12:58:17 <bh526r> #startmeeting Weekly Technical Discussion
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12:58:26 <bh526r> #topic Roll Call
12:58:32 <bh526r> #info Bin Hu
12:59:01 <bh526r> #info Parker Berberian
12:59:20 <bh526r> #info Sawyer Bergeron
12:59:44 <fdegir> #info Fatih Degirmenci
12:59:48 <bh526r> #info David McBride
13:00:02 <jmorgan1> #info Jack Morgan
13:01:50 <bh526r> #info Manuel Buil
13:02:46 <mbuil> are you guys talking? I can't hear anything
13:03:32 <fdegir> mbuil: not yet
13:04:49 <bh526r> #info Greg Oberfield
13:05:51 <trevor_intel> #info Trevor Cooper
13:05:51 <bh526r> #info Trevor Cooper
13:06:07 <fdegir> https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/37683335/OPNFV_XCI_ProjectProposal.pdf?api=v2
13:06:34 <bh526r> #topic XCI Project Proposal
13:06:50 <bh526r> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/37683335/OPNFV_XCI_ProjectProposal.pdf?api=v2
13:07:04 <bh526r> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/PROJ/XCI
13:07:33 <bh526r> #info Prakash Ramchandran
13:08:00 <bh526r> #info Daniel Balsiger
13:08:14 <bh526r> #info Mark Shostak
13:15:02 <bh526r> #info Bin Yang
13:17:04 <bh526r> #info Mark asked that there are lots of confusion about the name. Mark suggested to change the name to distinguish the original CI framework from the new work in the proposal
13:20:49 <bh526r> #info Mark asked if there is any specific scope, because what is specified there is quite scope and vague
13:21:04 <bh526r> #info Is there anything specific?
13:21:41 <bh526r> #info Fatih mentioned CI/CD
13:22:30 <bh526r> #info Fatih clarified the toolchain means the specific installer, e.g. Bifrost, Ansible, Kubespray etc.
13:23:38 <bh526r> #info Trevor mentioned that XCI means facilitating CI/CD in the past, but now the scope has changed, and including CNTT, and not sure what is the objective
13:24:21 <bh526r> #info Another is FuncTest, the history is that it is competing. Has this been resolved?
13:24:54 <bh526r> #info Fatih said the key here is the lack of support from OPNFV community
13:25:44 <bh526r> #info Bring CI/CD methodology, and bring upstream components
13:26:14 <bh526r> #info Installer projects didn't support XCI at that time
13:26:42 <bh526r> #info Because of lack of support, we brought toolchain
13:26:57 <bh526r> #info This caused confusion of expanded scope
13:28:11 <bh526r> #info Fatih said there is no competition with FuncTest
13:28:44 <bh526r> #info Mark said Xtesting v.s. XCI
13:29:05 <bh526r> #info Fatih said Xtesting name was after XCI
13:30:03 <bh526r> #info Mark thinks we need to differentiate those 2 - CI/CD and installer/toolchain
13:32:06 <bh526r> #info Marked if those 13 committers are from legacy XCI or new people?
13:32:20 <bh526r> #info Fatih said only 3 are from legacy XCI
13:37:38 <bh526r> #info Fatih finally said XCI is an installer project, an integration project and a CI/CD project
13:38:04 <bh526r> #info Prakash asked what happened to Releng?
13:38:45 <bh526r> #info Fatih said there is still a Releng. XCI is not doing CI/CD toolchain, but methodology
13:41:32 <bh526r> #info Bin asked what was the reason that XCI lack of support from OPNFV community?
13:41:56 <bh526r> #info Fatih said there might be other installers and competing priorities
13:42:40 <bh526r> #info business relevancy, upstream support and competing priorities
13:56:25 <jmorgan1> #link LFN TAC recommendation - https://wiki.lfnetworking.org/display/LN/Infrastructure+Working+Group+Summary+Report
14:01:19 <bh526r> #info Bin suggested 3 things:
14:02:10 <bh526r> #info (1) Communicate with FuncTest and get their feedback, because FuncTest is a critical dependency of XCI proposal as it states today
14:05:40 <bh526r> #info (2) Separate installer part from CI/CD part. make a separate proposal of Ansible/Kubespray/Bifrost installer so that it will satisfy vendor's business as well as some operator's needs. This is because operators will have different needs and we need to meet them with variety of installers and technologies, and vendors also need to differentiate their business
14:06:39 <bh526r> #info (3) Consolidate the effort of CI/CD into the experimentation that OPNFV is initiating based on TAC's recommendation, which OPNFV TSC agreed to and started to experiment
14:07:43 <bh526r> #info Mark further suggested to have CNTT's input to this XCI proposal, and all agreed
14:08:19 <bh526r> #info Bin and Mark will work out how to make CNTT's input, and when/where to discuss etc. The goal is to make it happen as soon as we can
14:08:33 <bh526r> #topic AOB
14:09:13 <bh526r> #info Next week, we will discuss the rest of 2 project proposals, LaaS and Airship installer. All agreed
14:10:29 <bh526r> #info Then whenever it is ready, we will discuss revised XCI proposal, if Fatih is willing to make revision based on suggestion, as well as CNTT's input. Time/Day TBD
14:11:39 <bh526r> #endmeeting