13:00:16 <mbeierl> #startmeeting OPNFV TSC Meeting 2019-10-08 13:00:16 <collabot_> Meeting started Tue Oct 8 13:00:16 2019 UTC. The chair is mbeierl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:00:16 <collabot_> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:00:16 <collabot_> The meeting name has been set to 'opnfv_tsc_meeting_2019_10_08' 13:00:22 <mbeierl> #chair bh526r 13:00:22 <collabot_> Current chairs: bh526r mbeierl 13:01:21 <mbeierl> #topic Roll Call 13:01:33 <bh526r> #info Bin Hu 13:02:14 <trevor_intel> #info Trevor Cooper 13:02:32 <mbuil> #info Manuel Buil 13:02:38 <georgk> #info Georg Kunz (IRC only) 13:03:25 <bh526r> #info Mark Beierl 13:03:41 <mbeierl> Thanks Bin, I guess I forgot to info myself! 13:03:54 <bh526r> :) 13:05:15 <pkaralis> #info Panagiotis Karalis (IRC only) 13:06:13 <bh526r> #info Frank Brockners 13:06:20 <mbeierl> For those who are IRC only, I will be acting as the minute taker. Let me know if I need to clarify anything as we move along 13:06:40 <mbeierl> #topic Antitrust Policy Notice 13:06:53 <mbeierl> #info Jim presented the policy 13:07:01 <mbeierl> #topic Approval of previous minutes 13:07:39 <bh526r> #info Cedric Ollivier 13:07:51 <mbeierl> #link http://meetbot.opnfv.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2019/opnfv-meeting.2019-10-01-13.04.html 13:08:04 <mbeierl> #info any comments on the previous meeting minutes? 13:08:12 <mbeierl> #info Minutes are approved 13:08:14 <frankbrockners> #info Frank Brockners 13:08:27 <mbeierl> #topic Agenda Bashing 13:08:46 <mbeierl> #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/meetings/TSC#TSC-October8,2019 13:09:31 <mbeierl> #info Bin reads out the proposed agenda from the link above 13:09:41 <mbeierl> #info no chair report today 13:10:09 <mbeierl> #info if anyone on IRC wants to add to agenda, please let me know 13:11:43 <mbeierl> #info mbeierl would like to discuss the recording of zoom meetings 13:13:23 <mbeierl> #info Cedric mentions there is also an email thread on IRC only 13:13:45 <mbeierl> #info discussion - if Zoom recording does not pass, and IRC only does not pass, then we would keep status quo 13:15:58 <mbeierl> #info mbeierl suggests that the recording of audio/video or IRC only should serve the community to provide more transparency to the discussions 13:16:11 <mbeierl> #info that is why the two proposals are being tied together 13:16:16 <mbeierl> #info agenda is approved 13:16:26 <mbeierl> #topic Python 3 status 13:17:19 <mbeierl> #info Cedric checked, there are 2/3 projects that are missing python 3 support 13:17:43 <mbeierl> #info tempest is in Python 2 13:18:32 <mbeierl> #info Cedric believes there should be no impact to OPNFV committing to Python 3 completely 13:18:56 <mbeierl> #info Cedric will double check with OSLO and Swift to confirm 13:19:24 <mbeierl> #info Cedric confirms Jan 1 2020 is EOL for Python 2 and it is clear to all that this is a hard date 13:20:56 <mbeierl> #info ollivier suggests we can also run the python2 checker to ensure we are completely moved over 13:21:29 <mbeierl> #info ollivier says even Linux find command can be used to search 13:22:05 <mbeierl> #info ollivier also states a heavy approach could be to remove python2 from the build infrastructure 13:22:22 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride asks ollivier to send an email with the search methods 13:22:37 <mbeierl> #action ollivier will send out email about how to check for python2 13:22:50 <mbeierl> #topic Next DDF/Plugfest update 13:23:09 <mbeierl> #info Jim states there are different locations being investigated 13:23:18 <mbeierl> #info Decision should come this week 13:23:32 <mbeierl> #info sites are Warsaw, Prague, Budapest and Singapore 13:23:46 <mbeierl> #info Board embraced the idea of LF sponsored events 13:24:15 <mbeierl> #info shift will allow us to set dates in advance 13:24:58 <mbeierl> #info Panama did not receive quorum for decision, so the opportunity is gone 13:25:02 <mbeierl> #topic Role, Responsibility and Expectation of LFN Infra Support for Issues in Community Labs 13:25:43 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: As CNTT activities are ramping up, we want to use our community labs 13:26:07 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: as new members are starting to use resources, this is becoming more important 13:26:24 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: we used to have infra working group and pharos, which are no longer operating 13:26:51 