may not be available to everyone (restrictions in some countries/companies)
14:22:23 <julien_ZTE> #info Julien
14:23:17 <ildikov> in OPenStack we have weekly meetings for all projects and we use IRC only
14:23:42 <ThomasNadeau> We might want to ask why member companies (via he Board perhaps) refuse to let people participate in open source projects using open source tools - or worse, fire them.   This seems "odd" to me.
14:23:46 <ildikov> so the question is whether we have issues with the real time aspect or the media we are using
14:24:37 <ildikov> I think weekly meetings help in keeping things moving and disussing issues the project is facing with
14:25:00 <ildikov> if we cancel these then people will do it in back channels as opposed to publicly
14:25:21 <ildikov> ... or just simply in a less organized way, which will be hard to follow and join for new comers
14:25:30 <RayNugent_> Tom, while that seems logical, practically speaking it's not feasible. Some issues are corporate, some are country issues.
14:25:31 <ildikov> dneary: ^^^
14:26:07 <dneary> My suggestion was to put a list of meetings together which we recommend to cancel, and then give people the opportunity to argue to keep their meetings
14:26:14 <RayNugent_> +1 ildikov
14:27:08 <ildikov> dneary: and in OpenStack we have also participants from China, so there should be a solution for IRC also
14:27:27 <ThomasNadeau> and OpenStack has %100 virtual meetings, right?
14:27:35 <GeraldK> i think online meetings are sometimes required/preferred, but projects should provide meeting meetings, update the Wiki, etc...
14:27:44 <RayNugent_> Perhaps we can give the PTLs the "option" to go to IRC exclusively rather than create a conga line for the guillotine
14:28:22 <ThomasNadeau> the default for PTLs is that they MUST have an IRC-based meeting with optional audio, at a min.
14:28:29 <ThomasNadeau> that at least helps move the ball in the right direction
14:28:33 <bryan_att> We need to let projects describe what the needs of their particular project is at this time for realtime meetings. Some projects are at early stages in which realtime meetings are beneficial or maybe essential.
14:28:35 <ildikov> GeraldK: I think we could try IRC only
14:28:42 <GeraldK> i agree to Ildiko, already several projects are working mainly in back channels
14:28:46 <bjskerry> also depends at what phase the project is... need meetings at start to get people on the same page, then need should drop off if we are doing the right things
14:29:04 <dneary> ildikov, I take the point - there is definitely a risk of falling into a clique of people who work together but that happens with real-time meetings too
14:29:11 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Community lab Pharos integration and CI processes report/discussion
14:29:41 <ChrisPriceAB> #info uli-k indicates activity is ongoing around the use of Pharos labs in octopus
14:29:57 <ThomasNadeau> Under the auspices of doing what we say, i am dropping the audio portion of the TSC call and will continue here on IRC.
14:29:59 <ChrisPriceAB> #info uli-k states there is a need for representation for the pharos lab representatives in the pharos meetings.
14:30:05 <ildikov> dneary: without those meetings things will more easily fall apart IMHO and believe me, I'm not a meeting addict
14:30:29 <ChrisPriceAB> ThomanNadeau, I will need help scribing....
14:30:29 <dneary> ildikov, We do have quarterly in-person sync points too through the hackfests
14:30:34 <ildikov> dneary: so I think we should more try to figure out how to do it better rather than don't do it at all
14:30:35 <ChrisPriceAB> s not n...
14:30:43 <bryan_att> E.g. As part of the committee cleanup effort for Copper I will propose that that the bi-weekly meeting we hold (lightly attended generally) be made on-demand. I'll let the project supporters weigh in on that for a week before a decision is made.
14:31:09 <dneary> ildikov, And debra's release planning meeting, where she will track whether projects are on track or not
14:31:10 <ildikov> dneary: but travel is even less available than IRC
14:31:14 <ChrisPriceAB> #info trevor_intel states pharos participation has been addressed as a secondary activity up until now.
14:31:25 <dneary> ildikov, I agree
14:31:42 <ChrisPriceAB> #info trevor_intel would like to see more community focus and direction around pharos planning and lab federation
14:31:52 <dneary> Some projects will need meetings - they should be as needed, rather than regularly planned, IMHO
14:31:58 <ildikov> dneary: and Debra's meeting is for keeping the release together and for finding solution to impediments, for which the meetings can be used for
14:32:13 <ChrisPriceAB> as a point of interest, there are free HTTP IRC clients so it should not be an issue to access IRC.
14:32:31 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: +1
14:33:01 <ChrisPriceAB> #info uli-k requests all TSC members who have labs involved in Pharos should ensure the labs are represented in pharos
14:34:51 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic OPNFV release, artifact discussion
14:34:53 <dneary> ChrisPriceAB, Postpone
14:34:58 <ChrisPriceAB> #info postponed until next week
14:35:04 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic OPNFV Support review and next steps
14:36:39 <dneary> ildikov, debra's meeting has a request/requirement to submit progress weekly in email, if people are doing that I think that may well be sufficient to align ppl inside projects
14:36:54 <rpaik> #info ChrisPriceAB notes that many requests/questions have been answered within a day by 2 people on the opnfv-users mailing list.  This is probably not scalable.
