16:00:41 <rpaik> #startmeeting OPNFV Q1 Hackfest 16:00:41 <collabot`> Meeting started Mon Mar 14 16:00:41 2016 UTC. The chair is rpaik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:41 <collabot`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:41 <collabot`> The meeting name has been set to 'opnfv_q1_hackfest' 16:01:15 <rpaik> We’re stating to gather in the room 16:01:23 <rpaik> will get started in a few minutes 16:04:36 <rpaik> #chair ChrisPriceAB 16:04:36 <collabot`> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik 16:05:13 <rprakash> #info rprakash 16:05:23 <rpaik> #chair rprakash 16:05:23 <collabot`> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik rprakash 16:07:23 <rpaik> getting started 16:07:52 <rpaik> hkirksey and ChrisPriceAB kicking things off 16:09:12 <rpaik> David McBride joins OPNFV as the new Release Manager 16:09:51 <rprakash> #info David McBrick comes from Qualcom 16:11:02 <rprakash> #link agenda https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/Q1'2016_Hackfest 16:11:50 <rprakash> #info announcing release of Brhmaputra 16:13:16 <ildikov_> #info Heather describes the Brahmaputra release infographic showing how the community grew 16:14:01 <rprakash> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/brahmaputra 16:14:21 <rpaik> #infor Quarterly Awards winners announced 16:14:36 <rprakash> #info Tomi from Nokia gets as best Coder Developer for OPNFV and is part of Doctor 16:14:48 <rpaik> #info for Code Developement Tomi Juvonen 16:16:14 <rprakash> #info Dave Neary , Smith/Mark, Biert/Peter, Loee/Royta Mibu for Collabortaion awards 16:16:38 <rprakash> #undo 16:16:38 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x3009e10> 16:16:47 <rpaik> #info Documentation Award also goes to Ryota Mibu 16:16:56 <rprakash> #info Dave Neary , Smith/Mark, Biert/Peter, Lee/Royta Mibu for Collabortaion awards 16:17:44 <rprakash> #info Integration award Cathy and Narinder Gupta 16:18:09 <rpaik> #info Future technical community events discussion 16:18:48 <rprakash> #info OPNFV summit on June 20-21at Berlin. Germany 16:19:16 <rpaik> #info the question is should we continue to co-locate with other events? 16:20:55 <rprakash> #info OPtions for H2 2016 ODL Seattle 27-29 Seattle, Plugfest in France (TBD) , LF Summit 20-24 Toronto Canada...choose one 16:23:00 <rprakash> #info IETF 97 at Seoul Nov 13-18 in Korea.. another option 16:23:18 <rpaik> #info comment that co-location with plugfest maybe a good idea 16:25:17 <rprakash> #info plugfest 2 invite from Orange in EU need discussions plus one more at IETF 97 in Korea 16:26:32 <rpaik> #info suggestion to start a poll on 2H events with the technical community 16:26:37 <rprakash> #info Bryan Sullivan wanted to know who are particpating where to maximize particpation and prefers ODL 16:26:53 <rprakash> #info Chris too likes that 16:28:34 <rpaik> #info OpenStack Summit-Barcelona is in the last week of October 16:29:43 <rpaik> #info suggestion to have pre-OpenStack discussion regarding Blueprint planning within the community 16:29:45 <rprakash> #info another option is Openstack In Barcelone, Spain - October 24-28, 2016 16:31:41 <rprakash> #info Release C is Colorado 16:32:13 <rpaik> #info suggestion to schedule the afternoon breakouts around Colorado release planning discussion 16:33:02 <rprakash> suggested timing today noon PST 3:30-4:00: Release C Planning 16:34:50 <rprakash> #info changes : 4:30 - 6:00: Release C planning 16:35:09 <rpaik> #topic Brahmaputra retrospectives 16:36:39 <rprakash> #info Chris is looking for Constructive complaints for Release C plan for what we laerned in B 16:36:52 <rpaik> #link https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/c-release-brainstorming Colorado release plan Etherpad 16:37:03 * bryan_att can help take minutes 16:37:17 <rpaik> #chair braynn_att 16:37:17 <collabot`> Warning: Nick not in channel: braynn_att 16:37:17 <collabot`> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB braynn_att rpaik rprakash 16:37:33 <rpaik> #chair bryan_att 16:37:33 <collabot`> Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB braynn_att bryan_att rpaik rprakash 16:39:14 <rprakash> #info David McBrick to ask questions on feedback from Release B 16:39:39 <rprakash> #info q1. WHoa was inolved in testing Brahmaputra? 