========================= #opnfv-meeting: OPNFV TSC ========================= Meeting started by ChrisPriceAB at 14:58:48 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2015/opnfv-meeting.2015-11-24-14.58.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Uli Kleber (uli-k, 14:58:58) * roll call (ChrisPriceAB, 14:59:01) * Uli Kleber (uli-k, 14:59:05) * Gerald Kunzmann (DOCOMO) (GeraldK, 14:59:07) * Chris Price (ChrisPriceAB, 14:59:13) * Frank Brockners (frankbrockners, 14:59:15) * mlynch (Mike_Lynch, 14:59:42) * Edgar StPierre (edgarstp, 15:00:52) * approval of previous minutes of meeting (ChrisPriceAB, 15:01:15) * the minutes of two past have been approved due to no feedback. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:01:49) * Bryan Sullivan (bryan_att, 15:01:50) * Brian Skerry (bjskerry, 15:02:05) * previous minutes are also approved. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:02:19) * Morgan Richomme (morgan_orange, 15:02:22) * Dirk Kutscher (dku, 15:02:32) * Agenda Bashing (ChrisPriceAB, 15:02:33) * LINK: https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc current agendsa (ChrisPriceAB, 15:02:48) * Vikram Dham (VikramDham, 15:03:06) * Tapio Tallgren (ttallgren, 15:03:21) * no further topics proposed (ChrisPriceAB, 15:04:06) * Milestone D update (ChrisPriceAB, 15:04:21) * Debra outlines the plan for projects passing milestone D of Brahmaputra (ChrisPriceAB, 15:04:44) * Debra will prepare list of questions to every project (GeraldK, 15:04:52) * Debra will create a page per project on the Brahmaputra Wiki area (GeraldK, 15:05:52) * Frank requests to have this list of questions in advance, preferrably by today (GeraldK, 15:06:26) * Project lifecycle discussions (ChrisPriceAB, 15:06:51) * The project proposal wiki is being updated to reflect the recent changes in bylaws (ChrisPriceAB, 15:07:30) * Ildiko asks rpaik when the www.opnfv.org pages will be updated (ChrisPriceAB, 15:07:47) * rpaik responds that the creative services team are working to update the web page (ChrisPriceAB, 15:08:06) * Parviz Yegani (Parviz, 15:08:15) * Ildikov has asked for community input into the activity on the mailing lists. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:08:43) * Discussion on Word vs rst (GeraldK, 15:09:08) * dlenrow (dlenrow, 15:09:11) * LINK: https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_proposals/template (frankbrockners, 15:09:52) * LINK: https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_proposals (ildikov, 15:10:12) * frankbrockers promotes simplicity and thinks the wiki is suitable given our current best parctices (ChrisPriceAB, 15:10:53) * Chris prefers rst and using our repositories, Frank proposes Wiki (with link from project page to project proposal page) (GeraldK, 15:10:54) * a motion is put to remove the word document sitting on the wiki (ChrisPriceAB, 15:11:20) * no (Julien-zte, 15:11:39) * AGREED: the TSC agrees to remove the word document and stick to the wiki proposal template (ChrisPriceAB, 15:12:18) * Project scope adjustments after the amended bylaws (ChrisPriceAB, 15:12:58) * question is on procedures around scope adjustment, e.g. reduce/increase project scope (GeraldK, 15:14:21) * Ray questions what is the project maturity gate when projects can change the scope frequently (GeraldK, 15:15:21) * dlenrow asks how active the TSC should be when project scope changes (rpaik, 15:16:32) * problem might occur when a project scope might affect another project or even the overall OPNFV scope. (GeraldK, 15:17:14) * Uli-K: there are several where the TSC would need to decide on updated project scope. we should encourage projects to seek guidance on the new scope. (GeraldK, 15:19:46) * Chris: if the project wants to change scope, they could just come to TSC to ask for approval. (GeraldK, 15:20:36) * Is there an example of a scope problem in OPNFV currently that we could use to test proposed solutions to this (possible non) problem? (dlenrow, 15:20:44) * Debra raises the question about the size of scope changes; would scope changes really affect the project that much? (GeraldK, 15:21:27) * Frank: what is the purpose of this discussion: does TSC simply wants to know about the change? (GeraldK, 15:22:34) * Ray: project scope should stay inside OPNFV scope and project should not overlap with other projects (GeraldK, 15:23:06) * frankbrockners proposes that we handle project scope change via a notification to the TSC, the TSC reserves the right to question or discuss the scope adjustment. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:25:01) * uli-k adds that the change should be well documented on the project page (ChrisPriceAB, 15:25:17) * AGREED: the TSC agrees to implement the above procedures as a way of managing scope change. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:29:02) * Process for archiving projects (ChrisPriceAB, 15:29:16) * LINK: https://www.opnfv.org/developers/technical-project-governance/project-lifecycle current lifecycle document (ChrisPriceAB, 15:29:56) * dneary asks how the community might terminate a project that has no active members (ChrisPriceAB, 15:31:42) * ttallgren outlines the confusion caused by having idle projects listed on the OPNFV wiki and creating misconceptions of our activity (ChrisPriceAB, 15:33:02) * if project steps out of SR,it should be clear it is inactive and carrying cost should be near zero (dlenrow, 15:34:36) * rpaik found a few projects that were dormant. He has discussed archiving with these projects. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:34:59) * we naturally split into participating in SR and not. This should be solved by rules for remaining active/eligible in SR (dlenrow, 15:35:27) * Ray basically used bitergia dashboard and Debra's project sheets to identify potentially stale projects (GeraldK, 15:36:14) * Frank proposes after 1 year of no activity, TSC should try to contact the project and trigger a decision (GeraldK, 15:37:30) * rprakash (rprakash, 15:40:07) * can we look at Grading projects like OpenStack for people to know what are in good standing (rprakash, 15:40:47) * OPNFV Plugfest, needs and support (ChrisPriceAB, 15:40:57) * Uli-K proposed to discuss technical-related topic from Board meetings within TSC (GeraldK, 15:43:16) * Chris raised concern that Board discussions are closed (GeraldK, 15:43:27) * if BOD is considering major change in technical content of project, it would be nice for them to invite TSC to a (closed) meeting to discuss... (dlenrow, 15:44:51) * Uli-K proposes that Chris should request to have such technical topics be declared open by the board when possible (GeraldK, 15:44:56) * +1 to TSC deciding technical scope of the OPNFV (bryan_att, 15:46:57) * LINK: https://www.sdxcentral.com/artiles/news/opnfv-opens-a-vote-on-nfv-mano/2015/11 ? (ttallgren, 15:47:15) * The board has a significant voice and the TSC should consider it's guidance carefully, but the life of the community is based upon the interest of the members at a technical level, and that includes new areas of scope. (bryan_att, 15:47:50) * for example, I will soon propose that the C release include projects addressing VNFM/NFVO functionality explicitly based upon upstream projects; I don't believe that we need the board to bless the scope of such projects in advance. (bryan_att, 15:49:13) * that scope was clearly on the table for OPNFV at organizational creation; it's up to the TSC to determine when and how to address functionality in the overall scope of NFV/SDN. (bryan_att, 15:50:12) * this is just an example - others may be more problematic. but the TSC needs to drive the technical content, especially if it's the only "open" forum for scope discussion. (bryan_att, 15:51:02) * could we (Chris) ask for a joint BOD/TSC meeting to discuss technical aspects of changes w/ BOD? (dlenrow, 15:51:26) * info uli-k requests that TSC chair can request for more time to the board to collect TSC input (rpaik, 15:53:07) * Wiki migration plans (ChrisPriceAB, 15:54:15) * rpaik outlines the plans for the confluence migration. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:54:37) * aricg is setting up the wiki hosting for confluence, it is expected that a 2 week lead time will be required before we start the migration process. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:55:23) * both sites wil be kept up for 2 weeks prior to final cut-over for review and formatting. (ChrisPriceAB, 15:56:03) * aricg asks if we can update Jira to Jira 7 (ChrisPriceAB, 15:57:16) * no reason to reject (Julien-zte, 15:57:49) * ChrisPriceAB requests Confluence migration to start after Dec. 1 (Brahmaputra Milestone-D) (rpaik, 15:59:00) Meeting ended at 16:00:40 UTC. People present (lines said) --------------------------- * ChrisPriceAB (44) * GeraldK (21) * bryan_att (9) * dlenrow (7) * collabot (6) * ttallgren (4) * rpaik (4) * uli-k (3) * frankbrockners (2) * rprakash (2) * Julien-zte (2) * ildikov (2) * dku (1) * VikramDham (1) * morgan_orange (1) * Mike_Lynch (1) * Parviz (1) * dneary (1) * bjskerry (1) * edgarstp (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4