14:01:43 #startmeeting testperf 14:01:43 Meeting started Thu Aug 11 14:01:43 2016 UTC. The chair is dfarrell07. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:43 The meeting name has been set to 'testperf' 14:02:00 Someone needs to start the g2m? 14:02:04 I do 14:02:10 done 14:02:11 cool, just started, thanks morgan_orange :) 14:02:26 #info CPerf (dfarrell07) is chairing today, VSPerf is taking notes 14:02:36 #info Morgan Richomme 14:02:41 #info Mark Beierl 14:02:46 #info kubi 14:02:50 #info Dave Urschatz 14:02:59 #info Jun Li 14:03:45 #info Yujun Zhang (IRC only) 14:05:07 #info Maryam Tahhan 14:05:15 #info dfarrell07 14:06:13 #topic APAC-friendly Meeting Time 14:06:21 #info We did a vote in this meeting (noting sampling bias) and tool a poll over email (to avoid sampling bias) about best time slots 14:06:28 #link http://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2016-August/011902.html Email with link to poll 14:06:32 #link http://doodle.com/poll/fa4nspdf4ta2u7pb Poll about APAC-friendly meeting times 14:06:39 #info Second Wednesday of the month at 0800 UTC is currently winning with 6-yes, 1-if-need-be, 0-no 14:06:51 #info Others should go vote 14:07:05 #info Second Wed. was yesterday, so if we agree we'd start next month 14:08:34 #topic Meeting Minutes 14:08:46 #info In the last month or so started taking minutes via collabot in #opnfv-meetings 14:08:56 #link http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2016/ All #opnfv-meeting minutes in one big dir 14:09:05 #info Up until 7-14-16, we took meeting minutes in #opnfv-testperf, which gave us a dir for all notes 14:09:12 #link http://ircbot.wl.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/opnfv-testperf/2016/ Meeting minutes in dir for #opnfv-testperf chan only 14:09:17 #info This is a problem because all meeting minutes get stored in the same dir and there's not a good way to find testperf ones 14:09:18 #info Al Morton 14:09:22 #info ODL's meetbot breaks minutes up into / dirs, which would make #opnfv-meeting work 14:09:32 #link https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-integration/2016/ 14:09:36 #info dfarrell07 thinks we need a) collabot to start splitting up meetings into dirs based on title 2) start using #opnfv-testperf to org notes 14:09:42 #info We'll need to update meeting wiki 14:10:29 Which project is maintaining the meeting bot? 14:10:46 yujunz: releng 14:11:09 I think it's the Linux Foundation that maintains the collabot 14:11:33 but maybe it is releng 14:11:33 yes Ari and Trevorc, who are attached to releng project 14:11:35 :) 14:11:41 #info this can be proposed to be update by an a-mail to the help-desk 14:11:52 #undo 14:11:57 #info this can be proposed to be update by an e-mail to the help-desk 14:12:00 :D 14:12:21 #info Finding minutes -- hard to do. 14:12:22 #info morgan_orange reports that #opnfv-testperf chan was functest, but they have moved, so we could use it 14:13:07 #info morgan_orange had been linking to minutes from wiki to make finding later possible 14:13:17 #info lots of projects send URLs to minutes in e-mail 14:13:19 #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/meetings/TestPerf 14:14:24 #action dfarrell07 to raise helpdesk ticket about meetbot update to get title dirs 14:15:15 :) 14:15:17 sounds good to me 14:15:26 #agreed for testperf, we'll use #opnfv-testperf channel in future, as well as fix meetbot to give dirs for other projects 14:15:47 sounds good to me 14:15:47 #action dfarrell07 to update the wiki with info about chan 14:15:51 #info only +3 for our title directories 14:17:11 #info TSC moving to election of comitters system (?) and voting system? 14:18:00 #info TSC structure was not well recognizing the meritocracy of the community 14:18:30 #info morgan_orange gives background on TSC elections. There was feedback that there wasn't the merit in elections, so adding way to elect non-platinum members 14:18:43 #info There's a self-nomination phase open currently 14:18:50 #info so, elect some committers to the TSC - nominations in progress for 5 seats. 