16:40:07 <rprakash> #info what was comprehensive test coverage 16:40:41 <rpaik> #info trying to do everything all at once (esp. for testing) was a major challenge 16:41:33 <rprakash> #info Tim redhat say too many parallel tasks hence we barely finished creating tests and hence covergae was minimum and problem was lot of baremetals and too much at last movement 16:42:02 <rpaik> #info test prep activies should be done earlier in the prep cycle 16:42:14 <rprakash> #info David says to figure out what test cases before rather than in late in release cycle 16:42:57 <Alan_> #info this improved from A to B and needs to improve more in Colorado 16:44:20 <rprakash> #info Dependency between individual project and testing was evdient in the Projects as everyone was tied to Func_test and hence Unit testing should be added 16:44:29 <rpaik> #info interdepencies between various projects requires more unit testing (e.g. of feature projects) earlier 16:44:41 <rprakash> #info Installer by Installer was painful process so need some methodology 16:44:58 <rprakash> #info everybody seems to do differently 16:45:51 <rprakash> #info David say we need consistancy, but other say differentaite between Unit tests from Production environment 16:46:17 <Alan_> #info chris - normalize CI pipeline so same methodology from unit to system 16:46:23 <rprakash> #info Chris say we need to streamline between CI and testing 16:47:04 <narindergupta> we need to standarize on the hardware spec for CI for release as well. 16:47:05 <rpaik> #info frankbrockners adds that scenarios were introduced late in the cycle 16:47:11 <rprakash> #info Frank says concept of Scenerio needed to be completed with feature before taking up to testing 16:47:29 <rprakash> #info Frank says integration was in a rush 16:47:54 <rprakash> #info Frank not everything works at same pace with Multiple Scenerios 16:48:26 <rprakash> #info Two weeks of Testing and Two weeks of Integration is not sufficient 16:48:41 <Alan_> #info Frank - define Colorado scenarios early and each works at own speed 16:48:56 <rprakash> #info Frank says so we should not club synchronizing Scenerios 16:49:19 <rpaik> #info frankbrockners add that we should schedule scenarios independent from each other 16:49:30 <rprakash> #indo David asks Frank waht that means for Colorado? 16:52:21 <Alan_> #info - Chris: Unit and System and isolated (and unit comes from upstream) but system has dependencies on unit 16:52:35 <Alan_> *are* isolated 16:52:53 <rprakash> #info rprakash said test at MS3 would be helpfull 16:52:57 <rpaik> #info need to have clearer milestones for testing 16:53:40 <rprakash> #info Chris points that lot of testing is in upstream and hence Yardstick needs differentaite for OPNFV Scenerios 16:54:16 <rpaik> #info ChrisPriceAB asks if we can find a way to combine scenarios 16:54:19 <rprakash> #info Chris susggests reducing Scenerios 16:55:01 <rprakash> #info Tim says tie Configuration to Scenerios instead of Calling Confguration of Doctor in multiple Scenerios 16:55:03 <Alan_> #info - Benefit of this is that features are isolated to disjoint scenarios currently 16:55:36 <rpaik> #info dradez asks if we can have scenarios based on configurations vs. features 16:56:48 <rpaik> #info we need to be able to deploy any scenario on any POD 16:58:17 <rpaik> #info arturt notes that we don’t have enough Pharos hw resources that we can easily consume 16:59:31 <Alan_> #info - Chris - we were under-resourced (<20%) on both community and LF resources - that is, we could not get them "on demand" or soon enough 16:59:55 <rpaik> #info infratructure support for Pharos resources is an area for improvement 16:59:56 <rprakash> ##info Lab resource for LF to get >20% efficiency similar to comminity labs about same efficiency 17:00:18 <rprakash> #info need more lab support besides Aric from LF 17:01:49 <rprakash> #info Tim says Development testing needs early look -means unit testing asks David 17:02:01 <rpaik> #info question is raised if we can complete development test prior to production tests? 17:02:04 <rprakash> #info Trevor says its Fetaure testing 17:04:43 <rprakash> #info Tim says some goes into specific some goes generic in Func_test , so help reduce iteration we should focus on infrastructure configuraion , like look at Doctor which could get some from fuc_test directly 17:05:03 <rprakash> #undo 17:05:03 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2f162d0> 17:05:09 <rpaik> #info Doctor project rolled their testing in Functest and that worked well 17:05:16 <rprakash> info Tim says some goes into specific some goes generic in Func_test , so help reduce iteration we should focus on infrastructure configuraion , like look at Doctor which could get some from func_test directly 17:06:26 <rprakash> #info Saves time if we get help from platform folks as how use case can be tested 17:06:45 <rprakash> #info end user getting involed is a good 17:08:19 <rpaik> #info trozet notes that for Apex they need to add test cases to make sure that a new feature works (vs. just deploying) 17:08:24 <rprakash> #info Tim