14:37:26 <dku> GotoMeeting is treating me badly today, trying to re-connect -- we need to have more asynchronous meetings...
14:37:27 <dneary> ildikov, I'm aware this isn't a simple topic, and there isn't one 100% right answer - I think we can mitigate the worst ills
14:37:34 <dneary> dku, :-)
14:38:24 <ildikov> dku: yeap, I would prefer IRC too ;)
14:38:32 <rpaik> #info bryan_att adds that conversations/resolutions also need to be distilled somewhere
14:39:13 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Project creation review project ARMBand
14:39:25 <ildikov> dneary: I guess you will send info/follow up mails to the list, so let's continue the discussion there
14:39:26 <debra> IRC works for some level of note taking but I find greater value in the audio discussions
14:39:36 <ChrisPriceAB> #info bob outlines the goal of ARMBand is to integrate and support the use of ARM in the Brahmaputra release
14:39:58 <ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_proposals/armband armband project proposal
14:40:24 <GeraldK> dku, try to dial in via phone. i also have issues with GTM today but phone line is quite good
14:40:40 <ChrisPriceAB> #info the project has identified a number of OPNFV project they will need to work with including CI & deploy projects amongst others
14:40:56 <ChrisPriceAB> #info the project also intend to integrate an ARM based lab into pharos
14:41:31 <ChrisPriceAB> #info ramki asks if the scope is around servers or edge devices
14:41:45 <ChrisPriceAB> #info bob answers primarily around servers at this point
14:44:48 <ThomasNadeau> debra - the conversations need to be transcribed anyways, so we keep accurate meeting minutes.
14:45:57 <debra> ThomasNadeau yes, agree. However the IRC only meetings miss some context of the conversations as people abbreviate in writing.
14:46:20 <ChrisPriceAB> it is worth noting, we are time bound for Brahmaputra, thus if a project cannot make it they will need to participate in future releases.  :)
14:47:30 <mlynch> #info Mike_Lynch
14:48:23 <rpaik> #info Uli requests to have committers updated under “Key Facts” section
14:48:32 <ChrisPriceAB> #startvote TSC vote to create the ARMBand project? (-1, 0, +1)
14:48:32 <collabot> Begin voting on: TSC vote to create the ARMBand project? Valid vote options are , -1, 0, +1, .
14:48:32 <collabot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:48:35 <bryan_att> #vote +1
14:48:36 <dlenrow> #vote +1
14:48:37 <uli-k> #vote +1
14:48:37 <dneary> #vote +1
14:48:38 <julien_ZTE> #vote +1
14:48:39 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1
14:48:39 <Wenjing> #vote +1
14:48:40 <Tapio_T> #vote +1
14:48:41 <ramki> +1
14:48:43 <bjskerry> #vote 0
14:48:45 <ThomasNadeau> #vote +1
14:48:50 <dneary> proxy for cdub, who is in a plane
14:48:52 <dku> #vote 0
14:49:01 <ChrisPriceAB> #endvote
14:49:01 <collabot> Voted on "TSC vote to create the ARMBand project?" Results are
14:49:01 <collabot> 0 (2): dku, bjskerry
14:49:01 <collabot> +1 (9): dneary, dlenrow, bryan_att, ChrisPriceAB, ThomasNadeau, Tapio_T, uli-k, julien_ZTE, Wenjing
14:49:13 <ThomasNadeau> ChrispriceAB - precisely. RE: projects committing
14:49:38 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic Project creation review of the Pinpoint project.
14:50:48 <ChrisPriceAB> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/pinpoint/pinpoint_project_proposal pinpoint project proposal
14:52:49 <ChrisPriceAB> #info the pinpoint project will focus on fault correlation on the OPNFV platform
14:55:50 <ChrisPriceAB> #startvote TSC vote to create the pinpoint project? (-1, 0, +1)
14:55:50 <collabot> Begin voting on: TSC vote to create the pinpoint project? Valid vote options are , -1, 0, +1, .
14:55:50 <collabot> Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:55:52 <rpaik> #info uli-k extends an invitation to others to join the project
14:55:52 <uli-k> #vote +1
14:55:53 <dlenrow> #vote +1
14:56:09 <bjskerry> #vote +1
14:56:10 <ChrisPriceAB> #vote +1
14:56:14 <pbandzi> #vote +1
14:56:16 <dneary> #vote +1
14:56:17 <bryan_att> #vote +1
14:56:27 <Wenjing> #vote +1
14:56:33 <Tapio_T> #vote +1
14:56:54 <ramki> #vote +1
14:57:05 <ChrisPriceAB> #endvote
14:57:05 <collabot> Voted on "TSC vote to create the pinpoint project?" Results are
14:57:05 <collabot> +1 (10): dneary, dlenrow, bryan_att, ChrisPriceAB, pbandzi, ramki, Tapio_T, uli-k, bjskerry, Wenjing
14:57:44 <ChrisPriceAB> #topic AoB
15:00:19 <ChrisPriceAB> #endmeeting