17:01:22 <ildikov> #startmeeting Project lifecycle review part 2 17:01:22 <collabot> Meeting started Tue Sep 8 17:01:22 2015 UTC. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:22 <collabot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:22 <collabot> The meeting name has been set to 'project_lifecycle_review_part_2' 17:02:19 <ildikov> Hi, anyone around for the review meeting? 17:03:25 <RayNugent_> #info Ray Nugent 17:03:46 <ildikov> #info Ildiko Vancsa 17:03:52 <ildikov> hi Ray 17:04:15 <ildikov> I have some issues around GTM, in contact with Chris to fix it 17:05:29 <lmcdasm> #info Daniel Smith 17:05:35 <bryan_att> is there a GTM? 17:05:37 <RayNugent_> ok, i was going to ask :-) 17:05:54 <bryan_att> #info Bryan Sullivan 17:05:55 <RayNugent_> Brian, it seems to be broken at the moment 17:06:07 <ildikov> I cannot start, my laptop does not support and I asked Chris as we are reusing the TSC channel 17:06:10 <bin_> #info Bin Hu 17:06:19 <ildikov> but Chris has some issues with starting the meeting it seems 17:06:37 <bin_> I can start the GotoMeeting 17:07:04 <ildikov> bin_: that would be great 17:07:29 <bin_> I got an erro - I am not the organizer, sorry 17:07:50 <bin_> I seems a different GotoMeeting from what we projects usually use 17:08:05 <ildikov> hmm 17:08:27 <ildikov> bin_: we can use another channel if you have 17:08:48 <bin_> or you can use mine https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/599078381 / +1-773-945-1031x599078381# 17:09:55 <ildikov> bin_: ok, let's use that one 17:10:05 <bin_> I started it, feel free to join 17:10:20 <lmcdasm> got a message "GTM is expericing tech difficulites trying to connect into yours bin" 17:11:17 <bin_> try again. Ildiko and Bryan have joined 17:12:02 <lmcdasm> in 17:12:05 <lmcdasm> thx 17:14:43 <ildikov> #chair bin_ 17:14:43 <collabot> Current chairs: bin_ ildikov 17:15:41 <bin_> #info This the followup meeting of Project Lifecycle Review 17:16:06 <bin_> #info Ildiko: there were some discussions on the mailing list 17:16:30 <bin_> #info Ildiko: categories were removed from the proposal 17:17:11 <ildikov> #info #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_lifecycle_bylaws 17:17:35 <ildikov> #info #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_lifecycle 17:17:45 <bin_> #info Ray: have we decided it will be an official OPNFV project, or not? 17:18:18 <RayNugent_> We have projects in OPNFV right? 17:18:23 <RayNugent_> Is this one? 17:19:04 <RayNugent_> Seems like we would have a better chance of changing bylaws if we were an official project 17:20:16 <bin_> #info Ray: Seems like we would have a better chance of changing bylaws if we were an official project 17:20:50 <bin_> #info Ildiko: we need TSC approval, and Board approval if we want to change bylaws 17:22:11 <bin_> #info Ray: we have a better chance to get Board approval if we have a project 17:22:44 <bin_> #info Ildiko: Not sure if we can have "governance" project 17:22:59 <bin_> #info Ildiko: lots of admin overheads 17:23:48 <bin_> #info Ray: contributors may participate on a regular basis if we have a project 17:24:33 <bin_> #info Ildiko: not 100% sure that it needs regular project work 17:24:41 <ChrisPriceAB> ok, so am on my PC now and can start goto... :s 17:25:09 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: we're using Bin's now 17:25:16 <ChrisPriceAB> ah ok cool. 17:25:25 <bin_> #info Iben: no time to participate as a formal project 17:25:34 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/599078381 17:25:42 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: if you wish to join 17:26:00 <ChrisPriceAB> On the above, the TSC governs the byaws and charter. The board approves. In this instance the TSC has asked Ildiko to lead an investigation to propose and amendment regarding project classification. 