says Apex makes sure that add func_test to esnure part of system like Horizon end point access 17:10:53 <rpaik> #info installers need to add some of the “basic” functest suites 17:11:37 <rprakash> #info Installers have common Tempest tests and can be used as minimum smoke test plus validate more seperately to save test run time 17:12:12 <rprakash> #info Chris needs we need to add more to CI make all these happen as part of Build and Deploy 17:12:33 <rprakash> #undo 17:12:33 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2f16950> 17:12:45 <rprakash> info Chris says we need to add more to CI make all these happen as part of Build and Deploy 17:14:02 <rprakash> #info Scenerio we need to link to be able to system level plus user level testing 17:14:43 <rpaik> #info frankbrockners adds that configuration file for functest is another improvement area 17:14:59 <rprakash> #info Frank says having proper configuraion files is better and says Morgan is looking at that for cleaning up 17:15:54 <rprakash> #info Chris says YardStick is targeted at system level whereas Func_Test targets some features 17:16:46 <rprakash> #info Smoke test must include some of the Func_test fro example 17:16:47 <Alan_> #info chris - maybe need to be giving specs to functest what it should provide 17:17:40 <Alan_> #info All - realization that scenario definitions did not have an owner - how should this work in C release? 17:18:28 <rpaik> #info discussion on where scenario configuration files should be (currently they’re with the installers) 17:18:36 <rprakash> #info we need to pull some from installer and put in some other scenerio to simplify the installation 17:20:17 <rprakash> #info Ian say jumping between Scenerios and Function should be minimum 17:22:31 <Alan_> #info Reason - features will be "smoke test passed and more" and scenario testing, while still hard, will be less frequent 17:23:05 <rpaik> #info ChrisPriceAB notes that there is a design guide for all testing projects 17:24:29 <rprakash> #info Producing an Artifact is being used by installer and so we should be able to merge some tests to staging to complete some system testing 17:26:33 <rprakash> #info Chris says we have documents for Yardstick and Func_Test for whitebox plus vping and others refer 17:26:37 <rprakash> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/yardstick 17:27:31 <rprakash> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/c 17:27:36 <rpaik> #info we also need to discuss upstream planning for the D-release (e.g. OpenStack Newton) 17:28:17 <rprakash> #info are we missing anything in OpenStack 17:28:46 <Alan_> #info - Purpose - to not just be consuming everything but saying what bridges the gaps 17:34:43 <rprakash> #info consider Orchestartion not just Tacker and other upstream can do same besides OpenStack projects 17:36:27 <rprakash> #info Bryan says Tacker is for Test case for Generic VNF but commercial can be different 17:37:11 <rprakash> #info Bryan says have Package thatw works and add commercial stuff aove that 17:37:33 <rpaik> #info need to solicit input from the large community via mailing lists for feedback to upstream communites 17:38:04 <rprakash> #info Ian says we need to plan for upstream in OpenStack in next 4-6 weeks 17:38:52 <rpaik> #info ChrisPriceAB suggests working groups to converges some of the individual project discussions/activities 17:38:58 <rprakash> #info Chris talks up about NFVReadyNeSs and see how all this is going to look , instead having 40 projects can we get them to merge 17:41:18 <rprakash> #info workgroups proposal by Chris to get consensus between Projects is a good idea and collect and start common purpose represenation for planning 17:41:21 <Alan_> #info - Suggestion to make this process happen through WG's submitting proposals to the TSC (not forcing proj merger) 17:41:45 <rprakash> #info 20 minutes break now 18:07:30 <rprakash> #info rprakash 18:07:59 <rpaik> #info getting re-started in about a minute 18:07:59 <rprakash> #topic Development aand Testing Infrasructure 18:08:24 <rpaik> #info presented by Trevor Cooper & Matthew Li 18:10:11 <rprakash> #info Jenkins-ci what should be included in evrify job 18:11:07 <rprakash> #info unitest to ensure Project is in order 18:11:44 <rprakash> #info what is time for tests - 1 hour , 10 hour? 18:12:08 <rprakash> #info Not hours and Days but few minutes 18:12:15 <rpaik> #info Matthew notes that goal should be minutes 18:14:16 <rprakash> #info improvement 2 is to test in local env before adding patch to Project to ensure minimize reun times for progress in CI 18:14:41 <rprakash> #info submit changes after testing in local environment 18:16:05 <rprakash> #info another