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: an example - issues in Intel lab have been going around between LF helpdesk and others, with no owner 13:27:14 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: where do users go for support - JIRA, mailing list, helpdesk email 13:27:29 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: this is going to get worse as CNTT ramps up 13:28:25 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: as Jack Morgan no longer works for Intel, and he was one of the primary resources, the remaining resources are not in a position to provide that level of support 13:28:55 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: we seem to have lost some visibility into the community labs, and we should try to revitalize the infra community 13:29:32 <mbeierl> #info Jim: labs are critical to success, Mark Cotrell suggest federating labs 13:30:13 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: 1) have a clear understanding of communication mechanisms, requesting support, 13:30:32 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: 2) what level of support can LFN support provide for community labs 13:31:04 <mbeierl> #info ollivier: question - how can the community help with the infra support 13:32:10 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: have someone step up to lead the infra working group / combined pharos+infra with regular calls and work through the issues and make recommendations 13:32:29 <mbeierl> #info Jim: we are defining the problem space 13:32:47 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: agrees, but how do we go about tackling this 13:33:01 <mbeierl> #info bh526r: start email thread and discuss in weekly tech call 13:33:14 <mbeierl> #info ollivier: maybe question for community role should be asked at TAC level 13:33:43 <mbeierl> #info Mike Fix: Heather volunteered to look into health of labs 13:34:04 <mbeierl> #info Mike Fix will cycle back with her to where that is at 13:34:35 <mbeierl> #info bh526r: comments status of labs is unknown (there are 18 or more of them) 13:35:05 <mbeierl> #info ollivier: there are a few Jenkins slave that are down, which is an indication that the community lab is also down 13:35:55 <mbeierl> #info Mike Fix: clarifies his action is to follow up with Heather to see if she is still available to volunteer 13:36:08 <mbeierl> #info Jim Baker: can we have a TSC volunteer to drive this 13:36:39 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: suggests we follow bh526r's suggestion of email and weekly tech call follow up to find leader 13:37:24 <mbeierl> #info bh526r suggests two actions: 1) Mike to follow up with Heather, 2) discuss in Monday weekly tech calls 13:38:16 <mbeierl> #info any other comments? 13:38:21 <mbeierl> #topic SPC Update 13:38:51 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: SPC is working on asks from Board after the strategy presentation in Antwerp 13:39:26 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: board requested info on end user input and KPIs and metrics relating to the objectives 13:39:57 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: SPC is getting input from EUAG. Vodafone is chair and is providing info 13:40:06 <mbeierl> #info any questions? 13:40:20 <mbeierl> #topic CNTT in OPNFV Update 13:40:47 <bh526r> #info Qiao Fu 13:41:26 <mbeierl> #info Mike: coming out of Antwerp, we aligned on needing to secure a lab, extract requirements from RI, and define installer requirements 13:41:30 <bh526r> #info Al Morton 13:41:39 <mbeierl> #info Mike: we are going to work through the next steps to get RA deployed 13:41:57 <mbeierl> #info Mike: working with trevor_intel on securing a lab 13:42:11 <mbeierl> #info any questions? 13:43:07 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: re CNTT-RI project, do we have regular meetings? 13:43:26 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: are we waiting for definition from CNTT? 13:43:37 <mbeierl> #info Mike: plan is to start weekly meetings next week 13:43:59 <mbeierl> #info Mike: the RA is available in terms of requirements, now to translate that to an installer and test project 13:45:12 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: what is confusing to trevor_intel is the structure: we have reference implementation, we are going from available requirements, now we have CNTT RI in OPNFV, then what is the work of the RI within the CNTT? As opposed to CNTT-RI in OPNFV? 