14:19:20 #info morgan_orange was nominated by fatih (cool) 14:19:26 #info nominations end Friday, Aug 12 14:19:35 #info TestPerf is kinda a big part of OPNFV, so would make sense to have that voice on TSC 14:21:26 #info mbeierl has been attending TSC's, morgan_orange says, and would be good rep 14:21:52 #info Mark's question: Is Morgan on TSC? -- no, just platinum companies 14:22:34 #info morgan_orange clarifies that there's no overlap between commiters, PTLs and TSC members 14:22:41 #undo 14:22:41 Removing item from minutes: 14:22:46 #info morgan_orange clarifies that there's no formal overlap between commiters, PTLs and TSC members 14:23:12 #info morgan_orange was elected as dev rep to Board, which is different than TSC seats 14:23:14 #info Morgan "we need test reps on TSC" -- this is not the same as the OPNFV Board 14:23:28 #chair acm 14:23:28 Current chairs: acm dfarrell07 14:23:56 #info Committer term for TSC is one year 14:24:15 #info mbeierl if morgan_orange wants to be test rep, or if has too much on plate 14:24:55 #info Fatih has been nominated for infra, good connections with TestPerf 14:25:08 #info reps from INFRA, Doctor with good connection to OpenStack (Ryota) 14:25:42 #info mbeierl has been following TSC closely since started in OPNFV last sep. 14:25:43 #info Marck feeld he could be a good rep 14:26:14 #action acm to send email nominating mbeierl for TSC 14:26:20 :) 14:26:23 Thanks acm :) 14:27:02 oh, Al, you're off the hook 14:27:11 acm: check the email from Uli just now :) 14:27:32 is acm != Al? 14:27:46 #info yes Al 14:27:49 acm is Al, 14:27:51 cool 14:28:31 I was just using his real name in a moment of forgetfulness ... 14:28:47 #info I see Uli's mail, I'll reply mentioning our discussion here today. 14:28:48 #info Discussion about which tests are run for scenarios, that scenario owner may only run tests that pass/are easy, that TestPerf may want to mandate some tests are run 14:29:13 #undo 14:29:13 Removing item from minutes: 14:29:26 #topic Tests against Scenarios 14:29:28 #info Discussion about which tests are run for scenarios, that scenario owner may only run tests that pass/are easy, that TestPerf may want to mandate some tests are run 14:29:55 #info Some func projects have very light test coverage, installers can't manage all 14:30:12 #info Many more scenarios in C, so more important 14:30:47 #info acm asks if there is evidence people are trying to make tests easier in context of some scenarios 14:30:55 #info acm thinks could be good to have core set of tests all should pass 14:31:15 #info acm thinks we don't need to address too badly until we know it's a problem, people are trying to avoid failing tests 14:31:45 I'm on irc 14:31:59 only can hear you 14:32:15 #info morgan_orange thinks there should be a min set of tests compatible with scenario, asks yardstick/kubi002 about input 14:32:57 yardstick could provide smoke test cases 14:33:06 #info Morgan's recommendation: minimum tests are the same set as Brahmaputra 14:33:23 #info kubi002 points out that yardstick has smoke tests that could be used 14:34:15 #info having a min set, like smoke tests from functest and yardstick, would give lots of confidence 14:34:31 #info another recommendation would be pass both of those smoketest suites 14:35:08 #info Mark B. - we discussed categories of tests about a montho ago, why not use that? 14:35:20 #info mbeierl asks about categories/levels of tests we discussed in past, having some low level be min 14:35:34 #info dfarrell07 wonders if there's a diff b/t smoketests and these levels of tests 14:35:42 #info Morgan still need the functests and smoke tests 14:35:51 #info projects can add smoke tests if they have feature-focused ones 14:36:01 #info can run all relevant smoketests 14:36:48 #info Each test project should define different levels of testing - include in teh scenario (or not) (MR) 14:36:59 #info Recommendation is for projects to define smoke tests, and all relevant smoke tests run for compatible scenarios 14:37:20 #info Mark B connection to certification and dovetail? Morgan: next we we have an update 14:37:23 #info OPNFV Cert discussion is relevant, will tie this in next week 14:38:54 #topic Docs 14:39:06 #info ... not clear what will be the final view of testing for Colorado (morgan) 14:39:26 #info morgan_orange points out there's a mail asking us to do combined docs for TestPerf group 14:39:43 #info we're close to the docs deadline, so if we want docs that ref all test projects we need this ASAP 14:40:32 #action morgan_orange to contact Sophia about which docs we need, any updates for TestPerf docs 14:40:38 #info Morgan: e-amil form Sofia - do we need to creat documentation for the testperf?? no further input 14:41:45 #topic APAC Poll Results 14:42:41 #agree New APAC meeting will be at 800 UTC first Wed of every month 14:43:30 #info Will run this as experiment, but if no one shows up we'll reevaluate 14:43:50 #info Morgan: this time was tried, and not very successful 14:43:53 #info This will be best for EU and APAC people, maybe want one later for APAC and US 14:44:09 #info taking good minutes for this call is important, to allow async people to follow 14:44:11 It's second Wednesday if I remember it correctly 14:44:29 #agreed Actually second Wed, not first, sorry 14:44:54 #action dfarrell07 to update wiki with APAC meeting 14:45:29 #info Functest is chair next week, with Bottleknecks taking notes 14:45:36 #endmeeting