option is to integrate with community installers and run the test cases once patch is set with related code 18:17:19 <rprakash> #info community environmenmts like Intel, Ericsson, Huawei .... for installers in differet PODs 18:18:55 <rprakash> #info Improvement 3 is adding Dashboard 18:21:44 <rpaik> #info there are individual testing dashboards in addition to the test board that went live on opnfv.org 18:23:14 <rprakash> #info Frank says we should look at moving from Hand Crafted to automated dashboard 18:24:00 <rprakash> #info due to lack of test folks we need to take it alter in test workgroup or teams 18:24:08 <rprakash> #undo 18:24:08 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x300d390> 18:24:34 <rprakash> #info due to lack of test folks at Hackfest here we need to take it later in test workgroup or teams 18:25:33 <rpaik> #info Mathew also discusses Nodepool as a tool for lar resource management tool 18:27:04 <rprakash> #info Lab resource pool using NodeLable Parameter Plugin, but needs OpeSnatck environment alternate being considered or Virtual environment and Fatih working on it with his Releng coleagues 18:27:20 <rprakash> #undo 18:27:20 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x300dd90> 18:27:37 <rprakash> #info Lab resource pool using NodeLable Parameter Plugin, but needs OpenSatck environment alternate being considered or Virtual environment and Fatih working on it with his Releng coleagues 18:28:16 <rprakash> #info Dev?Test Infra Goal/Vision 18:28:44 <rprakash> #info Lab Visibility: Capability, Usage, 18:28:56 <rprakash> #info Configuration Management 18:30:12 <rprakash> #info Common Inventory for Installer, POD Cobfiguration, Common Platform tests need development 18:32:17 <rpaik> #info Trevor notes that supporting a bare metal environement requires a lot of resources 18:32:30 <rpaik> #info and better support is required 18:33:22 <rprakash> #info Onboarding requires addressing 18:33:27 <rprakash> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/pharos_laas 18:35:08 <rprakash> #info lab-as-a-service will need Infrastructure support - Lf Lab support, CI, Troubleshooting/sysadmin 18:35:45 <rpaik> #info aricg poses the question of providing potential users with direct access to jenkins toolchain 18:37:18 <rprakash> #info look at MaaS which was co-ordinating to ensure that Labs are utilized well and Iben and Arthur can lookback at that option 18:37:40 <rpaik> #topic OPNFV Plugfest 18:38:21 <rprakash> #info Aric has good question and may be we need to take this at Pharos meeting 18:39:56 <rpaik> #info Lincoln & Hongbo presenting the Plugfest update 18:41:07 <rpaik> #info Plugfest will take place during the week of May 9th at CableLabs in Louisville, CO 18:41:25 <rprakash> #info Lincoln itroduces Plugfest WG and Hongbo and Ray 18:41:30 <rprakash> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opnfv-plugfest 18:42:16 <rprakash> #info Provide event/Opportunity for tesing OPNFV and measure results 18:42:52 <rprakash> #info Keyfoucs ...1. Deployment, 2. Network Integration and 3. VNF testing over Platform 18:43:08 <rpaik> #info plugfest is open to both members and non-members of OPNFV 18:43:16 <rprakash> #info an Open event and any one can particpate not just OPNFV members 18:44:06 <rpaik> #info critical path right now is test plan development 18:44:17 <rprakash> #info Plufest Timelines - Rules of Engagement (ROE) like NDA sorted ot, and planning tests for now, followed by exceution and some white paper 18:45:17 <rprakash> #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opnfv-plugfest/program 18:45:51 <rprakash> #Info Hongbo presenting the Technical details 18:46:13 <rprakash> #info Basic Scenerio and Extended Scenerio 18:47:27 <rprakash> #info Basic hardware/software test for OPNFV Platform beyond Pharos Scenerios to cover interoperability 18:48:46 <rprakash> #info Flow -> Pharsos ->OPNFV installler ->B-Release -> Test Projects-> VNF and Life Cycle 18:49:52 <rprakash> #info Vendors flow: Hardware Vendor -> Installer Vendor -> Platform Vendor -> Tesdt vendor -> VNF Vendor 18:50:50 <rprakash> #info Morning Session (Setup Only all Basic), Afternoon session (Test Secnerios and fianlly any exteded services testing) 18:51:54 <rprakash> #info test cases under consideraion OPFV testing, SDN testing, VNF testing, Orchestartion testing are current thinking 18:53:16 <rprakash> #info Nextstep Plugfest Test development requesting Particpation for Plugfest for Infrastrucure and overall communication 18:54:51 <rprakash> #link https://www.regonline.com/Register/Checkin.aspx?EventID=1815505 18:56:40 <rprakash> #info Join Divetail meeting Friday 1400:1500 UTC 18:56:45 <rprakash> #link