17:26:20 <bin_> #info Bryan: perhaps a standing committee may work? 17:26:22 <ChrisPriceAB> I would but I have another meeting starting in 4 minutes 17:26:57 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: do you think this activity we are doing could be done as project work? 17:27:37 <ChrisPriceAB> nope, not really. Not sure why you would. 17:27:39 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: I mean from TSC/governance perspective would this make sense? 17:27:47 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: ok 17:27:48 <ChrisPriceAB> you are talking about the activity to amend the bylaws? 17:28:11 <ChrisPriceAB> it's not really a project is it, the sooner it is finished the better for everyone. 17:28:17 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: see RayNugent's question above 17:28:39 <ildikov> ChrisPriceAB: yeap, agreed 17:29:10 <ChrisPriceAB> not sure I understand it tbh. 17:29:26 <ChrisPriceAB> I have to attend another meeting, will try to lurk but will not be focused here sorry 17:29:52 <bin_> #info Ildiko: this activity not often all the time 17:30:30 <bin_> #info Ildiko: handle it on demand 17:30:55 <bin_> #info Ray: not suggest to continuously change the process 17:31:50 <bin_> #info Ray: not weekly meeting, but convene as needed when issues arise 17:32:42 <bin_> #info Ildiko: we can start this topic further on mailing list 17:33:28 <bin_> #info Ildiko: we may not need this permanent group, but let's discuss it further on mailing list 17:34:25 <bin_> #info Ildiko: let us focus on discussing the proposal 17:34:59 <bin_> #info Ildiko: any comment on the proposal in wiki page? 17:35:50 <bin_> #info Ray: concern on defining lifecycle without knowing the review process 17:37:08 <bin_> #info Ildiko: only a few changes (summarized in email) 17:37:22 <ChrisPriceAB> The review process: propose to the TSC, the TSC will review and accept or reject and ask for amendments. There ends the process for this group. 17:37:49 <ChrisPriceAB> Review by the board is done on behest of the TSC and will be up to the "whoever is TSC chair" to propose to the board. 17:39:01 <bin_> #info Ildiko: lifecycle is more or less the same as summarized in wiki page 17:39:46 <ildikov> #info original project lifecycle page: #link https://www.opnfv.org/developers/technical-project-governance/project-lifecycle 17:39:47 <bin_> #info Ildiko: just removed those project "categories", and consolidate metrics 17:42:28 <bin_> #info Ray: this is gated process, we don't have infra setup for reviews except creation review. 17:44:36 <bin_> #info Ildiko: it is not about daily work of each project. OPNFV is young. Graduation review may happen after a few releases. 17:47:12 <bin_> #info Ray: if I am already in a release, what is the value of having those reviews? 17:47:50 <bin_> #info Ildiko: really no good answer, but it is defined by bylaws and expected by Board 17:50:15 <bin_> #info Ildiko: we have plenty of time to address it, but we may not be able to address it at the beginning 17:54:00 <bin_> #info Ildiko: any argument of proposal - i.e. removing the categories, and slight consolidation of metrics listed on wiki pages? 17:54:57 <bin_> #info Ildiko: understand the silence means agreement on the proposal on wiki page 17:54:57 <RayNugent_> #info My concerns stand 17:56:14 <bin_> #info Ildiko: will bring it to TSC for review 17:57:06 <bin_> #info Ray: review before or after Board approval of bylaws? 17:58:07 <bin_> #info Ildiko: Board approves first, then work on other issues. TSC agreement first, Board approval next. 17:59:19 <RayNugent_> #info I'm concerned the board will identify the unresolved issues and ask us to fix before they approve. Small steps may not be an acceptable strategy 17:59:27 <bin_> #info Bryan: small step is fine, and we need to move forward 18:00:54 <bin_> #info Ildiko: agreement here and get TSC agreement first, then Board approval. 18:02:07 <bin_> #info Ildiko: will send follow-up mail to the mailing list. 18:02:16 <bin_> #info meeting adjourned 18:02:40 <bin_> #endmeeting