13:01:29 <bh526r> #startmeeting Weekly Technical Discussion
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13:01:38 <bh526r> #topic Roll Call
13:01:44 <bh526r> #info Bin Hu
13:01:46 <rpaik> #info Ray Paik
13:01:49 <fdegir> #info Fatih Degirmenci
13:01:54 <cgoncalves> #info Carlos Goncalves
13:02:20 <r-mibu> #info Ryota Mibu
13:02:24 <jmorgan1> #info Jack Morgan
13:02:56 <fdegir> https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/12390139/OPNFV_ReleaseModelProposal_20170921.pdf?api=v2
13:03:43 <bh526r> #topic Continue discussion of XCI by Fatih
13:04:05 <bh526r> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/12390139/OPNFV_ReleaseModelProposal_20170921.pdf?api=v2
13:04:43 <randyl> #info Randy Levensalor
13:05:01 <radez> #info radez
13:05:07 <GeraldK> #info GeraldK
13:06:23 <bh526r> #info Fatih summarized what we discussed 2 weeks ago
13:07:11 <bh526r> #info Fatih showed us the proposal of stable track v.s. latest track, and the sequence of miletsones
13:08:00 <bh526r> #info Fatih indicated that there is not much different between 2 tracks in terms of official OPNFV release
13:09:44 <bh526r> #info But latest track not only gives the benefit to projects, but also to users
13:10:01 <bh526r> #info Prakash asked what about scenarios
13:10:54 <bh526r> #info Fatih said that the scenarios will be brought to latest track in a simpler way
13:15:46 <bh526r> #info Fatih talked about why we need a new track
13:16:21 <bh526r> #info This is because (1) minimized impact to current development and release model
13:17:02 <bh526r> (2) Projects have choice and it is possible for them to try a new track
13:23:24 <bh526r> #info Fatih indicated that some initial resources are needed, including developer resources and hardware resources
13:24:29 <bh526r> #info The real benefit is not to reduce resource need, but to use the resources more properly
13:24:53 <bh526r> #info more extensive testing
13:28:48 <bh526r> #info David asked if feedback from test teams, Fatih said it is scheduled to talk with test teams on next Thursday
13:32:08 <bh526r> #info Fatih explained how to handle milestones in latest track, ie. milestones are built into this model and no longer needed explicitly
13:33:58 <bh526r> #info Fatih also explained how test projects can benefit from XCI, e.g. test can be against proven version of latest track, and/or use proven version of test framework/test cases
13:36:45 <bh526r> #info Ray asked when this will be kicked off. Does project need to declare to use stable track or latest track?
13:38:19 <bh526r> #info David clarified that Ray meant new projects. To some point, projects need to have a way to declare to participate in stable track or latest track
13:40:20 <bh526r> #info It doesn't seem an ideal way applicable to all projects. It depends on individual project itself, and upstream components
13:41:48 <bh526r> #info Randy has experimented SNAPS using latest track method
13:42:54 <bh526r> #info Randy shared his experience of benefit, and his team really liked it
13:45:16 <bh526r> #info Prakash asked Dovetail, and Fatih said open to test teams
13:45:55 <bh526r> #info Fatih also indicated to keep the bar at proper level, not too high and not too low
13:47:24 <bh526r> #info it will be discussed with test group next week
13:48:12 <bh526r> #info Fatih showed the plan, i.e. to ask TSC approval on Oct 10 and kick off experiment on Oct 10
13:53:44 <bh526r> #info Group agreed that XCI is the right way to go, and benefit to OPNFV community by bring it to TSC for approval. So group agreed to the plan that Fatih presented.
13:54:23 <bh526r> #info Fatih will have another discussion with test teams, and will come back with the revised version, which will be the version to TSC, in a couple of weeks
13:54:54 <bh526r> #topic Graduation Review of Doctor Project
13:55:34 <bh526r> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/PROJ/Weekly+Technical+Discussion?preview=/2925877/12391214/OPNFV%20Doctor%20graduation%20proposal.pdf
14:00:24 <bh526r> #info Ryota introduced the graduation request
14:00:44 <bh526r> #info Ray said that he would give some comments in email, but one comment is what is the future plan
14:04:31 <bh526r> #info We will continue the discussion on mailing list, and hopefully to bring it to TSC directly
14:04:37 <bh526r> #info meeting adjourned
14:04:41 <bh526r> #endmeeting