13:46:02 <mbeierl> #info Ravi?: CNTT is temporary, so OPNFV CNTT-RI is a mirror of the workstream RI in CNTT, so when CNTT disappears, CNTT-RI lives on 13:46:10 <mbeierl> #undo 13:46:10 <collabot_> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x23232d0> 13:46:21 <mbeierl> #info Rabi: CNTT is temporary, so OPNFV CNTT-RI is a mirror of the workstream RI in CNTT, so when CNTT disappears, CNTT-RI lives on 13:46:38 <mbeierl> #info trevor_intel: will there be CNTT RI meetings as well as OPNFV CNTT-RI meetings? 13:46:42 <mbeierl> #info Rabi: No 13:47:03 <mbeierl> #info JIm: CNTT-RI is the implementation of the CNTT task force 13:47:27 <mbeierl> #info Mike: this was started in OPNFV with the purpose of OPNFV being the delivery vehicle 13:48:18 <mbeierl> #info Rabi: work was started in GSMA to create a reference model, so the same thing is expected from OPNFV: CNTT does the definition, OPNFV implements it and the RI lives on there 13:48:51 <mbeierl> #info Jonathan Beltran: resources come from CNTT, and continue collaboratively under the umbrella of OPNFV 13:49:22 <mbeierl> #info Al Morton: Mike, can we do a doodle poll for the time slot of CNTT-RI weekly meeting? 13:49:28 <mbeierl> #info Mike agrees 13:49:56 <mbeierl> #info Mike: would love ideas on CNTT as a group - rotating schedule to accommodate international hours 13:50:10 <mbeierl> #undo 13:50:10 <collabot_> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x1c89810> 13:50:28 <mbeierl> #info Jonathan: would love ideas on CNTT as a group - rotating schedule to accommodate international hours 13:51:12 <mbeierl> #info Al: confirms it can be successful, and has not been successful on other projects, but hopes it will work for CNTT-RI to have rotating times 13:51:38 <mbeierl> #info Jim: asks about 10 concurrent RI - is our toolchain ready to handle that? 13:51:53 <mbeierl> #info Jim: ask if there is anyone who wants to engage on this project? 13:52:18 <mbeierl> #info Jim: we have contracting resources, but need clear deliverable and objectives 13:52:24 <mbeierl> #info Jim: is anyone interested? 13:52:30 <mbeierl> #info Jim received no reply 13:52:32 <mbeierl> #topic Iruya Release Update 13:52:45 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: has been out for a few weeks 13:52:56 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: Milestone 1 was September 30 13:53:06 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: as of that date, 14 projects expressed intent 13:53:12 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride:part of MS1 is release plan 13:53:36 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride:we have 50% compliance with release plans, and is following up with the PTLs 13:53:42 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride:MS2 is OpenStack integration 13:53:58 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: reminder this is a compressed schedule, dates are coming up fast 13:54:23 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: MS2 is mainly for installers, which is only FUEL and Airship 13:54:26 <mbeierl> #info any questions? 13:55:11 <mbeierl> #info ollivier: reminds that email about releng participating in the release, would like clarification 13:55:33 <mbeierl> #info bramwelt: releng is participating due to releng-xci 13:55:52 <mbeierl> #info bramwelt: releng participates due to historical support 13:56:14 <mbeierl> #info: ollivier should clarify releng vs releng-xci 13:56:39 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: suggests breaking projects out into projects types, including support projects like releng and opnfvdocs 13:57:08 <mbeierl> #info dmcbride: once we move to the new process, we should have more clarification 13:57:20 <mbeierl> #topic LF IT/Infra update 13:57:25 <mbeierl> #info no update 13:59:17 <mbeierl> #Topic IRC and Zoom recording 13:59:27 <ollivier> #link https://lists.opnfv.org/g/opnfv-tsc/topic/32967803#5484 14:00:53 <mbeierl> #info mbeierl questions - is this a TSC decision, a community decision, or should we just ask the LFN to decide for us? 14:01:53 <ollivier> #link https://lists.opnfv.org/g/opnfv-tsc/message/5492 14:02:10 <mbeierl> #info: it's not time to vote as we need to know what the community wants 14:02:31 <mbeierl> #info Jim: let's start an actual poll 14:02:38 <mbeierl> #info: will discuss next week 14:02:47 <mbeierl> #action mbeierl to send email and start poll 14:05:21 <mbeierl> #info we are past the hour 14:07:14 <mbeierl> #info any further questions, comments from IRC? 14:07:26 <mbeierl> #info ending meeting in 3, 2, 1.... 14:07:33 <mbeierl> #endmeeting