https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/458547813 18:57:09 <rprakash> #info IRC channel: IRC channel: #opnfv-meeting@ Freenode (Web Chat) 18:58:24 <rprakash> #info Plugfest should not replicate what other people are doing as per Frank so we focus on OPNFV what it does and add more as we move to Release C and D etc 18:58:28 <rpaik> #info want to tie in what we do in Plugfest to OPNFV and not replicate what others have done (e.g. ETSI, NIA, etc) 19:00:35 <rprakash> #info we should see how we can bring in MANO testing in future lets work through future Pludfests 19:01:08 <rpaik> #info important to remember that this is our first plugfest and will be a big learning opportunity 19:01:15 <rprakash> #info This first one should be a boot from ground and see how we can accomodate and inclusive as much as possible 19:02:25 <rprakash> #info This is setting the baseline for Plugfest as Ray Nugent mentioned 19:03:55 <rprakash> #info based on registarion may limit the partcipation and Ray Pike mentions and have a blog to promote the plugfest 19:04:48 <rprakash> #info 20 membership companies sign that itself will be huge 19:05:06 <rpaik> #info now breaking for lunch 19:05:13 <rpaik> be back in about an hour 19:05:19 <rprakash> #info Breaking for Lunch 20:08:39 <rpaik> #info re-starting in about a minute 20:08:53 <rpaik> #topic Colorado release planning 20:11:26 <rpaik> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/releases/colorado?s[]=colorado&s[]=release Colorado release page 20:15:38 <rprakash> #info rprakash 20:15:50 <rpaik> #info Tim notes that for his feature project, installers were moving targets for the Brahmaputra release 20:15:51 <rprakash> #topic OPNFV Release Planning 20:17:09 <rprakash> #info Chris starts discussions on Mile Stones and release dependancy 20:18:37 <rpaik> #info there is a suggestion to have feature freezes first 20:23:08 <rprakash> #info upstream dependency must be understood early 20:27:42 <rpaik> #info before Milestone 1, upstream dependencies must be understood 20:29:34 <rpaik> #info Genesis can be used as a vehicle to comprehend upstream dependencies 20:31:07 <rprakash> #info Frank to talk about OPNFV Release and Scenerio Release 20:32:43 <rpaik> #info OPNFV test components and features at system level 20:34:42 <rpaik> #info frankbrockners asks if there should be release schedules per scenarios 20:36:38 <rpaik> #info per scenarios you could have fearure complete, install ready, test ready, integration ready, and release ready 20:51:45 <rpaik> #info try to combine upstream patches in “one OPNFV version of upstream” whenever possible 20:54:39 <rprakash> #info Scenerio based rlease within Release C being proposed by Frank and Chris 20:55:08 <rprakash> #info some debate on experimental scenerio vs. Production based scenerios 20:56:27 <rpaik> #info this proposal for scenarios based release allows for quicker feedback to upstream developer communities 20:57:09 <rprakash> #info Chris wants to avoid labeling it like HA, NOHA, SDN, NOSDN per installer and with 4-5 intalers this makes it 20 scenerios for now 20:58:30 <rprakash> #info so we need to get a team working on scenerio based cycle within OPNFV to track all scnerios as compositions of components and their configuration 21:00:19 <rprakash> #info As we get to Scenerio maturity we may be able to do away with lables like we have now HA, NoHA etc etc. 21:11:29 <rpaik> #info idea to create a mechanism for projects to create an RPM for deployment 21:13:57 <rpaik> #info consensus on the scenario-based release proposal 21:14:36 <rprakash> #info Frank proposed Scenerio based relase and most agreed to it and Chris said despite that we still need to manage OPNFV release based in parallel like Release B 21:15:51 <rprakash> #info Sometimes in July we may have a stable release plan and in that few scenerios that my qualify and moeet the goals of OPNFV C Release 21:39:28 <rprakash> #info Get Scnerio tested early to get requirements upstream, but at the end of the day relase freez at a given time must include the scenerios that make it to date of freeze and hence release 21:48:46 <rprakash> #action Frank to summerize what was discussed on Scenerio based release within OPNFV time based rlease and all will review it to ensure it meets installer, testing and other questions different teams are concerned with this new idea 21:49:24 <rprakash> #info Ofee break before we gather for Project Breakout sessions 22:14:48 <rpaik> #info as we’re heading to project breakouts, we’ll end the IRC session 22:15:07 <rpaik> #stopmeeting 22:15:13 <rpaik> #undo 22:15:13 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2d05f10> 22:15:18 <rpaik> #endmeeting