13:59:33 #startmeeting OPNFV TSC 13:59:33 Meeting started Tue Mar 15 13:59:33 2016 UTC. The chair is ChrisPriceAB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:59:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:59:33 The meeting name has been set to 'opnfv_tsc' 13:59:39 #topic roll call 13:59:44 #info Chris Price 13:59:46 #info Uli Kleber 13:59:46 #info Gerald Kunzmann 14:00:15 #info Jonas Arndt 14:00:30 working through some local audio issues 14:00:52 can anyone hear us? 14:01:00 #info Frank Brockners 14:01:03 yes i can hear 14:02:01 Ray, I cannot hear you 14:02:01 we still cannot hear. 14:02:22 can you hear us? 14:02:27 no we cannot 14:02:48 HackFest folks have audio issues 14:02:55 #info Brian Skerry 14:04:03 #info Edgar StPierre 14:04:08 #info Tapio Tallgren 14:05:01 we have a quorum 14:05:02 #topic Approval of previous minutes 14:05:08 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc#march_8_2016 previous meeting minutes 14:05:13 #info minutes approved 14:05:18 #topic Agenda Bashing 14:05:33 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/wiki/tsc#march_15_2016 current agenda 14:05:52 #info Tim Irnich 14:06:55 #info chris proposes some agenda shuffling, to do the creation reviews first, followed by the IETF update and then follow the rest of the agenda 14:07:01 #info Dirk Kutscher 14:07:22 #info proposal to timebox both project creation reviews 14:07:24 #topic Project creation review - OpenSAF 14:07:51 Dave Neary is here 14:07:53 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/opensaf opensaf project proposal 14:08:05 welcome mister dneary 14:08:13 welcome! 14:08:27 was not on IRC until just now 14:08:36 #info Bryan Sullivan 14:08:49 #info dneary 14:09:02 #info Julien 14:09:17 #info Ryota Mibu (proxy Dirk) 14:09:30 #info Jonas outlines the history of the opensaf project 14:09:43 #info has been focused on implementing the SAF specification 14:10:14 #info has more recently turned to investingating and implementing requirements for virtual environemtns 14:10:45 #info the availability project focus is to help applications achieve 5x9 availbility 14:10:56 #undo 14:10:56 Removing item from minutes: 14:11:02 #info the opensaf project focus is to help applications achieve 5x9 availbility 14:11:53 #info edgar asks if opensaf supports other environments other than carrier/telco communities 14:12:25 #info JOnas answers that the focus is on carrier networking, however the project also addresses military applications as well 14:13:00 #info edgar assk if opensaf would exclusively address OPNFV environments 14:13:33 #info jonas answers that they will continue to support existing users while working with OPNFV for virtual environments 14:14:10 #info bryan assk is OpenSAF will exist as a foundation outisde of OPNFV. 14:14:56 #info Jonas answers that the upstream foundation will dissolve 14:16:29 #info Jonas describes that the license will switch from LGPL to Apache after the April release 14:17:12 #info frankbrockners asks how the license will be changed. 14:17:54 #info Jonas answered that the OpenSAF foundation is the sole owner of the copywright and has the right o change the license. 14:18:03 note that licenses change requires agreement of ALL contributors to the code base 14:20:29 This is not a topic for the TSC 14:20:43 Frustrating to spend time on this rather than the substantive issue at hand 14:20:53 this is something the LF Legal needs to sort out but the rules are the rules around licensing transfer 14:21:13 Brian is right: many of us have dealt with this before. its not necessarily clear. 14:21:28 #info I would think legal concerns need to be addressed by Linux Foundation lawyers and opinion communicated clearly back to us. 14:22:36 #info A key question is to the governance of the foundation, and whether the agreement of the contributors survives the foundation. We have not had a chance to review the governance. 14:23:28 #info Chris, we need to also provide our legal opinion so need time for our legal staff to review this as well. 14:23:44 #action rpaik to discuss licensing question with the LF legal team 14:23:50 It is not appropriate for OPNFV to host code for non-NFV related markets and applications. 14:25:08 #info The primary concern I have is whether OPNFV is designed to support "owning" platform code rather than integrating it. If the code base remains in some upstream community, then integrating the code in OPNFV is similar to other projects. 14:25:40 its a question even if its for OPNFV-related markets and applications 14:25:41 #action dneary to start the discussion on the mailing list on hosting code development project in OPNFV 14:25:48 #info The thread on the appropriateness has already occurred. 14:25:50 lets carry onto the mailing list 14:26:21 can we get a link to the thread? 14:26:37 #action rpaik to get a statement from the LinuxFoundation legal team on the license issue identified. 14:26:49 #info review postponed until next week 14:27:06 #topic Project creation review NFV readiness 14:27:21 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/project_proposals/nfvreadyness project proposal 14:27:22 #info There has been substantial discussion on that point, and even if we did integrate this project in OPNFV the license issue, including provenance of the code prior to relicensing, and the obligations to anyone other than the OpenSAF Foundation, would be key remaining concerns if the code was "owned" by OPNFV. 14:27:44 #chair rpaik 14:27:44 Current chairs: ChrisPriceAB rpaik 14:28:19 #info Georg outlines the intention of this project is to work with upstream communities to evaluate NFV use cases in the context of cloud networking. 14:28:22 * bryan_att wants the points I raised for the minutes. 14:29:14 #info We also need copies/links to the OpenSAF governance documents so we can do a proper legal review ("we" meaning AT&T legal staff) 14:29:18 #info the project intends to focus on requirements and deployment validation and will perform coding activities in the context of the existing upstream communities. 14:30:04 bryan_att can you reach out to rpaik to make sure your legal team is involved in the response 14:30:52 rpaik: please emsure that our legal team is included in the review and response 14:31:18 #info the project will ensure the work of the project fits into the openstack environment. 14:31:41 w.r.t OpenSAF, an interesting fact that came up during today's call is that if the project becomes part of OPNFV, we would be hosting code that is also used outside NFV context and support for those existing users is expected. 14:31:44 bryan_att, can you send me the names/emails of your legal contacts at ATT? 14:32:00 #info the proposal has been on the community review meeting on two occasions with good discussion and feedback. 14:32:24 #info dnaery asks if there is any reason the project cannot exist in other projects 14:33:00 #info Georg answers that the first phase of the project is on use cases analysis, not focused on existing project scopes. 14:33:40 #info Georg also answers that this project may propose new solutions to some use cases that deviates from other projects 14:34:39 #info GeraldK asks if the wide scope of the project makes it unclear on what the project might actually do in OPNFV. 14:35:46 #info Georg outlines the goal is to look at future needs and opportunities. 14:37:07 #info dneary asks where the limits are for the project, for the TSC to approve an understandable scope. 14:37:48 #info prakash answers that the projects intends to look at networking requirements in a variety of use cases. 14:38:51 if there are future plans that might expand the scope of this "project" lets create a specific project then. I agree with dave neary that we should try to have this absorbed in an existing project 14:40:08 a project needs a clear scope and mission, or we're just added overhead for the organization to manage with no identifiable purpose 14:46:52 #info dneary do you mean to focus the scope to gap analysis between opnfv and openstack neutron and collect requirements for neutron? 14:47:07 #info the TSC feeds back that name change would be helpful to better define the project. 14:47:19 #action georg to propose on the TSC mailng list 14:47:27 Julien-zte, Yes, that is my proposal 14:48:10 #info I miss the final decisions for the network issue. 14:49:06 #info dneary requests that the vote be postponed until the name and scope have been discussed further. 14:49:07 we should keep having project discussions at the END of the TSC meetings as otherwise we have hard time to go through the other important topics. timeboxing did not work so well today. 14:49:23 #topic IETF 95 - Hackfest 14:50:01 GeraldK the TSC MUST be more involved in the community discussions that occur rather than providing feedback on the creation reviews. 14:50:31 ChrisPriceAB, I agree to this. 14:50:43 #info Charles Eckel gives an oveview of IETF and their new focus on code via Hackathons 14:50:48 #info Charles outlines the mission of the IETF to be more involved with OpenSource communities 14:51:27 #info Charles has been running Hack-Fest activities at the IETF to bring developers and standards engineers together 14:51:50 #info Charles invites the OPNFV community to join the Hackathon at IETF in Buenes Aires 14:52:15 #info the hackathon is free for community members to attend. 14:52:22 #info OPNFV is also sponsoring Bit’sNBites at the upcoming IETF 14:54:44 Can we get the links being shown 14:55:01 #link http://www.ietf.org/hackathon/ 14:55:12 ChrisPriceAB, Thanks 14:55:45 for the action point? :D 14:56:08 For the postponement 14:56:15 ChrisPriceAB, In this case, the feedback on the TSC call was given verbatim during the technical review meeting, but the proposal was not revised to take the feedback into account 14:56:44 ChrisPriceAB, That's another issue - what action is expected of project proposers based on tech meeting feedback 14:56:54 #info in addition there will be hackathons at the IETF in Berlin in July 14:58:20 #topic Marketing update - Brandon 14:58:49 #info Brandon outlines there is OPNFV content at the ONS that can be found on the web site 14:59:05 #info the Plugfest site is now available on the web as well including registration 14:59:30 #info CFP for the OPNFV Summit in Berlin is open and urges the community get proposals in for the event. 14:59:48 #link http://www.meetup.com/pro/opnfv/ OPNFV Meetup page 14:59:56 #info there was recently an OPNFV meet-up in Shanghai 15:00:18 #info an account has been made where OPNFV members can create local meet-up's for their community for OPNFV. 15:00:34 #info the meet-up tool is available to all our community members 15:01:19 #info If you have interest or questions in IETF hackathon, contant Charles Eckel eckelcu@cisco.com 15:01:43 Thanks! 15:01:48 #endmeeting